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Scootaloo

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Reply to dont hassle the hoff (Reply #165)

Wed Jun 13, 2012, 01:45 AM

Jun 2012

Given that you state "I'm a progressive and not a liberal," you're not starting out with flying colors intellectually as it is. You cannot tell the difference between someone's business, and a skate park?

Seriously, you can't? The idea between "private property" and "public property" doesn't register? How about the idea of some behaviors and practices being acceptable or unacceptable, depending on location and time?

I'm not arguing that graffiti is the sole province of skate parks. I would add "and you damn well know it," but frankly I just don't feel right assuming you know a damn thing, period. I'm arguing that in terms of location, context, and ownership, I have no issue with graffiti in a public skate park.

That you and others keep trying to make this about someone's house - it's not, it's a skate park - tells me that you've got nothing to make an actual rebuttal with. Your outrage is feigned and expressed solely to be hip. Par for the course with "progressives who aren't liberal."

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It took vandals one day to deface SF's new $3.5 million parks [View all] Liberal_in_LA Jun 2012 OP

It is sad, but I think it is ridiculous that they are surprised. YellowRubberDuckie Jun 2012 #1

Best wishes to the folks in addressing & repairing the damage RT Atlanta Jun 2012 #2

The meaning of Dolores is "sorrows" Kolesar Jun 2012 #3

This makes me so sad Tumbulu Jun 2012 #4

Maybe they should issue concealed paint gun licenses JoethePleb Jun 2012 #5

Maybe folks some spend less time discussing how to ban happy meals and pet stores snooper2 Jun 2012 #6

Instead of spending thousands of dollars each year on clean up. tabatha Jun 2012 #10

Until you hear from the "surveillance cameras are EEEEVILLLL" bunch here jberryhill Jun 2012 #17

Much better would be very good lighting and exposed cameras in plain view lunatica Jun 2012 #32

Cameras were the fist thing that popped into my mind too... Skip Intro Jun 2012 #95

I work in parks and recreation... ellisonz Jun 2012 #7

I worked at a downtown institution that is open to the public. Toilets purposely clogged Liberal_in_LA Jun 2012 #12

Yeah I mean if it's not thoroughly locked up or bolted to the ground... ellisonz Jun 2012 #18

I hate it when you can't find a working pay phone for miles in parts of the city aint_no_life_nowhere Jun 2012 #21

It's not a matter of repair... Chan790 Jun 2012 #79

I spent over an hour trying to find a working phone last week aint_no_life_nowhere Jun 2012 #96

Super simple solution: Let the "vandals" paint the entire skate park TalkingDog Jun 2012 #8

+100! n/t librechik Jun 2012 #13

.... DeSwiss Jun 2012 #14

Yep. Bennyboy Jun 2012 #16

I lived in NY in the early 80's and they did this with the subway cars. There were some really Egalitarian Thug Jun 2012 #22

Let me assure you that it was always illegal to paint subway cars in NYC alcibiades_mystery Jun 2012 #28

I'm sure it was all in my imagination... Egalitarian Thug Jun 2012 #34

You surely imagined the legality alcibiades_mystery Jun 2012 #38

Have you never seen Warriors?! FarLeftFist Jun 2012 #76

You're right, apparently it was an informal arrangement(?) and the best artists got together and Egalitarian Thug Jun 2012 #163

The harsher the clampdown the uglier the graffiti... Luminous Animal Jun 2012 #31

This what the authoritarians never get. The more you escalate, the less you accomplish. Egalitarian Thug Jun 2012 #40

It's authoritarian to have the rule of law and not allow defacing of others property? jpbollma Jun 2012 #49

I think you miss the point. The methods of restriction, enforcement, & penalties we use don't work. Egalitarian Thug Jun 2012 #53

I don't believe I missed the point. jpbollma Jun 2012 #60

Yeah, you did. First, I have lived in graffiti covered buildings and never did it effect Egalitarian Thug Jun 2012 #66

