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sarisataka

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6. Simple, shooting is not

Sat Aug 6, 2016, 12:56 PM

Aug 2016

about killing. It is a skill sport.

Many Olympic sports are/ were about combat. Archery, boxing, fencing, javelin... and more are combat skills in a competitive format.

The pentathlon is a combination event testing all the skills considered necessary for a modern (19th century) soldier.

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Why are shooting sports still allowed at the Olympics? [View all] Matrosov Aug 2016 OP

Well, it's skill. No one is shooting at live targets. stopbush Aug 2016 #1

How many deaths in Chicago, Mexico City, Rio from Matrosov Aug 2016 #4

How many deaths by auto accidents? stopbush Aug 2016 #10

Big difference Matrosov Aug 2016 #16

Like the killer did in Nice? stopbush Aug 2016 #21

How many deaths from drowning? whistler162 Aug 2016 #13

Winner! 😂 lol AgadorSparticus Aug 2016 #15

Well nearly all sports involve one person dominating another so when you get right down to it hollowdweller Aug 2016 #153

Many school field days have done just that. woodsprite Aug 2016 #191

Mexico City is pretty safe, actually... a la izquierda Aug 2016 #92

How many from Olympic target shooters? N/T beevul Aug 2016 #157

Gun violence has claimed many lives, Music Man Aug 2016 #2

MY OPINION. shooting sports in the olympics is pure crap trueblue2007 Aug 2016 #12

Ok, your opinion. Others have different opinions, including gun control advocates. RelativelyJones Aug 2016 #32

Well, in my opinion so is marathon running Drahthaardogs Aug 2016 #59

my opinion. so is nose picking. trueblue2007 Aug 2016 #77

Javelins kill people Act_of_Reparation Aug 2016 #148

Nose picking with Javelins definitely kills people. n/t CincyDem Aug 2016 #154

My opinon, I don't care about your opinion Travis_0004 Aug 2016 #91

I had a conversation where an individual minimized death from shooting loyalsister Aug 2016 #25

marksmanship is not expressly meant for the killing of humans, people still hunt for food Demonaut Aug 2016 #3

And the fact that the skill facilitates faster and easier killing is a coincidence? loyalsister Aug 2016 #26

Knife skills are taught in cooking school. I am outraged that culinary institutes glorify violence emulatorloo Aug 2016 #29

How often do you see chefs killing people in the movies loyalsister Aug 2016 #47

How often do you see movies of KNIFE MURDERERS! I can think of many, starting with Hitchcock's emulatorloo Aug 2016 #51

How many children do myou see using squirt knives loyalsister Aug 2016 #52

There are no "squirt knives". However, there are "disappearing dagger" toys emulatorloo Aug 2016 #55

This happened in my family loyalsister Aug 2016 #58

So very sorry to hear about your cousins. My heart goes out to them. emulatorloo Aug 2016 #62

"Who Is Killing the Great Chefs of Europe?" tblue37 Aug 2016 #74

I think the biathalon in the winter olympics is an amazing sport cali Aug 2016 #5

I thought it was silly until I watched it jberryhill Aug 2016 #63

I was close to trying out for the '84 biathalon. MohRokTah Aug 2016 #65

It's probably one of the hardest to perform, physically. SeattleVet Aug 2016 #95

And if you are a crappy shot, you ski a penalty lap! Eleanors38 Aug 2016 #135

It's also one of the few sports where men and women compete together SeattleVet Aug 2016 #143

Simple, shooting is not sarisataka Aug 2016 #6

The Marathon. whistler162 Aug 2016 #14

Fencing as well? Drahthaardogs Aug 2016 #69

You have a point. I will say that the olympics don't have the events most gun nuts find exciting -- Hoyt Aug 2016 #7

You mean... Puha Ekapi Aug 2016 #56

No, I mean yahoos who need a gun in their pants to go out, like Zman. Hoyt Aug 2016 #57

I am glad... Puha Ekapi Aug 2016 #70

One or two At HOME for hunting and the unlikely need for self-dense. Hoyt Aug 2016 #72

I don't hunt.... Puha Ekapi Aug 2016 #83

some of us do... discntnt_irny_srcsm Aug 2016 #87

Point is, you should leave your gunz at home like most people unless Hoyt Aug 2016 #98

