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PatrickforO

(15,495 posts)
60. One other thought here.
Sat Jul 2, 2016, 02:20 PM
Jul 2016

To simply label people who have sometimes legitimate concerns about something as trolls is not always true.

For instance, on this gun control issue, I'm all for universal background checks, but have mixed feelings about the 'no fly no buy' idea. Why? Because last time I read the Bill of Rights I was presumed innocent until proven guilty with the onus of proof on the government. With the Patriot Act, which I have NO mixed feelings about, but am virulently against, we have basically given up our Bill of Rights in favor of being 'safe.' Think about who makes the most profits when fear becomes a normal condition for us as a people. This is why the condition has been and is being so carefully cultivated.

On the TPP, since I've read it, I have no real concerns - there is NO ambiguity. I'm totally against it, and believe it is the biggest corporate piece of shit that has been foisted off on working people since NAFTA. And, what has been hilarious to me is that while some do estimate that the USA lost upwards of 800,000 jobs due to NAFTA, if you say that the immediate response is, "No we didn't! That's absurd! That's been proven wrong!" OK...so it's actually 600,000. That is still pretty bad, don't you think? Because most of the jobs lost were good ones - jobs that had good pay, reasonable economic security, good benefits and defined pensions. Jobs someone could raise a family on, and they plopped them firmly in the middle class. These jobs have been replaced generally by lower paying service jobs. Fortunately we now face structural labor shortages - full employment, baby boomers retiring, big skills gap. That will drive wages and benefits up.

Or GATS. What about the good 'ol GATS treaty of 1995? We don't have single payer right now, and instead I have shitty, rationed healthcare with financially crippling copays, not because the Dems didn't have enough votes, but because it creates what is called a 'service monopoly' and is against provisions of GATS, of which we are a signatory. They didn't TELL US that, did they? Nope. We had to dig ourselves and find out. It took me a long time to get over my anger at Obama and the Democratic majorities of 2009 because of that. I campaigned for him BECAUSE OF HEALTHCARE and did indeed feel betrayed by this very party. My party and your party.

My point: Yeah, I am a Democrat - have been registered as a Democrat since 1984. But I absolutely refuse to shut up about stuff with which I disagree. I'm not gonna troll - but I'm sure gonna say if I am not in consensus with something this party is doing. You know why? It is your party, but it is my party too.

