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Igel

(35,382 posts)

12. And that's what proof beyond a reasonable doubt is for.

Reply to puffy socks (Reply #4)

Mon Jul 18, 2016, 12:31 PM

Jul 2016

If it's not there, what's left is faith.

"Now faith means putting our full confidence in the things we hope for, it means being certain of things we cannot see."

Sadly, evidence,

"ground for belief" is from late 14c.; that of "obviousness" is from 1660s and tacks closely to the sense of evident. Legal senses are from c. 1500, when it began to oust witness.

And "evident" just describes something that is clearly seen.

We don't accept faith as proof in trials.

In the absence of actual evidence, what's left is a bias resulting from perceptual salience. (q.v.)

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Another acquittal in the Freddie Gray case [View all] annavictorious Jul 2016 OP

I thought the coroner ruled Freddie's death a homicide? How is homocide not... ChisolmTrailDem Jul 2016 #1

It's the whole "presumption of innocence" thing. The prosecustion has to present jonno99 Jul 2016 #5

And then what happens to the homicide determination the coroner made? nt ChisolmTrailDem Jul 2016 #7

I don't know. My guess is that since there is no statue of limitations on murder, this will jonno99 Jul 2016 #8

Thank you for your responses, jonno99. nt ChisolmTrailDem Jul 2016 #9

Was Freddie Gray's death ever ruled a murder? annavictorious Jul 2016 #17

The homicide determination will still stand. annavictorious Jul 2016 #18

Gotcha. I think I knew that but thank you for the reminder, annavictorious. nt ChisolmTrailDem Jul 2016 #19

There was some testimony concerning the homicide determination during the driver's trial. annavictorious Jul 2016 #20

Homicide is a neutral word treestar Jul 2016 #13

Thank you for the clarification, treestar. nt ChisolmTrailDem Jul 2016 #14

Just to be clear: jonno99 Jul 2016 #2

I know that not all homicides are crimes. annavictorious Jul 2016 #3

This was no accident. nt puffy socks Jul 2016 #4

And that's what proof beyond a reasonable doubt is for. Igel Jul 2016 #12

What I find interesting annavictorious Jul 2016 #6

as if we needed more proof....black lives really DO NOT matter dembotoz Jul 2016 #10

Does "Black Lives Matter" now trump the criminal justice process? Dreamer Tatum Jul 2016 #11

You're right treestar Jul 2016 #15

The Rodney King cops were as guilty as charged, as any fool could see. Dreamer Tatum Jul 2016 #16

All the acquittals were the result of bench trials. annavictorious Jul 2016 #21