Kind of difficult going to the range when you leave your gunz at home. n/t Waldorf Aug 2016 #109

Another pointy finger gunner reader. BTW, what do you practice at the range? Hoyt Aug 2016 #110

I enjoy shooting at targets. I find it a relaxing hobby and meet some nice people there. Waldorf Aug 2016 #111

Ain't that nice. Could you just fantasize about shooting for good of society? Hoyt Aug 2016 #112

No, I'd rather take my firearms to the range and shoot them. Besides, about 99.99% of them are not Waldorf Aug 2016 #116

Are you opposed to range practice? Marengo Aug 2016 #114

View it as part of sick habit, but depends on what you fantasize about when squeezing the trigger. Hoyt Aug 2016 #115

What is sick about it? Nothing. n/t Waldorf Aug 2016 #118

That is your minority opinion, shared only by gun fanciers. Hoyt Aug 2016 #119

Minority opinion? 80-100 million gun owners (fanciers as you call them) owning 350 firearms Waldorf Aug 2016 #121

Do the math -- 25 - 33% of population. That a minority. And of that, a lot just have an old gun Hoyt Aug 2016 #129

No, Hoyt. The minority opinion, is that target shooting is sick... beevul Aug 2016 #160

hitting my paper plate in the center Duckhunter935 Aug 2016 #120

Sometimes I wonder if he thinks everybody at the range is just practicing to snipe someone from Waldorf Aug 2016 #123

I know Duckhunter935 Aug 2016 #124

How else are hunters supposed to become efficient and accurate with their firearms? Marengo Aug 2016 #122

that is a great question Duckhunter935 Aug 2016 #125

I don't understand the antagonism against range practice. Begs the question as to which he... Marengo Aug 2016 #126

It's not rocket science or a major athletic feat. Christ, have you ever seen some of those yahoos Hoyt Aug 2016 #130

So, if I were to loan you an M1 rifle and take you to a John C Garand match, you would shoot... Marengo Aug 2016 #132

He can not posses a firearm. oneshooter Aug 2016 #140

Hoyt is a prohibited person? Has he confirmed this? Marengo Aug 2016 #141

He did claim to have been an armed robber in his earlier years. oneshooter Aug 2016 #144

Interesting, I've asked him directly in this thread. Marengo Aug 2016 #146

Hoyt, are you prohibited from possessing a firearm? Marengo Aug 2016 #142

do did your right to own firearms get taken away by the government? snooper2 Aug 2016 #158

No, its ideological voodoo, hoyt. beevul Aug 2016 #162

Hoyt, are you prohibited from possessing a firearm? Marengo Aug 2016 #200

What do you fantasize about whilst rubbing the barrel? jack_krass Aug 2016 #138

Too many gunners mean this when they talk about "range" practice. Hoyt Aug 2016 #128

So? What of it? Marengo Aug 2016 #133

Are only skinny people allowed to practice? TipTok Aug 2016 #145

Apparently, over-weight white males practice for only nefarious reasons. Marengo Aug 2016 #147

Actually, it's easy going to the range without a gun. But stupid! Eleanors38 Aug 2016 #136

And you should leave your speech at home. beevul Aug 2016 #159

Who hunts at home? Duckhunter935 Aug 2016 #86

Post removed Post removed Aug 2016 #97

yes, some of us are smart enough Duckhunter935 Aug 2016 #100

My point is, genius, you leave your guns at home until going hunting (I'm talking deer, etc.). Hoyt Aug 2016 #117

Do you keep those pics saved in a text file or you have to google search each time? snooper2 Aug 2016 #156

Because they are Sports MicaelS Aug 2016 #8

this, and its a very popular sporting class in general Amishman Aug 2016 #24

Then why do we send pro athletes. I would also argue, any "sport" you Exilednight Aug 2016 #165

It's one of the 9 events from the first modern Olympics for one thing. Heeeeers Johnny Aug 2016 #9

How many people die from choking on a Kleenex? Lint Head Aug 2016 #11

My firearms were invented to save lives. ileus Aug 2016 #31

Zimmerman, Dunn, etc., felt the same way about their gunz. Hoyt Aug 2016 #36

Read about the origins of the gun. Or any other weapon for Lint Head Aug 2016 #54