When I lived in NYC, we PAID someone to do that to the side of our building. Chan790 Jun 2012 #83

No way in hell I'd call the cops. A mere $400 in "damage" could get a kid Luminous Animal Jun 2012 #69

I guess I just don't get it. jpbollma Jun 2012 #70

"People from the suburbs who come into a city to shop and do business get scared by this stuff" girl gone mad Jun 2012 #73

Girl Gone Mad jpbollma Jun 2012 #81

I grew up in Oakland XemaSab Jun 2012 #156

TalkingDog..there is plenty wrong with graffiti jpbollma Jun 2012 #39

Actually... it IS their property Scootaloo Jun 2012 #51

Well it's also ugly as shit. Marr Jun 2012 #52

So is bare concrete Scootaloo Jun 2012 #57

It's a little more like 'shit is thematic to a parade'. Marr Jun 2012 #58

So cork the horses? Scootaloo Jun 2012 #64

Generally there's a man cleaning it up at the end of the parade. Marr Jun 2012 #72

Bare grey molded concrete sounds so appealing Scootaloo Jun 2012 #80

Do you have any graffiti on your house? Marr Jun 2012 #82

Yup! Chan790 Jun 2012 #88

Is my house a skate park designated public property? Scootaloo Jun 2012 #160

I must be missing something in this discussion jpbollma Jun 2012 #59

Hmmm, good question! Scootaloo Jun 2012 #62

I think I was being too general in my attack on graffiti jpbollma Jun 2012 #71

The people with the krylon paid for it too, though Scootaloo Jun 2012 #77

But picking what public area is off limits is subjective jpbollma Jun 2012 #84

Tagging an art gallery is an inherently-politic act... Chan790 Jun 2012 #90

Please, pay attention here Scootaloo Jun 2012 #159

In the article it said that people have burned down structures XemaSab Jun 2012 #155

LOL....brilliant logic. Maybe I can spray paint Air Force One since I own it! Logical Jun 2012 #87

Exhibit A dont hassle the hoff Jun 2012 #165

Do try to keep up Scootaloo Jun 2012 #175

If you were any good, I might pay you for it even. n/t Chan790 Jun 2012 #85

Chan790 Until you come up with the money jpbollma Jun 2012 #92

I'm a iconoclast...I do things precisely because they will be met with public disapproval. Chan790 Jun 2012 #97

so... jpbollma Jun 2012 #106

Sure, you can look at it that way. Chan790 Jun 2012 #113

Back in the day, we used to call that kind of thing "anti-social". Heywood J Jun 2012 #150

This exactly. Thank you. wickerwoman Jun 2012 #176

This message was self-deleted by its author wickerwoman Jun 2012 #177

This message was self-deleted by its author closeupready Jun 2012 #43

Here's the thing: in isolation, some of these are lovely, but closeupready Jun 2012 #48

yep. the artists are the shock troops of the gentrifiers. HiPointDem Jun 2012 #50

as long as they use art ... and not name tags.. I say go for it proud patriot Jun 2012 #126

Good. Tell me your address. dont hassle the hoff Jun 2012 #166

aren't you sweet proud patriot Jun 2012 #179

Grafitti is one thing, but purposefully BREAKING public facilities is something else. mainer Jun 2012 #164

most likely the "vandals" are known in the neighborhood. nt msongs Jun 2012 #9

Whenever they catch people who do this they ought to A) have to fix whatever they damaged 4th law of robotics Jun 2012 #11

Absolutely. People have no respect. jpbollma Jun 2012 #36

Actually the only thing I find disgusting... Chan790 Jun 2012 #91

Silly. Art is for galleries & museums and worthless unless curated. Luminous Animal Jun 2012 #116

Art includes a hell of a lot more than painting and sculpture Occulus Jun 2012 #157

Yes. I realize that art is more than painting & sculpture. Thanks for trying, though. Luminous Animal Jun 2012 #158

forgive me Sen. Walter Sobchak Jun 2012 #169

Sadly, there are plenty of "progressives" that support these vandal "artists". Odin2005 Jun 2012 #15

