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70. I concluded

Wed Dec 28, 2011, 01:41 PM

Dec 2011

That soft pornographic and monarch inspired portrayals of women in print, film, t.v. (no internet really in 1994 - at least not like today) were a constant brainwash that lead women to believe they could make more money off their weight and sexuality than via education and/or trade skills. But I looked at Media from 1965 through 1995. Started with Twiggy (vapid, vacous, androgynous anorexic) and ended with The Guess Ads - think Anna Nicole Smith as a hunted submissive animal. Women are 'things' to be moved around and posed - nothing more and nothing less. Man - you can tell I'm in the same age group as Monica Lewinsky. She was very 'typical' for the early 1990's - "I'm getting bombed and hooking up women" who defied that 'doe in the cross hairs' programming. I think she's hated more for THAT than giving the President a hummer in the Oval Office. 'Good girls' (rolling eyes and groaning) don't do that. It's 'boys being boys' who are sexually aggressive. And I respect bands like Motley Crue (think the video Girls, Girls, Girls) who put it out there so blatantly far more than I do Lady Gaga with so-called empowerment. Yuck!

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LUV capitalism!!! Study shows hyper-sexualization of women by the media has increased 10 fold... [View all] Sarah Ibarruri Dec 2011 OP

Painful and important. Brickbat Dec 2011 #1

Quite. It was no surprise to me. One would have to be an idiot to not notice... Sarah Ibarruri Dec 2011 #13

Why? No, seriously. Why? Warren DeMontague Dec 2011 #165

It's sad that some liberals don't believe in pure science research. Bucky Dec 2011 #194

Phony statistical quantifications of bs terms like "hypersexualization" AREN'T 'science' at all. Warren DeMontague Dec 2011 #211

Wow.. sendero Dec 2011 #254

Did you read the study? Hissyspit Dec 2011 #266

You mean the one they're charging 35 bucks to read? Warren DeMontague Dec 2011 #294

As a sociologist, I'm a little astounded by your claims. antigone382 Dec 2011 #332

thank you getdown Dec 2011 #338

"As it turns out...." Um, I'm not a puppet on the end of your wrist. Warren DeMontague Dec 2011 #347

I'm not condemning the whole field. As I said downthread, I think sociology is a useful lens through Warren DeMontague Dec 2011 #346

Speaking of astounding claims: Warren DeMontague Dec 2011 #369

word games getdown Dec 2011 #374

It's striking because they made up the criteria and then -surprise- found a 'striking' increse in it Warren DeMontague Dec 2011 #380

you claim it's "fucking idiotic" getdown Dec 2011 #385

I already found out Warren DeMontague Dec 2011 #399

The Kardashians also did their part Kingofalldems Dec 2011 #2

The Kardashians ARE part of the media. We wouldn't even know who they are without the media. Sarah Ibarruri Dec 2011 #6

Media is selling sexuality as a commodity. lapislzi Dec 2011 #17

I have only one quibble with your post whathehell Dec 2011 #132

i think the social environment has change. significantly in last decade. seabeyond Dec 2011 #134

I know what you are saying....To a certain extent, whathehell Dec 2011 #139

there is a better way. we had it for a little while until we went to pornification and girls/women seabeyond Dec 2011 #142

*** Warren DeMontague Dec 2011 #163

i get it. you are part of the asshole group. and you wear it with pride. i hear ya..... seabeyond Dec 2011 #167

Either that, or you're mad Warren DeMontague Dec 2011 #168

wha???? lol. ah ha. nt seabeyond Dec 2011 #176

It's never been the same since the indigo children bombed the moon Warren DeMontague Dec 2011 #182

Don't be mean to the man. Everything on earth exists for a reason. Sarah Ibarruri Dec 2011 #184

hey... i am not being mean. it is a hoot. they brag, they say seabeyond Dec 2011 #189

For the record, I didn't think "you" were being mean. Warren DeMontague Dec 2011 #192

i dont know why you put you in quotes, but, i am glad you did not think i was being mean. nt seabeyond Dec 2011 #198

If I posted Denis Leary's "I'm an asshole" in the "assholes check in thread" Warren DeMontague Dec 2011 #201

no... not with naked women, but you sure do flappy armed if women seabeyond Dec 2011 #204

challenge away, I say Warren DeMontague Dec 2011 #205

i dont give a shit what you buy. it is really not about rolling stone. but no surprise seabeyond Dec 2011 #206

Wait. What about the Rolling Stones? Warren DeMontague Dec 2011 #208

hey, i am sorry you can't get no... satisfaction. hey hey hey..... i know you have tried and tried seabeyond Dec 2011 #215

