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baldguy

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41. For principles to of any value you have to understand the **REASON** they exist.

Fri Jun 24, 2016, 08:39 PM

Jun 2016

If you follow the letter of the law it's just another form of authoritarianism.

The Founders told us what they intended for the Constitution - to form a more perfect Union, establish Justice, insure domestic Tranquility, provide for the common defense, promote the general Welfare, and secure the Blessings of Liberty to themselves and their descendants.

The Second Amendment - which you worship above all else - does none of those things. It has instead become antithetical to them in every way.

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The party that takes away your rights is concerned about you losing your right to guns... [View all] liberal N proud Jun 2016 OP

Guns are the tools of our oppression & subjugation. baldguy Jun 2016 #1

The same is true of the party which traditionally defended pipoman Jun 2016 #2

And what rights would that be? liberal N proud Jun 2016 #3

The right to due process. hack89 Jun 2016 #4

As far as I know, we still have due process liberal N proud Jun 2016 #5

In the context of the terror watch lists and the ability to buy guns hack89 Jun 2016 #6

Does the no fly list bother you, did it bother you before guns were mentioned? XRubicon Jun 2016 #21

Just like you, I was appalled at the Patriot Act hack89 Jun 2016 #25

So the no fly list needs to go too right? XRubicon Jun 2016 #26

Only if we can't fix it. nt hack89 Jun 2016 #29

It is beyond fixing sarisataka Jun 2016 #31

It bothered me then. It bothers me now, that it has expanded as predicted. Eleanors38 Jun 2016 #56

The new RW talking point is that sensible & rational gun laws take away "due process" baldguy Jun 2016 #7

Since a vast majority of those deaths are suicides, what role would due process play? aikoaiko Jun 2016 #8

As if suicides are less dead than the others... baldguy Jun 2016 #9

No they are not less dead. Do you know what due process is? Is that why you can't answer? aikoaiko Jun 2016 #10

Do you understand that it has nothing to do with due process? baldguy Jun 2016 #11

I never knew sarisataka Jun 2016 #12

The ACLU certainly isn't liberal or progressive in any stretch of the imagination. baldguy Jun 2016 #13

Oh that nasty freedom of speech sarisataka Jun 2016 #32

You mean people who actually have principles, and stick by them? You should learn something from em. X_Digger Jun 2016 #35

People who put their "principles" ahead of people's lives. baldguy Jun 2016 #39

Yeah, you would put "principles" in quotes, wouldn't you? X_Digger Jun 2016 #40

For principles to of any value you have to understand the **REASON** they exist. baldguy Jun 2016 #41

Yes, Mr. Orwell, Principles = Authoritarianism. X_Digger Jun 2016 #42

From someone who thinks the country's founders would condone mass murder as a civil right baldguy Jun 2016 #43

Oh look, you know how to stuff a straw man. Or did you buy it pre-stuffed? X_Digger Jun 2016 #45

You still can't recognize the Constitution when you see it. baldguy Jun 2016 #46

Like the right of free speech? Do I need to quote you above? X_Digger Jun 2016 #48

Your "principles" allow people to be killed unnessesarily. baldguy Jun 2016 #53

Again with the quotes? We get it, you don't have any principles of your own. X_Digger Jun 2016 #55

The "principles" you so judicially champion aren't principles at all. baldguy Jun 2016 #58

Nice red herring. We get it, there is no principle you won't throw away. X_Digger Jun 2016 #59

30,000+ gun deaths in America every year, and we're not supposed to be emotional? baldguy Jun 2016 #60

How do you think we got the patriot act in the first place? Fucking duh. X_Digger Jun 2016 #61

We got the Patriot Act by giving into unthinking, irrational fear, baldguy Jun 2016 #62

Emotional twaddle without principle led to the Patriot act. X_Digger Jun 2016 #63

A truly principled person would see innocents slaughtered & do everything they can to stop it. baldguy Jun 2016 #64

I see knee-jerk legislation (Patriot Act) as emotional twaddle. Your kind of thinking, dear. X_Digger Jun 2016 #65

You see human compassion and empathy as "emotional twaddle" baldguy Jun 2016 #66

Keep your fingers out of my mouth- my words come out just fine. X_Digger Jun 2016 #67

You object to having the ugly truth of your words exposed. baldguy Jun 2016 #68

No, it's called a straw man-- you're arguing with things you wish I'd said. X_Digger Jun 2016 #69

Is it any less fascist to push secret watch lists and the denial of due process? Marengo Jun 2016 #14

Fascism is subjecting people to physical harm & death as a way of inducing fear. baldguy Jun 2016 #15

It's also a fascist tactic to deprive people of legal rights, but I think you are okay with that. Marengo Jun 2016 #16

What legal rights? To be able to kill as many human beings as you can as quickly as possible? baldguy Jun 2016 #17

Is this some sort of performance routine? Due process, if you haven't been keeping up, Marengo Jun 2016 #18

The issue is guns. Weapons of mass murder - in the hands of demonstrably irresponsible people. baldguy Jun 2016 #24

So, you will be out protesting the no fly list? XRubicon Jun 2016 #23

Are you supporting the no fly list and the denial of due process? Marengo Jun 2016 #50

Jeezuz...really? LOL pipoman Jun 2016 #47

You're right. The NRA and the gun nuts that support their goals are fascist terrorists. baldguy Jun 2016 #52

Why are you concerned about due process now? the no fly list has been around for years. XRubicon Jun 2016 #22

The better question is why after sarisataka Jun 2016 #27

Sorry... no. XRubicon Jun 2016 #28

No what? sarisataka Jun 2016 #30

I don't see you in any of those posts XRubicon Jun 2016 #33

I will await your apology sarisataka Jun 2016 #34

Sorry. XRubicon Jun 2016 #36

Whether you believe me or not sarisataka Jun 2016 #38

Many suicides are by overdoses. JonathanRackham Jun 2016 #51

Yes, let's treat guns more like prescription drugs! baldguy Jun 2016 #54

Thank you for self identifying. XRubicon Jun 2016 #20

LOL pipoman Jun 2016 #44

LOL @ U XRubicon Jun 2016 #49

Amen to that! Initech Jun 2016 #19

... ailsagirl Jun 2016 #37

Glad no Democrats support the Terror Watch List's end-around of the 5th. Eleanors38 Jun 2016 #57