OBEY ellisonz Jun 2012 #19

+1 Chan790 Jun 2012 #94

Yep- "most notably with the removal of six of the 14 metal keys from the popular xylophone." Heywood J Jun 2012 #151

Things don't have to be ugly. Bennyboy Jun 2012 #20

I reject the idea that we just let these human scum have the run of our cities. jpbollma Jun 2012 #24

No need to hire people. Just give them the freedom to create and they will do so organically. Luminous Animal Jun 2012 #33

The "freedom to create" costs about 99 cents. Marr Jun 2012 #54

Tell that to Banksy, Shepard Fairey, David Choe, etc. girl gone mad Jun 2012 #78

Well, the art world doesn't own the buildings, so Marr Jun 2012 #131

Advertising is about smearing your name all over town. Graffiti can be and often is Luminous Animal Jun 2012 #101

Graffiti *can be*, but it very rarely is. Marr Jun 2012 #133

When you criminalize artists, the taggers take over. Luminous Animal Jun 2012 #140

I have no problem with street art as long as they get permission, or... Odin2005 Jun 2012 #143

Graffiti San Francisco: Luminous Animal Jun 2012 #30

This message was self-deleted by its author jpbollma Jun 2012 #35

And what do you propose as a solution? n/t Egalitarian Thug Jun 2012 #56

FYI, the graffiti in the picture is in a skate park built in 2008. NOT Dolores Park. Luminous Animal Jun 2012 #23

Don't piss off a graffitti artist.... Erose999 Jun 2012 #25

Ridiculous. If the owner of that building or the city wanted that art they would ask for art jpbollma Jun 2012 #26

it has art on it.. frylock Jun 2012 #65

This comment cracks me up everytime I scroll by it! Luminous Animal Jun 2012 #141

Too awesome. Bennyboy Jun 2012 #41

Hahahaha!!! Luminous Animal Jun 2012 #47

This is why we can't have nice things. AngryAmish Jun 2012 #27

Exactly. This type of thing is what has killed many of our urban cores. jpbollma Jun 2012 #29

Animals alarimer Jun 2012 #75

Industry abandoning our cities and our country is what has killed our urban cores. Luminous Animal Jun 2012 #102

Yes, that is the single biggest thing that killed our urban cores jpbollma Jun 2012 #118

This'll look nice when it's framed... Luminous Animal Jun 2012 #46

This looks like a Bansky, I like it crunch60 Jun 2012 #55

A slum is defined by its residents; not its architecture FarCenter Jun 2012 #37

yes, and its residents also destroy all of the local architecture. jpbollma Jun 2012 #44

Hey, it's ART! closeupready Jun 2012 #42

This wouldn't have been a problem if we followed Singapore's lead. badtoworse Jun 2012 #45

Now here's some street art....Poland.... Bennyboy Jun 2012 #61

BANKSY welcomes the Queen on her 75th..... Bennyboy Jun 2012 #63

More Banksy Bennyboy Jun 2012 #67

My favorite BANKSY work.... Bennyboy Jun 2012 #68

These are all great jpbollma Jun 2012 #74

THEIR park too (this post won't be popular, but WTH) librechik Jun 2012 #86

Lame Post! So I should be able to spray paint any Bridge in town also? Logical Jun 2012 #89

A bridge is not a skateboard park. librechik Jun 2012 #100

It's the Return of the Repressed. EFerrari Jun 2012 #103

+1 n/t librechik Jun 2012 #105

Check out this near the skatepark (I'm not sure if it is still there...) Luminous Animal Jun 2012 #108

But, was it authorized?! EFerrari Jun 2012 #112

why should I pay money for someone to have a canvass? jpbollma Jun 2012 #120

Why should I pay money for you to have your road paved? EFerrari Jun 2012 #121

Actually paved roads are something society as a whole needs jpbollma Jun 2012 #128