Yes, because I'm Mick Jagger. Warren DeMontague Dec 2011 #216

hey, i thought you were telling me sumthin. lol. bah hahaha. nt seabeyond Dec 2011 #217

each one of my words is a multi-faceted font of wisdom pearls which operates on multiple levels Warren DeMontague Dec 2011 #219

can't get no.... seabeyond Dec 2011 #221

Just ignore him. whathehell Dec 2011 #232

*** Warren DeMontague Dec 2011 #243

Of course he does....Typical. n/t whathehell Dec 2011 #227

He should embrace it! You're doing him a favor. nt Sarah Ibarruri Dec 2011 #195

see. glass half full. accepting them for who they claim to be. seabeyond Dec 2011 #197

One of me is plenty, thanks. Warren DeMontague Dec 2011 #199

Ignore. Ignore. Ignore PhoenixAbove Dec 2011 #256

there it is PhoenixAbove getdown Dec 2011 #335

Amazing how many people seem to have signed up for the sole purpose Warren DeMontague Dec 2011 #348

you are getdown Dec 2011 #357

Maybe I just don't have enough selves. Warren DeMontague Dec 2011 #362

La La La Warren DeMontague Dec 2011 #368

ah, yes, the good old days of prudery. Warren DeMontague Dec 2011 #164

I'm not for prudery or "sticky" and I think you know that...Good try, though n/t whathehell Dec 2011 #186

"You" think "old fashioned prudery" was a "good thing" Warren DeMontague Dec 2011 #193

Read the post again...This time with your "thinking cap" on, lol. whathehell Dec 2011 #210

So you said it, but you qualified it. Warren DeMontague Dec 2011 #213

And? whathehell Dec 2011 #223

More like got y'all Warren DeMontague Dec 2011 #242

Funny.. whathehell Dec 2011 #264

perhaps you should take a poll Warren DeMontague Dec 2011 #311

even when they were property? getdown Dec 2011 #229

No more or less than African American slaves. whathehell Dec 2011 #231

you think getdown Dec 2011 #234

Um...No....The original statement went to what they "were" whathehell Dec 2011 #239

you may quibble getdown Dec 2011 #276

Getdown, whathehell Dec 2011 #355

got it getdown Dec 2011 #358

Thanks, and whathehell Dec 2011 #367

had a feeling getdown Dec 2011 #370

Wow. whathehell Dec 2011 #378

well getdown Dec 2011 #379

Did you see this? It's AMAZING! Warren DeMontague Dec 2011 #381

don't play that getdown Dec 2011 #388

I'm sure it's way easier if you're fielding a whole shitload of paddles. Warren DeMontague Dec 2011 #396

heh heh whathehell Dec 2011 #384

I blame OJ. Warren DeMontague Dec 2011 #166

Yeah, but I would question what they use as the definition of 'sexualized'. randome Dec 2011 #3

Here's where you will find those answers - the actual study Sarah Ibarruri Dec 2011 #12

Paywall. boppers Dec 2011 #230

Sarah JustAnotherGen Dec 2011 #4

May an article post be posted twice? nt Sarah Ibarruri Dec 2011 #8

I dunno JustAnotherGen Dec 2011 #11

Luvin' is good lol Sarah Ibarruri Dec 2011 #14

I concluded JustAnotherGen Dec 2011 #70

Seems to me like you need to either write a book on this or teach a class Sarah Ibarruri Dec 2011 #74

I write JustAnotherGen Dec 2011 #95

Yes, I think so. People cross-post articles a lot. MineralMan Dec 2011 #36

Thanks, Mineral Man! nt Sarah Ibarruri Dec 2011 #37

Yes you may post twice. I'm GLAD you posted in GD, actually BlancheSplanchnik Dec 2011 #88

Draining and infuriating. I get pissed off when I see women pornified in magazines, TV and movies Sarah Ibarruri Dec 2011 #136

I have the same kind of reaction BlancheSplanchnik Dec 2011 #141

Is Rolling Stone now a adequate scientific proxy for "the media" or "capitalism"? cthulu2016 Dec 2011 #5

Here - read the study Sarah Ibarruri Dec 2011 #9

The methodological fine points are irrelevant to this particular objection cthulu2016 Dec 2011 #18

I agree. Gormy Cuss Dec 2011 #50

Having trouble with this lapislzi Dec 2011 #7

I'm going to help you... Sarah Ibarruri Dec 2011 #10

don't forget JustAnotherGen Dec 2011 #15

not only empowering, but an excitement and titillation at seeing 2 hour and 45 minute of violence seabeyond Dec 2011 #21