... Javaman Aug 2016 #196

Automatic rocks? SCantiGOP Aug 2016 #103

So what? beevul Aug 2016 #163

Humans... deathrind Aug 2016 #17

A lot of traditional events are rooted in the martial tradition. Yo_Mama Aug 2016 #18

Good post. The ancient games were based primarily on combat arts and implememts. Eleanors38 Aug 2016 #38

And many modern sports are more or less obvious proxies for our warlike tendencies bhikkhu Aug 2016 #85

Love your point!! You phrased that so well. Yo_Mama Aug 2016 #127

"channeling" warrior tendencies into games is practice by a rainbow of cultures. Eleanors38 Aug 2016 #134

Yep awoke_in_2003 Aug 2016 #88

First gold medal awarded to American shooter oneshooter Aug 2016 #19

The world doesn't share your narrow opinion. former9thward Aug 2016 #20

This ^^^^^^^^^^ LastLiberal in PalmSprings Aug 2016 #105

Thats too far jcgoldie Aug 2016 #22

Because the military has always been a major part of malaise Aug 2016 #23

Yes, the surface-to-air missile competition makes this painfully obvious emulatorloo Aug 2016 #33

Study the Olympic Movement before the corporatie bosses moved in malaise Aug 2016 #34

Yes I'm aware of the politicization of the olympics. 1936 for example. Still doesn't make Archery emulatorloo Aug 2016 #41

There are powerful and influential international sports associations malaise Aug 2016 #42

I never said you did. I used summer 1936 as an example of political manipulation of Olympics emulatorloo Aug 2016 #44

Shooting has been a part of the modern Olympics since the first one in 1896. NuclearDem Aug 2016 #48

My personal fave is the Indiscriminate Carpet-Bombing, but I hear that's being dropped... PoutrageFatigue Aug 2016 #161

Why wouldn't the shooting sports not be allowed? ileus Aug 2016 #27

Thanks! Was unaware that the US shooting team caused a brutal bloodbath in Rio today emulatorloo Aug 2016 #28

No, but her assault air rifle was confiscated. Dr. Strange Aug 2016 #37

... emulatorloo Aug 2016 #39

Congratulations Uponthegears Aug 2016 #30

Self defense is never evil. MicaelS Aug 2016 #64

The evil is Uponthegears Aug 2016 #66

Vice President Biden suggested people get a shotgun for home protection. ripcord Aug 2016 #73

I'd wager.... Puha Ekapi Aug 2016 #89

He knows enough to know that a shotgun is better than a handgun or rifle FrodosPet Aug 2016 #188

the biggest issue beergood Aug 2016 #201

"....get a shotgun for home protection" EX500rider Aug 2016 #204

The problem is with what that inaminate object represents to those who lust for it Matrosov Aug 2016 #170

Not to be flippant Uponthegears Aug 2016 #199

"a firearm represents power - the ability to control others" beevul Aug 2016 #203

"need and a right to posses a gun for the purpose of self-defense is evil." beergood Aug 2016 #202

No doubt some groups are more targeted than others Uponthegears Aug 2016 #213

Plenty of people will answer that question "yes" - the risk is worth it. Millions in fact seem to. jmg257 Aug 2016 #222

Why are boxing XemaSab Aug 2016 #35

OFFS! MohRokTah Aug 2016 #40

pretty much dlwickham Aug 2016 #80

Possibly the only truly appropriate response to the OP. NT pablo_marmol Aug 2016 #176

bit of a stretch DustyJoe Aug 2016 #43

I know several competition shooters, and some serious hunters. Mopar151 Aug 2016 #45

Oy-fucking-vey! TransitJohn Aug 2016 #46

Aw... come on. You're just stirrin' shit, ain't ya? Ain't ya? cherokeeprogressive Aug 2016 #49

Haha! Oh DU! Never change! N/T actslikeacarrot Aug 2016 #50

Not everybody with a gun is a gun nut, the gun nuts just give other people a very bad name Warpy Aug 2016 #53

Come on... Calculating Aug 2016 #60

I don't agree... tallahasseedem Aug 2016 #61

Oh geez... pipoman Aug 2016 #67

Just when DU hits turd-gazing level of stupidity, over the top it goes! AngryAmish Aug 2016 #68