People need art and self-expression that isn't assessed and compressed Luminous Animal Jun 2012 #132

Whereas, society doesn't need the energies of young people to be directed EFerrari Jun 2012 #146

Paved roads for private automobiles was a stupid idea. hunter Jun 2012 #168

The second it does you'll see rural poverty back like it's 1930. Rittermeister Jun 2012 #178

Can't blame that on Baby Boomers. Iggo Jun 2012 #93

Marking turf is, to humans, what spraying urine is to cats SoCalDem Jun 2012 #98

If you take away the space for kids to make art, they will push back. EFerrari Jun 2012 #115

Some graffiti can be art, but most is spiteful defacement SoCalDem Jun 2012 #117

No. EFerrari Jun 2012 #119

What "process" were they shut out of that they think it okay to deface public property? cherokeeprogressive Jun 2012 #138

You mean, besides the part where our tax dollars are no longer spent on EFerrari Jun 2012 #145

So there is no art without money? And without that money, I can paint whatever the hell I want on cherokeeprogressive Jun 2012 #154

That you don't even see these people as part of the process speaks volumes. EFerrari Jun 2012 #162

Oh give me a break. First of all, the picture in the OP is not the kids park that was recently Luminous Animal Jun 2012 #129

seriously. so often people speak without context. NuttyFluffers Jun 2012 #161

sadly, too many people don't know the difference between tagging and graffiti.. frylock Jun 2012 #125

Kids shouldn't have the space for art taken away jpbollma Jun 2012 #135

Lmao. No, I certainly did not teach my children EFerrari Jun 2012 #144

Yes, Urine. cthulu2016 Jun 2012 #147

Apparently, you haven't spent enough time looking at "urine". n/t EFerrari Jun 2012 #148

A real vandal would have used optical illusions to mess up the people using those ramps. jp11 Jun 2012 #99

Yes. The skate board park is crappy tags (but not gang tags). Ever since the city Luminous Animal Jun 2012 #107

If there's no corporate logo sewn into the neckline, no one gets it. n/t EFerrari Jun 2012 #111

Thanks did not know that. I saw a lack of any real graffiti art and figured crappy jp11 Jun 2012 #153

billboards vandalize the countryside on highways that cost billions... Earth_First Jun 2012 #104

Uglier, in my opinion. Luminous Animal Jun 2012 #109

Yep. Earth_First Jun 2012 #114

but they pay for it and pay taxes jpbollma Jun 2012 #122

Talk about nuance. Why do you say these people don't pay taxes? EFerrari Jun 2012 #124

Who says these 'vandals' do not pay taxes...? Earth_First Jun 2012 #127

and there it is folks.. frylock Jun 2012 #152

Or certain housing developments aint_no_life_nowhere Jun 2012 #123

Its a crying shame. When I lived there many years ago, that was one of the most Luminous Animal Jun 2012 #136

And people hate it. Marr Jun 2012 #137

What scum. greytdemocrat Jun 2012 #110

What do folks think about 'reverse' or 'green graffiti' or projection graffiti? Earth_First Jun 2012 #130

A lovely reverse graffiti project in the Broadway tunnel in San Francisco Luminous Animal Jun 2012 #134

+1 Earth_First Jun 2012 #139

how is it that it is assumed that the vandals who damaged the playground are also responsible... Earth_First Jun 2012 #142

Is this Trumad's doing? Baitball Blogger Jun 2012 #149

This is sad but not surprising ... AsahinaKimi Jun 2012 #167

I wonder if someone built a Graffiti Shankapotomus Jun 2012 #170

It never ends. Sometimes I get tired. We've had our cars "tagged." hunter Jun 2012 #171

I see a lot of 'mindless vandalism" in the city also. I suppose a psychologist would Liberal_in_LA Jun 2012 #174

I don't know why people who are being given something nice caesars things Jun 2012 #172

the other point about 5 points in LIC, the taggers tag adjacent property closeupready Jun 2012 #173