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On full display every day on DU. baldguy Jul 2016 #1
Well, I'm concerned about full displays Scientific Jul 2016 #2
Whaaaaaaaaaaaaat!? Her Sister Jul 2016 #4
I am more concerned about the chem bots newthinking Jul 2016 #64
The good good thing is that we know about it! Her Sister Jul 2016 #3
More: What is Concern Trolling? Her Sister Jul 2016 #14
One other thought here. PatrickforO Jul 2016 #60
Yes! Michelle Visage!!!! Agschmid Jul 2016 #5
RuPaul Drives... Michelle Visage :-) Her Sister Jul 2016 #7
Enjoyed that. narnian60 Jul 2016 #10
Good info mcar Jul 2016 #6
Concern trolling from the peanut gallery is the worst! (nt) betsuni Jul 2016 #8
When the concern trollers are numerous they get together to reaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaalllly Her Sister Jul 2016 #9
often hard to get juries here to spot. mopinko Jul 2016 #11
methinks you're making too big a deal about this... KG Jul 2016 #12
Noted! Her Sister Jul 2016 #13
I don't know which is worse: sulphurdunn Jul 2016 #21
You don't seem to care if people do "concern" trolling!? Her Sister Jul 2016 #23
I am far more concerned sulphurdunn Jul 2016 #48
I don't engage everyone! Her Sister Jul 2016 #58
Yes. sulphurdunn Jul 2016 #65
Republican Trump sympathizers are not allowed on DU. Kingofalldems Jul 2016 #32
Are you implying that I'm a Trump sympathizer? sulphurdunn Jul 2016 #47
No, I was responding to your post Kingofalldems Jul 2016 #49
Then get after them. sulphurdunn Jul 2016 #51
I don't call them names. Kingofalldems Jul 2016 #52
Sure it is, but it applies sulphurdunn Jul 2016 #57
I love ironic performance art salin Jul 2016 #72
only took six hours, thanks! KG Jul 2016 #73
Years ago there was a troll taxonomy effort on DU, new species discovered and all that: Coyotl Jul 2016 #15
That's great info there! lol! Her Sister Jul 2016 #17
Some of them get paid well to do it. Most just do it and don't know they could get paid. Coyotl Jul 2016 #19
Towards a Taxonomy of Political Trolls OR Filling a Neologism Vacuum. Coyotl Jul 2016 #18
Thank you for compiling this. Bookmarking and recommending. emulatorloo Jul 2016 #16
Lol sheshe2 Jul 2016 #20
This can be a double-edged sword Boomer Jul 2016 #22
T'is true! ~Question: Are they trying to hurt morale? Her Sister Jul 2016 #25
"Morale" has absolutely nothing to do with the validity of a criticism LongtimeAZDem Jul 2016 #29
It matters to me! Her Sister Jul 2016 #30
You dont.... Chakaconcarne Jul 2016 #40
Usually it's easy to discern the difference PJMcK Jul 2016 #53
You and I had a productive conversation yesterday that could have gone sideways without floriduck Jul 2016 #66
I, too, enjoyed our conversation PJMcK Jul 2016 #67
floriduck, where's that conversation that you had with PJMcK ? Her Sister Jul 2016 #70
Here it is. Thanks. floriduck Jul 2016 #71
Exactly. Isn't this OP an example of "Concern Trolling"? newthinking Jul 2016 #61
Sounds like a cause for concern. jalan48 Jul 2016 #24
You got it! Her Sister Jul 2016 #26
next y'all'll be complaining about David Brock MisterP Jul 2016 #27
Who's y'all? Her Sister Jul 2016 #28
And they use these alot: Kingofalldems Jul 2016 #31
And they're obsessed with emails. pnwmom Jul 2016 #34
or concerned trolls! whistler162 Jul 2016 #36
Wise people, like the OP, note the presence of concerned trolls. pnwmom Jul 2016 #37
Absolutely. Kingofalldems Jul 2016 #50
lol SoLeftIAmRight Jul 2016 #33
... Her Sister Jul 2016 #35
Do you have some specific examples you could point us to? B2G Jul 2016 #38
Here's one: "I'm against all the gun violence going on. . . Stargleamer Jul 2016 #41
You do realize that around 40% of Democrats own guns, right? B2G Jul 2016 #42
They can be, if they present themselves to be pro gun-control Stargleamer Jul 2016 #43
That poster didn't present as pro-gun control. nt B2G Jul 2016 #44
It was an hypothetical example, not an actual post Stargleamer Jul 2016 #46
It's easier sulphurdunn Jul 2016 #59
if though, given the forum you're in, . . . Stargleamer Jul 2016 #69
I mentioned to someone else sulphurdunn Jul 2016 #78
I am entirely against assault gun sales newthinking Jul 2016 #62
I think you're likely to miss much concern trolling going on... Stargleamer Jul 2016 #68
Thanks for your concern... former9thward Jul 2016 #39
+1 newthinking Jul 2016 #63
Just as a precautionary note, I'll point out that the other use of concerns about... Shandris Jul 2016 #45
Sometimes examples are good. PatrickforO Jul 2016 #54
The admin should add "concern troll" to the rules/alert/jury function itsrobert Jul 2016 #55
+ 100,000 Kingofalldems Jul 2016 #76
I am concerned with your concern over the concerning nature of concern trolls. Agnosticsherbet Jul 2016 #56
"I LOVE Bernie Sanders... BUT" Yeah, I've read that shit a thousand times in the last year. cherokeeprogressive Jul 2016 #74
Great. Now maybe the administrators at DU......... louis c Jul 2016 #75
There is one who is concern trolling DU right now. Kingofalldems Jul 2016 #77
Concern Police ??? Really? On DU? Lance Bass esquire Jul 2016 #79
Police? Exaggeration much? Her Sister Jul 2016 #80
How do we know your not policing? Lance Bass esquire Jul 2016 #81
Again not policing! Her Sister Jul 2016 #82
Oh, are we doing the cute little gif thing again? I thought that fad finally ended. Warren DeMontague Jul 2016 #83
Hot & buttered! Her Sister Jul 2016 #84
I just can't get enough of those sassy reaction gifs~! Warren DeMontague Jul 2016 #85
Gonna ask you to shoo b/c your responses are just not germane Her Sister Jul 2016 #86
You said hot buttered. Warren DeMontague Jul 2016 #87
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