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34. Theologically, the only escape for hudud crimes is to suffer the penalty.

Fri Jul 15, 2016, 05:37 PM

Jul 2016

Hudud crimes are committed against Allah.

However the reason the orthodox imams describe hudud penalties as merciful under sharia is that the teaching is that undergoing the penalty with repentance restores you to good grace, so you can go to heaven after death. That is why Muslims are supposed to want to live under sharia - only that way can they be sure of not being tortured for eternity.

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Hudud

This bit from hadith kind of explains it:
http://www.usc.edu/org/cmje/religious-texts/hadith/muslim/017-smt.php#017.4206

Hard reading, so I won't list it here. But because the woman confessed and subjected herself to the punishment, Muhammed said she was forgiven by Allah.

See also 4207:

Imran b. Husain reported that a woman from Juhaina came to Allah's Apostle (may peace be upon him) and she had become pregnant because of adultery. She said: Allah's Apostle, I have done something for which (prescribed punishment) must be imposed upon me, so impose that. Allah's Apostle (may peace be upon him) called her master and said: Treat her well, and when she delivers bring her to me. He did accordingly. Then Allah's Apostle (may peace be upon him) pronounced judgment about her and her clothes were tied around her and then he commanded and she was stoned to death. He then prayed over her (dead body). Thereupon Umar said to him: Allah's Apostle, you offer prayer for her, whereas she had committed adultery! Thereupon he said: She has made such a repentance that if it were to be divided among seventy men of Medina, it would be enough. Have you found any repentance better than this that she sacr ficed her life for Allah, the Majestic?

Suicide is a crime in Islam; suicidal persons may only escape by dying as witnesses for Allah's cause.

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Why these radicals drink, watch porn etc. Some background [View all] agnostic102 Jul 2016 OP

Thanks for posting. I was thinking very similar things a few moments ago villager Jul 2016 #1

Interesting post. Skinner Jul 2016 #2

Thank you! agnostic102 Jul 2016 #3

Very similar issues in many US criminal gangs Mopar151 Jul 2016 #5

I can understand that fear... sarae Jul 2016 #56

I wonder how many hardcore fundamentalists of any stripe this aplies to. Mopar151 Jul 2016 #4

well just a clarification agnostic102 Jul 2016 #6

Yes. Islam is just religious, not racial, supremacism. Albertoo Jul 2016 #47

I just wrote much the same thing on another thread Warpy Jul 2016 #7

hey warpy agnostic102 Jul 2016 #8

I survived Catholic school Warpy Jul 2016 #10

hell maassive Jul 2016 #23

Welcome to DU Warpy Jul 2016 #52

Nope. Duppers Jul 2016 #63

Fundamentalist Baptist survivor here OriginalGeek Jul 2016 #26

Except that he got help for the truck. It was rented, and needed help to get past security Albertoo Jul 2016 #48

Right, dead civilians being his ticket to heaven after a life lived rottenly Warpy Jul 2016 #49

Latest news: now, Daesh claims the Nice attack, Albertoo Jul 2016 #51

Looks like a left hand/right hand situation to me Warpy Jul 2016 #55

From what I read, there's evidence of phone contact with radicals through intermediaries Albertoo Jul 2016 #58

His family said he just sent home a boatload of money. I suspect he got paid Yo_Mama Jul 2016 #54

Yup: money + a promise of paradise = a choleric goner becomes a ticking bomb Albertoo Jul 2016 #57

Great insight FLPanhandle Jul 2016 #9

Thank you. I did not know this. Your knowledge is a welcomed addition here. Welcome. Squinch Jul 2016 #11

Very similar to how Christians sin and aren't lesser Christians NightWatcher Jul 2016 #12

yes agnostic102 Jul 2016 #14

The sect I grew up in believed that OriginalGeek Jul 2016 #27

So, it sounds to me like Islam is still to blame for many of these terrorist attacks. Some beaglelover Jul 2016 #13

well agnostic102 Jul 2016 #16

I understand about more muslims being killed by the terrorists. But there is NO other religion beaglelover Jul 2016 #17

beagle agnostic102 Jul 2016 #20

Why did your Mom even take you to a stoning? WTF? beaglelover Jul 2016 #21

Hi beagle agnostic102 Jul 2016 #22

Thank you for the clarification. beaglelover Jul 2016 #36

Many White Supremacists identify as "Christians" Mopar151 Jul 2016 #28

As to why more "moderate Muslims" don't condemn the terrorist acts. Yo_Mama Jul 2016 #35

When I went to church they always tried to recruit people with vices. Initech Jul 2016 #15

The worse you were, the better you'll be. n/t Mopar151 Jul 2016 #25

I wonder if there's a parallel knightmaar Jul 2016 #18

I think this is an important point. Religion all too often uses shame to control. Research nolabear Jul 2016 #19

Thank You. bvar22 Jul 2016 #24

Agnostic, ex Muslim. Are you Cenk Uygur? liberalnarb Jul 2016 #29

So he is a typical religious hypocrite... lame54 Jul 2016 #30

Very interesting. So are there no easy routes to forgiveness? lostnfound Jul 2016 #31

Theologically, the only escape for hudud crimes is to suffer the penalty. Yo_Mama Jul 2016 #34

I think the radical preachers seek these types out and exploit them. Yo_Mama Jul 2016 #32

What are your impressions of Ibn Arabi, pangaia Jul 2016 #33

The Sufis revere Muhammad, whom the Sunna presents as less than perfect Albertoo Jul 2016 #50

Religion 101: Make people feel guilty for natural things that everyone already does. Warren DeMontague Jul 2016 #37

informative thank you treestar Jul 2016 #38

Interesting post. Thanks. DanTex Jul 2016 #39

Rec'd with thanks for sharing. babylonsister Jul 2016 #40

Thanks for your thoughts. Welcome to DU. Quayblue Jul 2016 #41

When will they stop teaching their children to believe they can redeem every sin with murder? LeftRant Jul 2016 #42

This is an excellent thread, agnostic102. Tobin S. Jul 2016 #43

Is redemption through jihadist martyrdom universally embraced by muslims? Martin Eden Jul 2016 #44

well innocent agnostic102 Jul 2016 #45

Thank you for this. Bookmarking Arazi Jul 2016 #46

Just curious: which country are you originally from? Iran? Albertoo Jul 2016 #53

Those factors within the religion, Ilsa Jul 2016 #59

Thank you! KT2000 Jul 2016 #60

And what is worse is - they hate our doggies!: jonno99 Jul 2016 #61

oh my god about dogs!! agnostic102 Jul 2016 #62

All religion is a poison to the human mind and condition Sam_Fields Jul 2016 #64

i have sadly agnostic102 Jul 2016 #65