I'm embarrassed at my ignorance but I don't know what The Girl with the Dragon Tattoo is about... Sarah Ibarruri Dec 2011 #26

why give them the money empowering hollywood to use explicit graphic drawn out rape of women as seabeyond Dec 2011 #30

I seldom watch American movies because they lend themselves to the degradation of women... Sarah Ibarruri Dec 2011 #51

Yes. European movies such as the "Irreversible" or "Tie Me Up, Tie Me Down" show rape the right way Snake Alchemist Dec 2011 #102

You assume I watch everything. However, Hollywood's plastic, surgically-altered idiotic female Sarah Ibarruri Dec 2011 #107

That Erin Brokovitch was a real hussy. n/t. Snake Alchemist Dec 2011 #130

American independent movies?....Not so much. whathehell Dec 2011 #121

Indy movies are wonderful! And they use actors that are not the typical Barbie-cookie-cutter Sarah Ibarruri Dec 2011 #123

Yes, exactly... whathehell Dec 2011 #188

British stuff is wonderful. Love Britcoms. nt Sarah Ibarruri Dec 2011 #196

No, no sex in Britain, that's for sure. Warren DeMontague Dec 2011 #209

I love the dramas....Spooks, Waking the Dead, etc. whathehell Dec 2011 #214

What is a multi-directional DVD player? I've got to have one if it can get all Sarah Ibarruri Dec 2011 #218

Oh, yes!...Glad to help out..A mult-directional DVD player will play DVDs whathehell Dec 2011 #224

That's going to be my own personal Xmas gift to myself... Sarah Ibarruri Dec 2011 #260

Good for you!....Enjoy. n/t whathehell Dec 2011 #263

Yes, it is a saga-3 books. ceile Dec 2011 #153

Yes, Hollywood does ruin things. I recently took my niece - she's 11 - to see Breaking Dawn, the Sarah Ibarruri Dec 2011 #155

Is that the one where the girl Control-Z Dec 2011 #222

Vulgar, and not at all like the book. I'm not saying the book was a classic... Sarah Ibarruri Dec 2011 #262

Are you aware that there is a charge for that article? JHB Dec 2011 #99

It's not an article. It's the complete, published study, if you desire to examine it. nt Sarah Ibarruri Dec 2011 #117

It is a research journal article... JHB Dec 2011 #140

This message was self-deleted by its author Warren DeMontague Dec 2011 #251

That pricing is not unusual for academic journals JHB Dec 2011 #267

So someone who has defined "sexualization" and "objectification"- two totally subjective, bs terms- Warren DeMontague Dec 2011 #158

you would not be confused by getdown Dec 2011 #233

" We keep churning out degrees in crap like "sociology" when we should be teaching students math" Hissyspit Dec 2011 #235

Yeah, the right wing just LOVES science. Warren DeMontague Dec 2011 #240

Utter nonsense. You prove my point. Hissyspit Dec 2011 #252

yup getdown Dec 2011 #279

froth away getdown Dec 2011 #278

"pornified."says it all. this is what we do to our women and girls today. and IF seabeyond Dec 2011 #16

Yeah, don't you love it? Automatically 2 or 3 guys that love the pornification of women cry and Sarah Ibarruri Dec 2011 #20

yup. AND seabeyond Dec 2011 #24

Yup! Sarah Ibarruri Dec 2011 #53

i dont much indulge in grudges, either. seabeyond Dec 2011 #56

Absolutely. nt Sarah Ibarruri Dec 2011 #67

You know, Sarah, Zorra Dec 2011 #238

Sometimes it sure seems that way. Sarah Ibarruri Dec 2011 #259

I totally understand. Zorra Dec 2011 #281

I never thought about it, that homophobia and sexism could go hand in hand. I suppose the same Sarah Ibarruri Dec 2011 #282

and I think the people who get all angry over depictions of hetero sex are bugged by gay sex too. Warren DeMontague Dec 2011 #302

two words riverwalker Dec 2011 #19

Toddlers and tiaras takes the pornification to women all the way to the level of little girls - sick Sarah Ibarruri Dec 2011 #22

Yeah, that's a pretty sick show (nt) The Straight Story Dec 2011 #28

K&R. PeaceNikki Dec 2011 #23

with ya.... sistaaaah. i won't shut up, if you dont. lol seabeyond Dec 2011 #27

No, I will not shut up. PeaceNikki Dec 2011 #33

damn that is good. i was listening to a poster saying women leave the house to be looked at. seabeyond Dec 2011 #44

These would probably be the same people who think women BREATHE for them. n/t whathehell Dec 2011 #125

PeaceNikki, I'm with you too. You're right. This bullshit needs to be stopped. Sarah Ibarruri Dec 2011 #46

Well, two things. It is Rolling stone and women have more sexual parts than men The Straight Story Dec 2011 #25

