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Her Sister

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Sat Jul 2, 2016, 09:18 AM Jul 2016

Concern troll pretends to support but uses "concern" to hurt morale (GD) [View all]

Concern Troll is concerned:
In an argument (usually a political debate), a concern troll is someone who is on one side of the discussion, but pretends to be a supporter of the other side with "concerns". The idea behind this is that your opponents will take your arguments more seriously if they think you're an ally.

A concern troll will pretend to care (about the opponent's health, well being, political activism, lifestyle, choices, etc.) while in reality, he or she only wants to cause self doubt and fear. A concern troll tries to undermine that which he or she pretends to support.


http://concerntroll.tumblr.com/
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What Is Concern Trolling? Watch Out For This Subtle Form Of Shaming
Urban Dictionary defines a concern troll as "someone who is on one side of the discussion, but pretends to be a supporter of the other side with 'concerns.'" In other words, it's someone who pretends to support you but couches their disagreements in the form of "concerns," which allows them to justify criticism as the result of worrying about you. "I'm on your side," they say, "but you shouldn't do X, Y, and Z. It looks bad to some people — not that I agree, but I thought you should know."

http://www.bustle.com/articles/144447-what-is-concern-trolling-watch-out-for-this-subtle-form-of-shaming


Wikipedia:

A concern troll is a false flag pseudonym created by a user whose actual point of view is opposed to the one that the user's sockpuppet claims to hold. The concern troll posts in web forums devoted to its declared point of view and attempts to sway the group's actions or opinions while claiming to share their goals, but with professed "concerns". The goal is to sow fear, uncertainty and doubt within the group.

http://www.dailykos.com/story/2008/11/1/632558/-


concern troll
A person who posts on a blog thread, in the guise of "concern," to disrupt dialogue or undermine morale by pointing out that posters and/or the site may be getting themselves in trouble, usually with an authority or power. They point out problems that don't really exist. The intent is to derail, stifle, control, the dialogue. It is viewed as insincere and condescending.

http://www.urbandictionary.com/define.php?term=concern%20troll


Enter the Concern Troll

But I think it touches on a larger trend in opinionating.

Enter The Concern Troll.

There are two ways of disagreeing with someone. One is to disagree openly. The other is to say, “I support you, but you’re doing it wrong.”

The second is insidious.

The second is condescending, insincere, manipulative. It even says so in the Urban Dictionary definition.

The darkest moment is always just after the concern trolls start pouring in.

“I’m with you,” the concern troll says. “But surely you must see how this looks to people. Not me, of course. But other people. They might think horrible things of you. People might think you were self-centered, fat, slow, rude. Not me, of course. I’m with you. I have your best interests at heart. That’s why I want to warn you. I, you see, know how this ought to be done.”

https://www.washingtonpost.com/blogs/compost/wp/2014/01/13/enter-the-concern-troll/


Dems: Ignore 'concern trolls By Markos Moulitsas - 01/09/08 11:40 AM EST

In the blog world we call this “concern trolling” — offering a poisoned apple in the form of advice to political opponents that, if taken, would harm the recipient.

http://thehill.com/opinion/columnists/markos-moulitas/24407-dems-ignore-concern-trolls


Here from Geek Feminism Wiki but we can apply to any topic/group !


A Concern troll:
A concern troll is a person who participates in a debate posing as an actual or potential ally who simply has some concerns they need answered before they will ally themselves with a cause. In reality they are a critic. Concern trolling in geek feminism communities can result in continual reversion to Feminism 101 discussions in attempts to appease the troll's concerns, frustrating attempts at more serious discussion. Concern trolls are not always self-aware; they may also view themselves as potential allies who have just, oddly, never met a feminist opinion they liked.

Concern trolls can be identified primarily because they will retreat from, rather than engage with or be convinced by, answers to the questions they pose. They may repeatedly ask a certain question in feminist discussions without ever absorbing or replying to answers from previous discussions. They will often back into typical anti-feminist arguments, such as expressing concern that an argument is too "extreme" or a feminist too "strident" or even "hysterical". Another common tactic is insisting that some subjects are more important than others, for example, that media depictions of women shouldn't be criticised while violence against women continues.

