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romanic

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158. The difference with the ME immigration between the US and what's going on in Europe is vetting.

Mon Jul 4, 2016, 06:12 PM

Jul 2016

Plus our immigration from the ME happened decades ago and those immigrants, mostly the men, came for jobs and business - not just for refuge.

I live near Dearborn, MI which has the largest arab-population and the largest amount of arab-owned businesses (bakeries, grocery stores, offices, etc) that were started by these immigrants. There's very little crime regarding domestic or sexual assault in Dearborn because the people there are multi-generational, have families, jobs and pride. Of course the arab population in Dearborn have settled there for up to a century by now and have acclimated to the moral values and laws shared by fellow American citizens. You just can't say the same for these migrants in Europe who are commiting sexual assault and rape, there is no comparison.

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20+ girls molested in Cologne-style attacks at Swedish rock fest [View all] BlueNoMatterWho Jul 2016 OP

I have a feeling that things like this fueled much of the Brexit vote. /nt Marr Jul 2016 #1

Agree. 840high Jul 2016 #2

+1 Ex Lurker Jul 2016 #3

More like pedophobia. BlueNoMatterWho Jul 2016 #4

Pedophobia is the fear of children...or habitual bigotry against children. Chan790 Jul 2016 #15

Thanks, I was saying it in jest. However, the correct term could be "Pedophilephobic"? BlueNoMatterWho Jul 2016 #29

The weird you're probably looking for FBaggins Jul 2016 #69

pedophobia is a real and serious condition mythology Jul 2016 #130

These things certainly don't help. Especially the frequency in which they are happening. BlueNoMatterWho Jul 2016 #49

I agree completely. The least we should expect from immigrants or refugees Nay Jul 2016 #81

I don't think so. The talk was about jobs and resources for immigrants from the EU muriel_volestrangler Jul 2016 #83

I decided a while ago that the "all cultures are equal and we should quietly respect them" thing XemaSab Jul 2016 #5

I'm with you - it's not OK 840high Jul 2016 #8

Including in the US, Germany, Italy, etc. guillaumeb Jul 2016 #30

"where abuse of women and children is totally accepted." cherokeeprogressive Jul 2016 #39

A woman is beaten by her male spouse or partner In the U.S. EVERY NINE KingCharlemagne Jul 2016 #113

"totally accepted". So what laws we DO have on the books have been repealed? cherokeeprogressive Jul 2016 #116

I call out bullshit where I see it XemaSab Jul 2016 #40

In the US and other western countries men are prosecuted for molesting females. pnwmom Jul 2016 #47

ding ding ding ericson00 Jul 2016 #54

What percentage of women in the US never report rapes? guillaumeb Jul 2016 #164

If a woman doesn't report a rape leftynyc Jul 2016 #165

Rape is a horror that occurs in every country in the world guillaumeb Jul 2016 #167

Women are not prosecuted for being raped in every country in the world. pnwmom Jul 2016 #168

But when womens' accusations are not given credibility, guillaumeb Jul 2016 #169

"not supportive" is not equivalent to "publicly whipped and thrown into prison." n/t pnwmom Jul 2016 #172

If you wish to ignore leftynyc Jul 2016 #170

One of these days you may learn of this thing called "percentages" snooper2 Jul 2016 #171

Wow.."British Police Go To HELL " bdwker Jul 2016 #173

The US is unique in the world with multiculturalism. joshcryer Jul 2016 #35

Unique in what respect? Demanding more assimilation than, say, Canada? muriel_volestrangler Jul 2016 #85

It was probably by design. joshcryer Jul 2016 #92

Women and minority rights are objectively better in the US than in many countries Democat Jul 2016 #96

Better than 'many', but I wouldn't say better than Canada muriel_volestrangler Jul 2016 #101

Canada is almost 90% white mythology Jul 2016 #132

This message was self-deleted by its author Marr Jul 2016 #102

The US (and Canada) also didn't open the door wide open to every "Tony Montana" Sen. Walter Sobchak Jul 2016 #106

I have definite issues with my own culture bhikkhu Jul 2016 #41

EXACTLY! XemaSab Jul 2016 #43

Well, exactly. I have issues with immigrants from certain cultures because we Nay Jul 2016 #82

+1000 smirkymonkey Jul 2016 #46

Ditto. cwydro Jul 2016 #64

Agreed. Not all cultures are equal. They're just not. Captain Stern Jul 2016 #176

Refugees should be expelled Beakybird Jul 2016 #6

If you said those words on the open street here in say, Stureplan, and people heard you AntiBank Jul 2016 #13

Sweden was the jewel of Europe. bdwker Jul 2016 #14

It's a totally different dynamic here due the unified stance of all the political parties in the AntiBank Jul 2016 #31

Thank you for a great intelligent educational post. bdwker Jul 2016 #34

We are not at the point of no return yet. I have hope. But major structural changes need to happen. AntiBank Jul 2016 #36