Okay now... Sarah Ibarruri Dec 2011 #32

Men's Journal wryter2000 Dec 2011 #78

In many ways, capitalism has made women's magazines even more nefarious since they are propaganda Sarah Ibarruri Dec 2011 #79

You are so right about women's magazines wryter2000 Dec 2011 #81

?? You puzzle me. lapislzi Dec 2011 #34

I didn't write the study about what is/is not sexual The Straight Story Dec 2011 #43

That was my whole problem with the fragment of the article lapislzi Dec 2011 #47

I'm going to post about that. :) Are women who run around half naked, surgically-altered, and Sarah Ibarruri Dec 2011 #115

Bullshit.....Sarah I. is correct....Rolling Stone is about MUSIC, it's not a "men's magazine". n/t whathehell Dec 2011 #126

is this a surprise? maggiesfarmer Dec 2011 #29

Oops! You didn't read the post or the article.... Sarah Ibarruri Dec 2011 #35

correct, you have to follow the rest of my points as well maggiesfarmer Dec 2011 #59

1 study in the 80's with questionairre proved that out hence, it becomes fact. NOT reality. seabeyond Dec 2011 #38

Despite my problems with the article, Sarah has the right of it. lapislzi Dec 2011 #31

Thanks, lapislzi. Capitalism is the culprit here. It sells everything, people's lives, people's Sarah Ibarruri Dec 2011 #40

Always enjoy your posts, Sarah lapislzi Dec 2011 #48

Wait a moment. I can't let this one stand. Shandris Dec 2011 #87

I actually qualify downthread lapislzi Dec 2011 #103

Okay, yah, now it makes much more sense. Shandris Dec 2011 #173

That's really informative. Delphinus Dec 2011 #110

A race to the bottom, in all it's obscene glory. bemildred Dec 2011 #39

It's always the bottom line, and increasing profits till they blow up into the stratosphere. nt Sarah Ibarruri Dec 2011 #42

I know! Rolling Stone used to be such a family-oriented magazine. Warren DeMontague Dec 2011 #171

LOL. bemildred Dec 2011 #271

Thank you for the article Sarah. MuseRider Dec 2011 #41

Thanks, MuseRider. It might not make a huge difference now, but if all of us start to mention this Sarah Ibarruri Dec 2011 #45

My experience with this MuseRider Dec 2011 #58

i couldnt agree more with the whole of your post. absolutely. nt seabeyond Dec 2011 #61

Muse, I get very frustrated too. It's hard to discuss something that is so pervasive, and be told Sarah Ibarruri Dec 2011 #62

my husband said the same to me. nt seabeyond Dec 2011 #66

No you are not wrong. MuseRider Dec 2011 #72

Rolling Stones Cover Descent Started In the Early 1990s NashVegas Dec 2011 #49

Rolling Stone was used in this study, but honestly, they could've taken any magazine at all... Sarah Ibarruri Dec 2011 #52

"even" womens' magazines or "especially" womens' magazines... NYC_SKP Dec 2011 #60

Oh yes. Myriad articles telling women "how to give him better orgasms" and "how to look like a Ho" Sarah Ibarruri Dec 2011 #63

Women's mags (Cosmo, etc.) discuss female orgasm lapislzi Dec 2011 #68

The woman as workhorse, robot, and mannequin. nt Sarah Ibarruri Dec 2011 #77

I wonder if that indeed is a cause or an effect of Madison Avenue's branding LanternWaste Dec 2011 #54

The female body was branded centuries ago lapislzi Dec 2011 #64

That's exactly it, and capitalism is raking in the dough now by degrading women. On the other hand Sarah Ibarruri Dec 2011 #69

Now, HERE'S a cart-and-horse question: lapislzi Dec 2011 #85

Hmm... good question! I think what's going on right now is unbridled capitalism Sarah Ibarruri Dec 2011 #90

i think another part of the equation is in the 70's and 80's seabeyond Dec 2011 #93

well said (nt) Tumbulu Dec 2011 #246

yep, objectification of the attractive female form is embedded deeply. Madison Avenue is made up BlancheSplanchnik Dec 2011 #97

Yes, absolutely, to the suggestion that women are pushed to triumph only via their looks Sarah Ibarruri Dec 2011 #147

agree!!! (nt) Tumbulu Dec 2011 #247

The elder branding does not deny the new branding... : LanternWaste Dec 2011 #116

It makes money. If you put a naked woman in front of a man, he'll spend money on it... Sarah Ibarruri Dec 2011 #65

it is pretty damn degrading to men, too. most just do not get the insult. nt seabeyond Dec 2011 #73

