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fasttense

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29. You ask the wrong question

Mon Jun 27, 2016, 07:17 PM

Jun 2016

It's not is immigration a right, its is getting a full time paying job in a foreign country a right or a privilege?

I think people should be able to move where ever they want but they have no right to have a full time job when they get there. Nor should they have access to social security, unemployment benefits, free medical care, labor laws or free tuition. All these things are paid for and fought for by citizens of a country. If you show up out of nowhere just becuse you have a right to immigrate does not mean you have a right to the same things as a full paying citzen. Maybe you should be able to earn these citizen benefits but that's another subject.

People should go where they need to go but having a full time job should be reserved for paying citizens. This can easily be controlled by severely penalizing illegal employers.

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Is immigration a right or a privilege? And is illegal immigration a nuisance or a crime? [View all] runaway hero Jun 2016 OP

The US has immigration laws. Either enforce them or change them. Both parties allow for exploitation skidoo Jun 2016 #1

Post removed Post removed Jun 2016 #76

Asylum is a binding human right by UN Treaty. Free Movement of persons is a human right under the leveymg Jun 2016 #2

Immigration is a social construct. ZombieHorde Jun 2016 #3

Paperwork... and wars. n/t lumberjack_jeff Jun 2016 #10

My paperwork is superior to your paperwork, so now you die! ZombieHorde Jun 2016 #49

You are in good company. Tamerlane, for example. AngryAmish Jun 2016 #32

Message auto-removed Name removed Jun 2016 #42

Social construct? Yep. Mere papaerwork.... Nope. Adrahil Jun 2016 #54

What are some deeply held American beliefs? ZombieHorde Jun 2016 #84

Jeebus man, there are BOOKS written on the subject. Adrahil Jun 2016 #85

We have some shared expectations, such as tipping, ZombieHorde Jun 2016 #86

Civilization is a social construct Bonx Jun 2016 #71

If we ever discover life on other planets will it be its 'people' be restricted to limited areas on pampango Jun 2016 #4

We've seen that before jberryhill Jun 2016 #11

LOL! pinboy3niner Jun 2016 #20

Makes perfect sense though jberryhill Jun 2016 #26

Non-asylum immigration is a privilege SickOfTheOnePct Jun 2016 #5

1. Privilege leftynyc Jun 2016 #6

B and C, respectively. n/t lumberjack_jeff Jun 2016 #7

privilege and crime NashuaDW Jun 2016 #8

+1. lumberjack_jeff Jun 2016 #12

But, wht are there countries in the first? It's all just made up stuff. pangaia Jun 2016 #53

The free movement of people is a fundamental human right... Odin2005 Jun 2016 #9

Except you left part of it out SickOfTheOnePct Jun 2016 #21

Why should any human be prevented from living wherever they want? JoePhilly Jun 2016 #13

Why use this argument for illegal immigration and not others. runaway hero Jun 2016 #15

Message auto-removed Name removed Jun 2016 #37

1 Privilege and 2 Crime. ileus Jun 2016 #14

Well, in the EU, immigration is a right. So your second question is moot as far as Brexit. Starry Messenger Jun 2016 #16

But the UK has left. runaway hero Jun 2016 #17

That makes no sense. All the people there on the EU program before the vote were there legally. Starry Messenger Jun 2016 #18

Thread was a general question runaway hero Jun 2016 #22

It depends on the context. Starry Messenger Jun 2016 #24

Voted to leave, hasn't left and may not do so. Spider Jerusalem Jun 2016 #19

Good Point runaway hero Jun 2016 #23

The UK has not left and it may never do so Major Nikon Jun 2016 #25

Illegal immigration = Media Generated Hooey tenderfoot Jun 2016 #27

If you cross the border illegally what should we call it? runaway hero Jun 2016 #28

Paranoia. Much Ado About Nothing. BFD. - to name a few. tenderfoot Jun 2016 #30

Discovering America. okasha Jun 2016 #31

Walking. LanternWaste Jun 2016 #55

What, no long screed? runaway hero Jun 2016 #60

You ask the wrong question fasttense Jun 2016 #29

I'm all about severely punishing the employers SickOfTheOnePct Jun 2016 #34

These are the wrong questions to ask!! cheyanne Jun 2016 #33

Rich nations did not "allow" the rest of the world to slide into poverty. branford Jun 2016 #70

Traditionally it was a might makes right kind of thing treestar Jun 2016 #35

Message auto-removed Name removed Jun 2016 #38

Immigration is a privilege, except for asylum seekers meow2u3 Jun 2016 #36

Fossil fuel using humans are a damned invasive species. hunter Jun 2016 #39

Undocumented immigration is a civil violation, not criminal MaggieD Jun 2016 #40

So it's still a crime then runaway hero Jun 2016 #41

No, it's not a crime MaggieD Jun 2016 #43

Then why is Obama sending so many people back. runaway hero Jun 2016 #44

You could read up on it instead of arguing with me MaggieD Jun 2016 #45

I actually have read that just last Friday. runaway hero Jun 2016 #46

So why are you insisting it is criminal? MaggieD Jun 2016 #47

If you are here runaway hero Jun 2016 #48

How did your ancestors get here? treestar Jun 2016 #51

That was 400 years ago runaway hero Jun 2016 #58

How? treestar Jun 2016 #63

So because someone does something bad before, we do it again? runaway hero Jun 2016 #67

It ok so long as you benefit. treestar Jun 2016 #78

That's not the point runaway hero Jun 2016 #79

Do you ever come across any undocumented aliens in your day to day life? treestar Jun 2016 #50

If you come across the border illegally, you're uninvited, right? runaway hero Jun 2016 #59

Great story treestar Jun 2016 #62

He's been in Construction 25 years runaway hero Jun 2016 #66

And all he can do is the basic labor ? treestar Jun 2016 #80

So he should just go back to school eh? runaway hero Jun 2016 #81

Choice lays entirely with management making decisions. Is management squatting? LanternWaste Jun 2016 #69

Euphemism bingo. lumberjack_jeff Jun 2016 #64

Factually no, it's not a crime MaggieD Jun 2016 #65

Illegal Immigration is a crime subject to BOTH criminal and civil penalties RME_SFC Jun 2016 #74

Immigration is a behavior of the species My Good Babushka Jun 2016 #52

People can be territorial too The2ndWheel Jun 2016 #61

"immigrant workers aren't part of the working class" forjusticethunders Jun 2016 #56

No where does it say that runaway hero Jun 2016 #57

"Progressives generally support immigration as a principle, but has left the working class behind." forjusticethunders Jun 2016 #73

and that statement and what you wrote are not the same. runaway hero Jun 2016 #77

As borders are merely imaginary constructs LanternWaste Jun 2016 #68

"immigration" is a legal construct. malthaussen Jun 2016 #72

IMO? 1) = privilege. 2) = nuisance. eom BlueCaliDem Jun 2016 #75

Immigration = privilege, Illegal = crime. romanic Jun 2016 #82

You have the right to leave when you want to; you don't have the right to be accepted anywhere else brooklynite Jun 2016 #83