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agnostic102

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3. Thank you!
Fri Jul 15, 2016, 01:30 PM
Jul 2016

Skinner for allowing this forum and its great being here. Wanted to further expand upon religious guilt. (i wasnt raised christian or come from a christian family so maybe a christian can speak from there experience)

But in religion there is a lot of guilt. And having this over your heard is a heavy burden to carry. let me give you an example.

I left islam in my teens and become very "anti religion" in my twenties. Now married and grown up i still have lot of muslim family and friends.

A muslim family im very close to have a restaurant where i love eating. there food is amazing. Except during ramadan when we couldn't eat till about 8 or so i would avoid going into that restaurant. I know it sounds silly but this family just assumes im Muslim so any other time i went into there restaurant they would bring me plates of food and a drink etc. not during ramadan. they assumed i was fasting like they were. Now in the middle east breaken fast is serouse offense so that reason alone is enough not to do it. At least not in front of poeple. But here in western countries the family wouldnt have hated me or anything if had eaten. They might have looked twice or ask me why im not fasting but wouldn't love me any less.

This is where that guilt comes in. Even though i dont believe in ramadan anymore. because of society pressure and to keep this family in good faith with me since i care about them a lot. I would pretend i was fasting. Id come in for dinners and break fast with them and i would act like how tired and hungry i was.. but the truth was i had eaten like 4 hours before.

Now the question is why i havent told them im not muslim is a much more serouse topic. My wife told me just tell them you arent muslim (shes white raised catholic) and i told her " hun, this is not a joke, this isnt political statement, this isnt i left islam and i dont care who knows about it bravodo, my life is in danger. if word spreads in the community about me, maybe this family wouldnt do anything but a friend of theres a cousin an uncle might." leaving islam is no joke and when i tried to explain that to my western friends some are baffled others role there eyes. but we are talking about something very very serous and very very deadly. its not a " oh look at me thing" my life is on the line and yes is it much much lower risk then when i was in the middle east? yes but those fears still linger with you. Especially when you watch executions of poeple who are accused of being an apostate. its not a pleasant site.

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Thanks for posting. I was thinking very similar things a few moments ago villager Jul 2016 #1
Interesting post. Skinner Jul 2016 #2
Thank you! agnostic102 Jul 2016 #3
Very similar issues in many US criminal gangs Mopar151 Jul 2016 #5
I can understand that fear... sarae Jul 2016 #56
I wonder how many hardcore fundamentalists of any stripe this aplies to. Mopar151 Jul 2016 #4
well just a clarification agnostic102 Jul 2016 #6
Yes. Islam is just religious, not racial, supremacism. Albertoo Jul 2016 #47
I just wrote much the same thing on another thread Warpy Jul 2016 #7
hey warpy agnostic102 Jul 2016 #8
I survived Catholic school Warpy Jul 2016 #10
hell maassive Jul 2016 #23
Welcome to DU Warpy Jul 2016 #52
Nope. Duppers Jul 2016 #63
Fundamentalist Baptist survivor here OriginalGeek Jul 2016 #26
Except that he got help for the truck. It was rented, and needed help to get past security Albertoo Jul 2016 #48
Right, dead civilians being his ticket to heaven after a life lived rottenly Warpy Jul 2016 #49
Latest news: now, Daesh claims the Nice attack, Albertoo Jul 2016 #51
Looks like a left hand/right hand situation to me Warpy Jul 2016 #55
From what I read, there's evidence of phone contact with radicals through intermediaries Albertoo Jul 2016 #58
His family said he just sent home a boatload of money. I suspect he got paid Yo_Mama Jul 2016 #54
Yup: money + a promise of paradise = a choleric goner becomes a ticking bomb Albertoo Jul 2016 #57
Great insight FLPanhandle Jul 2016 #9
Thank you. I did not know this. Your knowledge is a welcomed addition here. Welcome. Squinch Jul 2016 #11
Very similar to how Christians sin and aren't lesser Christians NightWatcher Jul 2016 #12
yes agnostic102 Jul 2016 #14
The sect I grew up in believed that OriginalGeek Jul 2016 #27
So, it sounds to me like Islam is still to blame for many of these terrorist attacks. Some beaglelover Jul 2016 #13
well agnostic102 Jul 2016 #16
I understand about more muslims being killed by the terrorists. But there is NO other religion beaglelover Jul 2016 #17
beagle agnostic102 Jul 2016 #20
Why did your Mom even take you to a stoning? WTF? beaglelover Jul 2016 #21
Hi beagle agnostic102 Jul 2016 #22
Thank you for the clarification. beaglelover Jul 2016 #36
Many White Supremacists identify as "Christians" Mopar151 Jul 2016 #28
As to why more "moderate Muslims" don't condemn the terrorist acts. Yo_Mama Jul 2016 #35
When I went to church they always tried to recruit people with vices. Initech Jul 2016 #15
The worse you were, the better you'll be. n/t Mopar151 Jul 2016 #25
I wonder if there's a parallel knightmaar Jul 2016 #18
I think this is an important point. Religion all too often uses shame to control. Research nolabear Jul 2016 #19
Thank You. bvar22 Jul 2016 #24
Agnostic, ex Muslim. Are you Cenk Uygur? liberalnarb Jul 2016 #29
So he is a typical religious hypocrite... lame54 Jul 2016 #30
Very interesting. So are there no easy routes to forgiveness? lostnfound Jul 2016 #31
Theologically, the only escape for hudud crimes is to suffer the penalty. Yo_Mama Jul 2016 #34
I think the radical preachers seek these types out and exploit them. Yo_Mama Jul 2016 #32
What are your impressions of Ibn Arabi, pangaia Jul 2016 #33
The Sufis revere Muhammad, whom the Sunna presents as less than perfect Albertoo Jul 2016 #50
Religion 101: Make people feel guilty for natural things that everyone already does. Warren DeMontague Jul 2016 #37
informative thank you treestar Jul 2016 #38
Interesting post. Thanks. DanTex Jul 2016 #39
Rec'd with thanks for sharing. babylonsister Jul 2016 #40
Thanks for your thoughts. Welcome to DU. Quayblue Jul 2016 #41
When will they stop teaching their children to believe they can redeem every sin with murder? LeftRant Jul 2016 #42
This is an excellent thread, agnostic102. Tobin S. Jul 2016 #43
Is redemption through jihadist martyrdom universally embraced by muslims? Martin Eden Jul 2016 #44
well innocent agnostic102 Jul 2016 #45
Thank you for this. Bookmarking Arazi Jul 2016 #46
Just curious: which country are you originally from? Iran? Albertoo Jul 2016 #53
Those factors within the religion, Ilsa Jul 2016 #59
Thank you! KT2000 Jul 2016 #60
And what is worse is - they hate our doggies!: jonno99 Jul 2016 #61
oh my god about dogs!! agnostic102 Jul 2016 #62
All religion is a poison to the human mind and condition Sam_Fields Jul 2016 #64
i have sadly agnostic102 Jul 2016 #65
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