It is. As long as men have sperm, they will be creating daughters, and it'd be good if they were Sarah Ibarruri Dec 2011 #75

but what it does to men is take them away from their authentic self and creates a caricature seabeyond Dec 2011 #76

That's true too. It draws them as a mindless penis. Men are beautiful souls and capitalism gives Sarah Ibarruri Dec 2011 #82

agreed. nt seabeyond Dec 2011 #83

Sorry, "Mindless Penis" is my band name, and I have trademarked its usage. Warren DeMontague Dec 2011 #203

oxymoron getdown Dec 2011 #237

Redundant Oxymoron is my OTHER band name. Warren DeMontague Dec 2011 #241

Ha ha ha. Major Hogwash Dec 2011 #275

rilly? getdown Dec 2011 #277

rilly trooly. Warren DeMontague Dec 2011 #295

for what reasons getdown Dec 2011 #298

I'm not derailing anything. I'm objecting to the quantification of so-called "hyper-sexualization" Warren DeMontague Dec 2011 #299

no one claimed that getdown Dec 2011 #303

Oh, and I work for Rolling Stone, and I'm terrifed that objections from a few DU members Warren DeMontague Dec 2011 #300

are you interested getdown Dec 2011 #304

"effects" like "I am harmed by the presence of a semi-naked human on a magazine cover"? Warren DeMontague Dec 2011 #307

it's an honest question getdown Dec 2011 #310

and can you consider that this is yet another exercise in 'Merkin moral panic Warren DeMontague Dec 2011 #312

moral? getdown Dec 2011 #318

right. And that 'research' is even more bullshit than this is. Warren DeMontague Dec 2011 #322

congratulations getdown Dec 2011 #324

how about you post a link to the 'science' showing 'harm' from erotic images Warren DeMontague Dec 2011 #327

do you ever consider what it's like for someone beside yourself? getdown Dec 2011 #333

No, that's a link to another post by you. Warren DeMontague Dec 2011 #345

he is afraid you may want to take his porn away seabeyond Dec 2011 #313

this seems to be his porn getdown Dec 2011 #316

look, we get that pictures of nudity and sex make you mad Warren DeMontague Dec 2011 #323

look, we that the topic of gender inequality make you mad getdown Dec 2011 #325

you mean like arguing that 'pornification' makes breastfeeding less acceptable Warren DeMontague Dec 2011 #326

that would be lying on your part. you leave out the issue of that thread. PUBLIC seabeyond Dec 2011 #328

and where's the data showing less PUBLIC breastfeeding? Warren DeMontague Dec 2011 #329

where is your acknowledgment of you post misrepresenting what i posted nt seabeyond Dec 2011 #331

You're not going to get it, because I'm right. Warren DeMontague Dec 2011 #349

passing that off as a quote of mine? you quote it, put it in italics? that is beyond what i expect seabeyond Dec 2011 #350

no, that's a paraphrase. Warren DeMontague Dec 2011 #351

quotes and italics is a paraphrase to you? and it was not a parahrase. it was made up and wrong seabeyond Dec 2011 #352

aint that the pots calling the kettle black. Warren DeMontague Dec 2011 #353

ya. right. nt seabeyond Dec 2011 #354

ah, another dip of the toe? getdown Dec 2011 #330

it could, but there's no evidence it does. Because we are complex creatures who can walk & chew gum. Warren DeMontague Dec 2011 #344

funny. every time you see a "giant goofy balloon" getdown Dec 2011 #356

what can I say Warren DeMontague Dec 2011 #361

no evidence. really. getdown Dec 2011 #359

No, that's something you wrote. Warren DeMontague Dec 2011 #360

you can find getdown Dec 2011 #363

Ah, the old "go find it yourself". Bullshit. The "studies" are bogus "science" which is then used to Warren DeMontague Dec 2011 #364

you don't seem really interested getdown Dec 2011 #365

I'm very interested. Warren DeMontague Dec 2011 #366

um getdown Dec 2011 #371

Right. Again, another case of "I know what I know, because I know it"... except that's not science. Warren DeMontague Dec 2011 #372

i'm sorry getdown Dec 2011 #373

The onus is on you to back up the claim. You can't. Warren DeMontague Dec 2011 #382

total getdown Dec 2011 #386

exactly. Warren DeMontague Dec 2011 #397

Agree strongly. Delphinus Dec 2011 #111

Mexican TV channels were way ahead of the curve on this slackmaster Dec 2011 #55

it is also way ahead of the curve in a patriarchal misogynist society. so? nt seabeyond Dec 2011 #57

Mexico is what I view as a perfect capitalistic society - anything goes - mass poverty, mega-wealthy Sarah Ibarruri Dec 2011 #71