There are so many hate groups in the US that they (given enough space) cancel each other out nolabels Jul 2016 #63

Tess Asplund...........this is how how face down the fuckers AntiBank Jul 2016 #65

Bravado and a visceral malaise have been common place in our L.A. metropolis since Richard M. Nixon nolabels Jul 2016 #67

I was born in Huntington Memorial, Pasadena, parents had just moved to Altadena AntiBank Jul 2016 #72

I popped out of mom at Downey Community. nolabels Jul 2016 #84

Sorry to say . . . MousePlayingDaffodil Jul 2016 #19

It is a philosophical question Yupster Jul 2016 #90

Coming to a nation near you. BlueNoMatterWho Jul 2016 #50

Already there... bdwker Jul 2016 #152

I don't get it. How do they react when they see stories like this? smirkymonkey Jul 2016 #68

You just don't want to know who did this. bdwker Jul 2016 #7

We do know. 840high Jul 2016 #9

It's like a game. bdwker Jul 2016 #10

I doubt it. PC police will get you. 840high Jul 2016 #16

True bdwker Jul 2016 #22

I can say it! Violet_Crumble Jul 2016 #57

That answer is the correct one -- Hell Hath No Fury Jul 2016 #151

There doesn't seem to be. The mainstream wants to ignore facts MariaThinks Jul 2016 #60

Just blame all "Abrahamic" religions EL34x4 Jul 2016 #70

this has happened here in Stockholm in 2014-15, in January 2016 there was a huge scandal becuase the AntiBank Jul 2016 #11

Thanks. 840high Jul 2016 #17

Don't they see that by covering up and ignoring it plays into the smirkymonkey Jul 2016 #71

There has been an accusation treestar Jul 2016 #12

Donald Trump is accused of 840high Jul 2016 #18

that's an accusation too treestar Jul 2016 #23

There have been twenty accusations. Why do you present that as 'an accusation'? Bluenorthwest Jul 2016 #20

so what's the number of accusations that makes people guilty? treestar Jul 2016 #25

So you are allowed to conjecture that over 20 women and girls are lying out of agenda about Bluenorthwest Jul 2016 #26

I did not do any such thing treestar Jul 2016 #88

Nice point. guillaumeb Jul 2016 #32

Post removed Post removed Jul 2016 #62

You really doubt understand the concept, do you? FBaggins Jul 2016 #66

you believe it because you want to believe it treestar Jul 2016 #87

You just accused 20+ Swedish young ladies of lying about sexual assault FBaggins Jul 2016 #104

No I did not. treestar Jul 2016 #107

You absolutely did FBaggins Jul 2016 #109

Donald Trump has never been convicted of being a jerk Democat Jul 2016 #97

Being a jerk is not a crime treestar Jul 2016 #98

I choose to believe the victims. Lizzie Poppet Jul 2016 #142

Feminism means every male accused of sexual assault has to be guilty? treestar Jul 2016 #144

Nice strawman. Lizzie Poppet Jul 2016 #146

You said you believe every accuser treestar Jul 2016 #155

belief =/= knowledge Lizzie Poppet Jul 2016 #156

The girls must not have been wearing their "Don't Molest Me" bracelets. EL34x4 Jul 2016 #21

I'm sure that will stop it. 840high Jul 2016 #27

WTF? BlueNoMatterWho Jul 2016 #33

Välkommen till Sverige AntiBank Jul 2016 #37

I wonder if the victims are blamed if they are not wearing Ilsa Jul 2016 #79

Swedish Feminists Thread Needle Between Sexism and Racism in Migrant Controversy AntiBank Jul 2016 #80

That was my first reaction Yupster Jul 2016 #91

it's "tafsa inte" btw on the bracelets AntiBank Jul 2016 #38

Do the bracelets hold extra rounds of ammo or something? Lizzie Poppet Jul 2016 #157

“unaccompanied youth” from the Middle East EL34x4 Jul 2016 #24

So sad. 840high Jul 2016 #28

Sweden needs to get it's shit together and help it's people, mostly their women romanic Jul 2016 #42

Agreed Calculating Jul 2016 #153

Not buying it. MohRokTah Jul 2016 #44

This! mwrguy Jul 2016 #45

bullshit. it happened. it was even worse here in Stockholm in 2014-15 AntiBank Jul 2016 #52

it happened. get over it AntiBank Jul 2016 #51

Aftonbladet is left-mainstream newspaper Quantess Jul 2016 #74

I think you misread. I did say it was centre left. AntiBank Jul 2016 #75

My mistake, I meant to reply to someone else. Quantess Jul 2016 #76

lol, is all good I am on mobil too AntiBank Jul 2016 #77

The article is in Swedish treestar Jul 2016 #108

I live in Sweden and I read the papers myself. Quantess Jul 2016 #110

Well we don't have those links treestar Jul 2016 #111

No freedom of speech. bdwker Jul 2016 #112

Officially we do have freedom of the press, Quantess Jul 2016 #117

We should ignore sex crimes? Democat Jul 2016 #59

There was a young muslim girl in Ethiopia who was raped. She brought it up. The village MariaThinks Jul 2016 #61