http://geekfeminism.wikia.com/wiki/Concern_troll

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On full display every day on DU. baldguy Jul 2016 #1
Well, I'm concerned about full displays Scientific Jul 2016 #2
Whaaaaaaaaaaaaat!? Her Sister Jul 2016 #4
I am more concerned about the chem bots newthinking Jul 2016 #64
The good good thing is that we know about it! Her Sister Jul 2016 #3
More: What is Concern Trolling? Her Sister Jul 2016 #14
One other thought here. PatrickforO Jul 2016 #60
Yes! Michelle Visage!!!! Agschmid Jul 2016 #5
RuPaul Drives... Michelle Visage :-) Her Sister Jul 2016 #7
Enjoyed that. narnian60 Jul 2016 #10
Good info mcar Jul 2016 #6
Concern trolling from the peanut gallery is the worst! (nt) betsuni Jul 2016 #8
When the concern trollers are numerous they get together to reaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaalllly Her Sister Jul 2016 #9
often hard to get juries here to spot. mopinko Jul 2016 #11
methinks you're making too big a deal about this... KG Jul 2016 #12
Noted! Her Sister Jul 2016 #13
I don't know which is worse: sulphurdunn Jul 2016 #21
You don't seem to care if people do "concern" trolling!? Her Sister Jul 2016 #23
I am far more concerned sulphurdunn Jul 2016 #48
I don't engage everyone! Her Sister Jul 2016 #58
Yes. sulphurdunn Jul 2016 #65
Republican Trump sympathizers are not allowed on DU. Kingofalldems Jul 2016 #32
Are you implying that I'm a Trump sympathizer? sulphurdunn Jul 2016 #47
No, I was responding to your post Kingofalldems Jul 2016 #49
Then get after them. sulphurdunn Jul 2016 #51
I don't call them names. Kingofalldems Jul 2016 #52
Sure it is, but it applies sulphurdunn Jul 2016 #57
I love ironic performance art salin Jul 2016 #72
only took six hours, thanks! KG Jul 2016 #73
Years ago there was a troll taxonomy effort on DU, new species discovered and all that: Coyotl Jul 2016 #15
That's great info there! lol! Her Sister Jul 2016 #17
Some of them get paid well to do it. Most just do it and don't know they could get paid. Coyotl Jul 2016 #19
Towards a Taxonomy of Political Trolls OR Filling a Neologism Vacuum. Coyotl Jul 2016 #18
Thank you for compiling this. Bookmarking and recommending. emulatorloo Jul 2016 #16
Lol sheshe2 Jul 2016 #20
This can be a double-edged sword Boomer Jul 2016 #22
T'is true! ~Question: Are they trying to hurt morale? Her Sister Jul 2016 #25
"Morale" has absolutely nothing to do with the validity of a criticism LongtimeAZDem Jul 2016 #29
It matters to me! Her Sister Jul 2016 #30
You dont.... Chakaconcarne Jul 2016 #40
Usually it's easy to discern the difference PJMcK Jul 2016 #53
You and I had a productive conversation yesterday that could have gone sideways without floriduck Jul 2016 #66
I, too, enjoyed our conversation PJMcK Jul 2016 #67
floriduck, where's that conversation that you had with PJMcK ? Her Sister Jul 2016 #70
Here it is. Thanks. floriduck Jul 2016 #71
Exactly. Isn't this OP an example of "Concern Trolling"? newthinking Jul 2016 #61
Sounds like a cause for concern. jalan48 Jul 2016 #24
You got it! Her Sister Jul 2016 #26
next y'all'll be complaining about David Brock MisterP Jul 2016 #27
Who's y'all? Her Sister Jul 2016 #28
And they use these alot: Kingofalldems Jul 2016 #31
And they're obsessed with emails. pnwmom Jul 2016 #34
or concerned trolls! whistler162 Jul 2016 #36
Wise people, like the OP, note the presence of concerned trolls. pnwmom Jul 2016 #37
Absolutely. Kingofalldems Jul 2016 #50
lol SoLeftIAmRight Jul 2016 #33
... Her Sister Jul 2016 #35
Do you have some specific examples you could point us to? B2G Jul 2016 #38
Here's one: "I'm against all the gun violence going on. . . Stargleamer Jul 2016 #41
You do realize that around 40% of Democrats own guns, right? B2G Jul 2016 #42
They can be, if they present themselves to be pro gun-control Stargleamer Jul 2016 #43
That poster didn't present as pro-gun control. nt B2G Jul 2016 #44
It was an hypothetical example, not an actual post Stargleamer Jul 2016 #46
It's easier sulphurdunn Jul 2016 #59
if though, given the forum you're in, . . . Stargleamer Jul 2016 #69
I mentioned to someone else sulphurdunn Jul 2016 #78
I am entirely against assault gun sales newthinking Jul 2016 #62
I think you're likely to miss much concern trolling going on... Stargleamer Jul 2016 #68
Thanks for your concern... former9thward Jul 2016 #39
+1 newthinking Jul 2016 #63
Just as a precautionary note, I'll point out that the other use of concerns about... Shandris Jul 2016 #45
Sometimes examples are good. PatrickforO Jul 2016 #54
The admin should add "concern troll" to the rules/alert/jury function itsrobert Jul 2016 #55
+ 100,000 Kingofalldems Jul 2016 #76
I am concerned with your concern over the concerning nature of concern trolls. Agnosticsherbet Jul 2016 #56
"I LOVE Bernie Sanders... BUT" Yeah, I've read that shit a thousand times in the last year. cherokeeprogressive Jul 2016 #74
Great. Now maybe the administrators at DU......... louis c Jul 2016 #75
There is one who is concern trolling DU right now. Kingofalldems Jul 2016 #77
Concern Police ??? Really? On DU? Lance Bass esquire Jul 2016 #79
Police? Exaggeration much? Her Sister Jul 2016 #80
How do we know your not policing? Lance Bass esquire Jul 2016 #81
Again not policing! Her Sister Jul 2016 #82
Oh, are we doing the cute little gif thing again? I thought that fad finally ended. Warren DeMontague Jul 2016 #83
Hot & buttered! Her Sister Jul 2016 #84
I just can't get enough of those sassy reaction gifs~! Warren DeMontague Jul 2016 #85
Gonna ask you to shoo b/c your responses are just not germane Her Sister Jul 2016 #86
You said hot buttered. Warren DeMontague Jul 2016 #87
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