Yup, and the honest businessmen put more food for the birds chrisa Dec 2011 #80

Exactly. nt Sarah Ibarruri Dec 2011 #84

I stopped buying Rolling Stone YEARS ago, because of their brazen imbalance BlancheSplanchnik Dec 2011 #86

Let me ask you a question. Have you noticed an increase in shows about women tortured to death? Sarah Ibarruri Dec 2011 #98

We could start a whole new discussion thread about the link between porn and violence* lapislzi Dec 2011 #106

Yes! It would get crazy. the same 3 or 4 guys would be all nervous and jittery, proclaiming we are Sarah Ibarruri Dec 2011 #135

Well when you say things like Occulus Dec 2011 #341

sort of like how people would freak out over a thread saying abortion=breast cancer Warren DeMontague Dec 2011 #170

Breastfeeding=less breast cancer marzipanni Dec 2011 #305

as the race driver said... nasty. think when a woman sticks tits out for him, he is saying nasty? seabeyond Dec 2011 #306

funny, I'm in favor of breastfeeding AND I'm not mad about sex in magazines Warren DeMontague Dec 2011 #309

funny, ... then i am not addressing you, am i? nt seabeyond Dec 2011 #315

guess not, huh. Warren DeMontague Dec 2011 #317

Come back when getdown Dec 2011 #376

wait... Phish are coming back? Warren DeMontague Dec 2011 #383

nice try getdown Dec 2011 #387

hubby and i went thru this thread this morning. got a chuckle at some of it. seabeyond Dec 2011 #391

yes getdown Dec 2011 #392

This message was self-deleted by its author Warren DeMontague Dec 2011 #400

as a matter of fact,this morning i asked if he wanted to check out du. there are forums he would seabeyond Dec 2011 #401

This message was self-deleted by its author Warren DeMontague Dec 2011 #402

hm... well, if you ever got out of the sex threads, you would hear plenty over the years seabeyond Dec 2011 #403

This message was self-deleted by its author Warren DeMontague Dec 2011 #398

did the study suggest they never sexualize men? i think not. i believe your argument is a strawman seabeyond Dec 2011 #404

This message was self-deleted by its author Warren DeMontague Dec 2011 #405

you go getdown Dec 2011 #408

This message was self-deleted by its author Warren DeMontague Dec 2011 #409

"many of the reasons for not breastfeeding are linked to the sexualization of breasts" - um, ok Warren DeMontague Dec 2011 #308

yes, I have. BlancheSplanchnik Dec 2011 #108

Marginalization and contempt toward anything female is a good way to put it. Sarah Ibarruri Dec 2011 #122

thanks for all your excellent replies here! BlancheSplanchnik Dec 2011 #143

Same to you! I think you must be an instructor on the topic, or a writer! nt Sarah Ibarruri Dec 2011 #145

Awww, thanks! BlancheSplanchnik Dec 2011 #283

Sign language interpreters rock. I attended a wedding with a sign language interpreter. Sarah Ibarruri Dec 2011 #284

Wow wow wow!! I AM in Roch! BlancheSplanchnik Dec 2011 #285

OH MY GOD. NO WAY. Sarah Ibarruri Dec 2011 #286

YES WAY!! That would be Father Ray! BlancheSplanchnik Dec 2011 #289

Father Ray is a sweetiepie! Everyone feels good around him. Sarah Ibarruri Dec 2011 #290

Blanche, please explain and cite your source maggiesfarmer Dec 2011 #112

Here are just a few of many. Also note one that *directly* corrects your impression: BlancheSplanchnik Dec 2011 #138

thanks for taking the time to reply maggiesfarmer Dec 2011 #159

The more people complain the more it'll happen. Quartermass Dec 2011 #89

really? so we should just shut up? how has that been working for us? oh wait seabeyond Dec 2011 #91

Please explain nt Sarah Ibarruri Dec 2011 #92

In the entertainment world, there is no such thing as bad publicity. Quartermass Dec 2011 #105

You're right that it's said better bad publicity than none at all, HOWEVER, it is possible to label Sarah Ibarruri Dec 2011 #114

separate themselves from the oppressed group and be accepted as part of the positive majority seabeyond Dec 2011 #120

That explains Bobble Head Women perfectly. They want to side with what they interpret as 'victors' Sarah Ibarruri Dec 2011 #128

If you adore men, well, I know some feminists who would negatively criticize you for that. Quartermass Dec 2011 #129

and i do not know a single feminist that would have an issue with adoring men. especially as many seabeyond Dec 2011 #131

Nothing more wonderful than a male body, is there? If there is, I don't know it! Sarah Ibarruri Dec 2011 #133