that's not what the poster said treestar Jul 2016 #89

Some on DU will minimize or deny the truth Democat Jul 2016 #95

Questioning the source can be treestar Jul 2016 #99

If it were only RT reporting this, fine. Quantess Jul 2016 #103

Interesting so the accusation of US soldiers in Germany treestar Jul 2016 #105

Not buying it? oberliner Jul 2016 #78

Quelle surprise. n/t demmiblue Jul 2016 #86

K&R smirkymonkey Jul 2016 #48

more Swedish links, just to quash people wrongly saying this is some RT agitprop AntiBank Jul 2016 #53

this is why we cannot afford either the approach of ericson00 Jul 2016 #55

This message was self-deleted by its author ericson00 Jul 2016 #56

On DU it's okay to blame victims and deny sex crimes Democat Jul 2016 #58

It sickens me, this attitude. smirkymonkey Jul 2016 #73

Yep. :( trotsky Jul 2016 #178

'He grabbed me, then touched my genitals. Girls were crying everywhere' EL34x4 Jul 2016 #93

Oh geez bdwker Jul 2016 #94

Boys will be boys, eh? EL34x4 Jul 2016 #100

Sounds like a description of your average American University frathouse on KingCharlemagne Jul 2016 #119

Actually, 20+ 12-18 year old girls sexually assaulted EL34x4 Jul 2016 #124

Touched a nerve, did I? - nt KingCharlemagne Jul 2016 #126

You got called on your leftynyc Jul 2016 #166

I know, right?! n/t demmiblue Jul 2016 #129

The Daily Mail is a Fascist rag. Odin2005 Jul 2016 #134

I am sure the 20+ girls who were assaulted will be relieved to learn this. EL34x4 Jul 2016 #159

These Muslim young men, if they are, should be considered representative of all Muslims pampango Jul 2016 #114

I hope they are not representative of all Muslims. bdwker Jul 2016 #115

I think I can help out. At least speaking for me. I am NOT pushing the Muslim angle at all. AntiBank Jul 2016 #121

Sorry for not putting the sarcasm tag. I thought the head banging on the wall pampango Jul 2016 #123

What the hell is the matter with guys? Muslim, Christian, whatever, guys cause a lot of trouble! nolabear Jul 2016 #118

You got that right. bdwker Jul 2016 #120

Importing millions of horny men from a culture that doesn't respect women was a terrible idea (nt) ansible Jul 2016 #122

As if American culture was that much better on that front! YoungDemCA Jul 2016 #125

we confined our sexual predation to indigenous and slave women. So KingCharlemagne Jul 2016 #127

Jesus no shit ismnotwasm Jul 2016 #131

Key term: "was." Lizzie Poppet Jul 2016 #143

Hmmmm. seabeyond Jul 2016 #148

Well Calculating Jul 2016 #174

a shitload better actually... snooper2 Jul 2016 #177

This message was self-deleted by its author EL34x4 Jul 2016 #128

Here is the issue, as I read this argument. We have a large immigration from ME in our community. seabeyond Jul 2016 #133

It may also be related to the screening process used by the United States Democat Jul 2016 #135

Excellent point ismnotwasm Jul 2016 #137

The difference with the ME immigration between the US and what's going on in Europe is vetting. romanic Jul 2016 #158

The immigration in our city is not long past. It is recent, too. Especially Afghanistan, Iraq and seabeyond Jul 2016 #160

Funny, when a white Western person commits a crime only the individual is blamed... Odin2005 Jul 2016 #136

Tunnel vision much ? bdwker Jul 2016 #138

No, just pointing out the casual prejudice that comes out every time... Odin2005 Jul 2016 #139

Funny, when a Black working class American votes republican, only the individual is blamed... FixTheProblem Jul 2016 #141

There is nothing saying "all Muslims are at fault" oberliner Jul 2016 #150

Who said anything like "all muslims"? Quantess Jul 2016 #161

Who is blaming all Muslims? But when a large group of men is attacking pnwmom Jul 2016 #162

The elephant in the room keeps getting bigger and bigger. FixTheProblem Jul 2016 #140

The writing is on the wall Calculating Jul 2016 #154

Look at all the excuses in this thread. Marr Jul 2016 #145

It's just incredible how so-called "progressives" cant bring themselves to criticize this davidn3600 Jul 2016 #147

This thread has been one of the most enlightening -- Hell Hath No Fury Jul 2016 #149

Yeah, wtf. nt killbotfactory Jul 2016 #163

They said they are "youth" but I wonder how many TexasBushwhacker Jul 2016 #175