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runaway hero

(835 posts) Mon Jun 27, 2016, 02:28 PM Jun 2016

Is immigration a right or a privilege? And is illegal immigration a nuisance or a crime? [View all]

Some people on this board attribute brexit to xenophobia and racism 100 percent. Progressives generally support immigration as a principle, but has left the working class behind. So my questions are:

1) Is immigration a right or a privilege?

2) Illegal immigration, nuisance or crime?

Thanks.

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Is immigration a right or a privilege? And is illegal immigration a nuisance or a crime? [View all] runaway hero Jun 2016 OP

The US has immigration laws. Either enforce them or change them. Both parties allow for exploitation skidoo Jun 2016 #1

Post removed Post removed Jun 2016 #76

Asylum is a binding human right by UN Treaty. Free Movement of persons is a human right under the leveymg Jun 2016 #2

Immigration is a social construct. ZombieHorde Jun 2016 #3

Paperwork... and wars. n/t lumberjack_jeff Jun 2016 #10

My paperwork is superior to your paperwork, so now you die! ZombieHorde Jun 2016 #49

You are in good company. Tamerlane, for example. AngryAmish Jun 2016 #32

Message auto-removed Name removed Jun 2016 #42

Social construct? Yep. Mere papaerwork.... Nope. Adrahil Jun 2016 #54

What are some deeply held American beliefs? ZombieHorde Jun 2016 #84

Jeebus man, there are BOOKS written on the subject. Adrahil Jun 2016 #85

We have some shared expectations, such as tipping, ZombieHorde Jun 2016 #86

Civilization is a social construct Bonx Jun 2016 #71

If we ever discover life on other planets will it be its 'people' be restricted to limited areas on pampango Jun 2016 #4

We've seen that before jberryhill Jun 2016 #11

LOL! pinboy3niner Jun 2016 #20

Makes perfect sense though jberryhill Jun 2016 #26

Non-asylum immigration is a privilege SickOfTheOnePct Jun 2016 #5

1. Privilege leftynyc Jun 2016 #6

B and C, respectively. n/t lumberjack_jeff Jun 2016 #7

privilege and crime NashuaDW Jun 2016 #8

+1. lumberjack_jeff Jun 2016 #12

But, wht are there countries in the first? It's all just made up stuff. pangaia Jun 2016 #53

The free movement of people is a fundamental human right... Odin2005 Jun 2016 #9

Except you left part of it out SickOfTheOnePct Jun 2016 #21

Why should any human be prevented from living wherever they want? JoePhilly Jun 2016 #13

Why use this argument for illegal immigration and not others. runaway hero Jun 2016 #15

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1 Privilege and 2 Crime. ileus Jun 2016 #14

Well, in the EU, immigration is a right. So your second question is moot as far as Brexit. Starry Messenger Jun 2016 #16

But the UK has left. runaway hero Jun 2016 #17

That makes no sense. All the people there on the EU program before the vote were there legally. Starry Messenger Jun 2016 #18

Thread was a general question runaway hero Jun 2016 #22

It depends on the context. Starry Messenger Jun 2016 #24

Voted to leave, hasn't left and may not do so. Spider Jerusalem Jun 2016 #19

Good Point runaway hero Jun 2016 #23

The UK has not left and it may never do so Major Nikon Jun 2016 #25

Illegal immigration = Media Generated Hooey tenderfoot Jun 2016 #27

If you cross the border illegally what should we call it? runaway hero Jun 2016 #28

Paranoia. Much Ado About Nothing. BFD. - to name a few. tenderfoot Jun 2016 #30

Discovering America. okasha Jun 2016 #31

Walking. LanternWaste Jun 2016 #55

What, no long screed? runaway hero Jun 2016 #60

You ask the wrong question fasttense Jun 2016 #29

I'm all about severely punishing the employers SickOfTheOnePct Jun 2016 #34

These are the wrong questions to ask!! cheyanne Jun 2016 #33

Rich nations did not "allow" the rest of the world to slide into poverty. branford Jun 2016 #70

Traditionally it was a might makes right kind of thing treestar Jun 2016 #35

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Immigration is a privilege, except for asylum seekers meow2u3 Jun 2016 #36

Fossil fuel using humans are a damned invasive species. hunter Jun 2016 #39

Undocumented immigration is a civil violation, not criminal MaggieD Jun 2016 #40

So it's still a crime then runaway hero Jun 2016 #41

No, it's not a crime MaggieD Jun 2016 #43

Then why is Obama sending so many people back. runaway hero Jun 2016 #44

You could read up on it instead of arguing with me MaggieD Jun 2016 #45

I actually have read that just last Friday. runaway hero Jun 2016 #46

So why are you insisting it is criminal? MaggieD Jun 2016 #47

If you are here runaway hero Jun 2016 #48

How did your ancestors get here? treestar Jun 2016 #51

That was 400 years ago runaway hero Jun 2016 #58

How? treestar Jun 2016 #63

So because someone does something bad before, we do it again? runaway hero Jun 2016 #67

It ok so long as you benefit. treestar Jun 2016 #78

That's not the point runaway hero Jun 2016 #79

Do you ever come across any undocumented aliens in your day to day life? treestar Jun 2016 #50

If you come across the border illegally, you're uninvited, right? runaway hero Jun 2016 #59

Great story treestar Jun 2016 #62

He's been in Construction 25 years runaway hero Jun 2016 #66

And all he can do is the basic labor ? treestar Jun 2016 #80

So he should just go back to school eh? runaway hero Jun 2016 #81

Choice lays entirely with management making decisions. Is management squatting? LanternWaste Jun 2016 #69

Euphemism bingo. lumberjack_jeff Jun 2016 #64

Factually no, it's not a crime MaggieD Jun 2016 #65

Illegal Immigration is a crime subject to BOTH criminal and civil penalties RME_SFC Jun 2016 #74

Immigration is a behavior of the species My Good Babushka Jun 2016 #52

People can be territorial too The2ndWheel Jun 2016 #61

"immigrant workers aren't part of the working class" forjusticethunders Jun 2016 #56

No where does it say that runaway hero Jun 2016 #57

"Progressives generally support immigration as a principle, but has left the working class behind." forjusticethunders Jun 2016 #73

and that statement and what you wrote are not the same. runaway hero Jun 2016 #77

As borders are merely imaginary constructs LanternWaste Jun 2016 #68

"immigration" is a legal construct. malthaussen Jun 2016 #72

IMO? 1) = privilege. 2) = nuisance. eom BlueCaliDem Jun 2016 #75

Immigration = privilege, Illegal = crime. romanic Jun 2016 #82

You have the right to leave when you want to; you don't have the right to be accepted anywhere else brooklynite Jun 2016 #83