You should read Valeri Solanas's Scum Manifesto. That's the kind of thing I've often encountered. Quartermass Dec 2011 #137

Okay, I went there... Sarah Ibarruri Dec 2011 #144

You should really read through the whole thing. Quartermass Dec 2011 #152

Well, you gotta admit... Sarah Ibarruri Dec 2011 #154

You are aware that pretty much nobody takes Valerie Solanas, a mentally ill woman, seriously REP Dec 2011 #225

You'd be surprised. Quartermass Dec 2011 #226

Yeah, and I knew this guy once who couldn't trust anything that bled every month and didn't die REP Dec 2011 #228

But is it really capitalism? Or simply culture? randome Dec 2011 #94

There's a culture thing, yes, but capitalism just drives it in, seals it, makes it solid. The media Sarah Ibarruri Dec 2011 #104

heh heh heh Warren DeMontague Dec 2011 #169

India and China are both far larger, very diverse, as well. closeupready Dec 2011 #109

Eh. India, for all its different religious viewpoints, is still a very religious country. randome Dec 2011 #127

A fairly strong majority of its readers are men…. NCTraveler Dec 2011 #96

X( Fire Walk With Me Dec 2011 #100

Hmm... :) nt Sarah Ibarruri Dec 2011 #101

I believe that we are not falling into negativity, in general, Fire Walk With Me Dec 2011 #148

That's definitely what I'm striving for! nt Sarah Ibarruri Dec 2011 #149

interesting perspective. seabeyond Dec 2011 #150

Anything more specific would be off-topic, but I hope the Trend will quickly become visible. Fire Walk With Me Dec 2011 #175

You are making claims that are not reportedly in the journal article... Taitertots Dec 2011 #113

We're a dysfunctional society when it comes to sex and relationships. dawg Dec 2011 #118

Scary to me too, and it is dysfunctional. Thank you for pointing that out. nt Sarah Ibarruri Dec 2011 #119

you got it right on. the issue here, is one gender may feel they have a oneupmanship seabeyond Dec 2011 #124

K&R Soylent Brice Dec 2011 #146

ROLLING STONE covers?!?! Eliminator Dec 2011 #151

Do you wear cleavage around your groin when you go out, so women can feast themselves on peeking Sarah Ibarruri Dec 2011 #157

My wife & I saw quite possibly the longest penis shot I've ever seen in a motion picture last night Warren DeMontague Dec 2011 #161

Whoever heard of SEX in ROCK AND ROLL??!?!?! What's next???? Warren DeMontague Dec 2011 #162

I love the Wiggles. Too bad my kids have kind of outgrown it. Jennicut Dec 2011 #183

After I saw Bill O'Reilly do a guest appearance on their show Warren DeMontague Dec 2011 #190

ZOMG! Think of the Children! Warren DeMontague Dec 2011 #156

I'll say it again: This is why we're getting our ass kicked by China and India. We churn out degrees Warren DeMontague Dec 2011 #160

I resent that sociology remark... Modern_Matthew Dec 2011 #187

I took soc classes in college, too. Warren DeMontague Dec 2011 #191

Economic demand for engineers is finite, just like the demand for everything else Hippo_Tron Dec 2011 #406

And what is the demand for studies quantifying "hyper-sexualization" in Rolling Stone covers? Warren DeMontague Dec 2011 #407

As I already said, there's little demand for that Hippo_Tron Dec 2011 #410

I agree wholeheartedly with your last sentence, and think that's absolutely what we should do. Warren DeMontague Dec 2011 #411

Again, there aren't a lot of jobs with 17th century French Poetry as a pre-requisite Hippo_Tron Dec 2011 #412

I'm also totally in favor of learning for the sake of learning. Warren DeMontague Dec 2011 #413

I should be able to access this article at my university. aikoaiko Dec 2011 #172

Thank you! nt Sarah Ibarruri Dec 2011 #181

I love this thread lapislzi Dec 2011 #174

well, except maybe the posts of beavis and butthead. i am assuming that is who a poster seabeyond Dec 2011 #177

LOL, for the amount of replies lapislzi Dec 2011 #178

ahhh seabeyond Dec 2011 #180

They do this shit to toddlers even Burma Jones Dec 2011 #179

Let's all be fuddy duddies. nt Modern_Matthew Dec 2011 #185

That's nothing. In Russia it went from zero to US levels in 20 years of Fool Count Dec 2011 #200

yes. and they have quite a nationwide scam for young hot chicks and really stupid seabeyond Dec 2011 #207

So, dawg Dec 2011 #212

Nice. Isn't capitalism just lovely. nt Sarah Ibarruri Dec 2011 #220

I think the word "hypersexualized" was made up expressly for the purpose of this one "study" Warren DeMontague Dec 2011 #202

Capitalism causing erectile dysfunction? Under Dog Dec 2011 #236

I'll check them out. :) Sarah Ibarruri Dec 2011 #258

Assigning numbers to a subjective judgment doesn't make it science. LeftyMom Dec 2011 #244

thank you. Warren DeMontague Dec 2011 #245

Do schools not explain how research works, or do kids not pay attention? LeftyMom Dec 2011 #248

Like I said upthread, it's by sociologists, for sociology professors, teaching sociology students Warren DeMontague Dec 2011 #249

Funny how your comments all through this thread sound almost exactly like GOP Florida Governor Rick Hissyspit Dec 2011 #255

Whatever. Sociology- which I studied in school myself- is a useful lens through which to look. Warren DeMontague Dec 2011 #293

As people have discussed in this thread, it is not completely subjective. Hissyspit Dec 2011 #253

I took a look at the methodology. LeftyMom Dec 2011 #270

Even trying to lodge that objection seems useless. People know what they know, and they're gonna be Warren DeMontague Dec 2011 #301

I have been observing this my adult life- am in my mid 50's Tumbulu Dec 2011 #250

Yes, but what happens if a child grows up with this garbage... Sarah Ibarruri Dec 2011 #257

Yes, I have a daughter who is ten and I am made crazy by it Tumbulu Dec 2011 #272

It's sad that little girls think dressing up like something out of Cosmopolitan is just fine... Sarah Ibarruri Dec 2011 #273

the parents say no. i had one mom tell me, all the girls do it, how can i say no seabeyond Dec 2011 #274

some here need help understanding the point you made getdown Dec 2011 #314

I'd venture to say that some in here get defensive every time a feminist speaks... Sarah Ibarruri Dec 2011 #319

well some women fall for it too, right? getdown Dec 2011 #320

Oh, absolutely! I call them Bobble Head Women. They nod to anything their man says Sarah Ibarruri Dec 2011 #321

Young women gain from this behavior flamingdem Dec 2011 #280

If a space alien watched TV in the US for four hours, he would conclude we sell three things.... Scuba Dec 2011 #261

EXACTLY. American TV is geared to males, and not to the wise ones, either! nt Sarah Ibarruri Dec 2011 #265

Pretty much EVERYTHING is geared toward men. And I'm one. randome Dec 2011 #268

FEMALE sexuality is being sold everywhere. nt Sarah Ibarruri Dec 2011 #269

This isn't all just geared to males. dawg Dec 2011 #287

Yes, however, this is also true: Why would a woman want to buy a product, if it weren't: Sarah Ibarruri Dec 2011 #288

This is not a surprise to me. Rex Dec 2011 #291

It sure does. Capitalism is not about love, goodness, fairness, or helping. Only $$$$$. Sarah Ibarruri Dec 2011 #292

Agree 100% Rex Dec 2011 #296

and getdown Dec 2011 #297

IMO this is why I often wonder if the "sexual revolution" was a complete disaster. Odin2005 Dec 2011 #334

misogynist "woman as virgin" meme to the equally misogynist "woman as whore" seabeyond Dec 2011 #336

that's a good answer getdown Dec 2011 #339

Yes! It went from the woman as helpless virgin, to the woman as whore Sarah Ibarruri Dec 2011 #337

And it encourages our rape culture. Odin2005 Dec 2011 #340

it seems the disconnect getdown Dec 2011 #342

Being prudish. But the problem lies with the media, TV, Hollywood, comics, videogames Sarah Ibarruri Dec 2011 #343

You're so right. Women continue to be placed in the role of either virgins or whores Sarah Ibarruri Dec 2011 #395

2 words getdown Dec 2011 #375

There's no doubt that playing whore makes money, but it sure as hell Sarah Ibarruri Dec 2011 #377

a form of pimping ensho Dec 2011 #389

Yes indeed, but all in the name of capitalism. Capitalism has no soul, and is amoral. nt Sarah Ibarruri Dec 2011 #394

K&R proverbialwisdom Dec 2011 #390

Good heavens! It's worse than I'd thought! nt Sarah Ibarruri Dec 2011 #393

The STUDY was of ROLLING STONE, IOW, the sexualization is in POP MUSIC. WinkyDink Dec 2011 #414

And you live in which country? nt Sarah Ibarruri Dec 2011 #418

and even when women aren't trying to be sexualized noamnety Dec 2011 #415

yup. so true, so true. a disgusting thread. nt seabeyond Dec 2011 #416

You're right. This isn't done only to Repuke females. It's worse with Sarah Ibarruri Dec 2011 #417