Gun nut here! duncang Aug 2016 #71

I disagree. Kaleva Aug 2016 #75

Olympic sports related to the art of war. JonathanRackham Aug 2016 #76

As a rated expert marksman rogerashton Aug 2016 #78

For America liberal N proud Aug 2016 #79

I'm anti-gun but I sure prefer them relayerbob Aug 2016 #81

I have no problem with it in the Olympics rockfordfile Aug 2016 #82

Because they're combat skills. SusanCalvin Aug 2016 #84

I would argue for it being removed as not a real sport mythology Aug 2016 #90

The entire world disagrees with you. pipoman Aug 2016 #108

I'm adding my voice to the "shooting is a sport" side Bucky Aug 2016 #93

I agree! Seeking Serenity Aug 2016 #94

Can't have ballroom dancing. MicaelS Aug 2016 #194

... LostOne4Ever Aug 2016 #96

I'm beginning to think Abq_Sarah Aug 2016 #99

USA! USA! USA! El Supremo Aug 2016 #101

it is a valid sport... chillfactor Aug 2016 #102

This does nothing to help your cause GulfCoast66 Aug 2016 #104

Praying that this is trolling Loki Liesmith Aug 2016 #106

Well, it's a skill you see. flvegan Aug 2016 #107

lol n/t fishwax Aug 2016 #113

Because ... Straw Man Aug 2016 #131

+1,000.......and BRAVO. NT pablo_marmol Aug 2016 #177

Apparently we should replace it with hand wringing. Throd Aug 2016 #137

Is this satire? aikoaiko Aug 2016 #139

I was wondering that myself. Act_of_Reparation Aug 2016 #149

Ha ha ha.........perfect response. pablo_marmol Aug 2016 #151

Lies? Matrosov Aug 2016 #168

"If gun nuts wouldn't enable civilian gun ownership, those with criminal records........ pablo_marmol Aug 2016 #172

"That there Constutition... don't give you the right not to be shot by one." friendly_iconoclast Aug 2016 #183

"Lies?" Yes. Lies. And it seems that you can't avoid telling them. pablo_marmol Aug 2016 #187

Enabling? Straw Man Aug 2016 #189

"If guns nuts wouldn't enable civilian gun ownership............ EX500rider Aug 2016 #205

How am I making fun? Matrosov Aug 2016 #169

Oh my. Well then, carry on. aikoaiko Aug 2016 #190

You are living in a fantasy world.... MicaelS Aug 2016 #195

More kids, families and innocent people are being wiped out by alcohol consumption pault420 Aug 2016 #150

Because target shooting is a skill. It's also fun. hollowdweller Aug 2016 #152

Is your OP meant to be taken seriously or as satire? NaturalHigh Aug 2016 #155

This thread is now officially being mocked Calculating Aug 2016 #164

ARFCOM thinks anyone with an IQ above room temperature is an idiot Matrosov Aug 2016 #167

It could honestly be argued........ pablo_marmol Aug 2016 #173

My issue is with 'shooting sports' legitimizing firearms and shooting Matrosov Aug 2016 #166

Your "moral" dilemma w/regard to guns is no different than a fundie's "moral" dilemma with gays. pablo_marmol Aug 2016 #174

Exactly- see the Robert Bork quote in post #184. Your post brought it to mind. friendly_iconoclast Aug 2016 #185

Thanks for that. Hard to keep track....... pablo_marmol Aug 2016 #186

Your 'issue' is merely Robert Bork's theory of 'moral harm', applied to a different subject: friendly_iconoclast Aug 2016 #184

So do you want to ban archery, too? Odin2005 Aug 2016 #193

We've had World Wars and nobody thought of banning them.... RagAss Aug 2016 #171

"I hope this OP is a joke." pablo_marmol Aug 2016 #175

I would disagree Matrosov Aug 2016 #207

The irony is hilarious. MicaelS Aug 2016 #209

Not looking to disarm LEOs and MIL Matrosov Aug 2016 #216

Of course you would disagree. pablo_marmol Aug 2016 #211

Millions of deaths per year is a gross exageration. Binkie The Clown Aug 2016 #178

K�roly Tak�cs is one of the most inspiring competitors of the modern games LongtimeAZDem Aug 2016 #179

Think of target shooting as bowling with explosives. TXIRISHWOMAN Aug 2016 #180

Why is boxing still an Olympic "sport?" stopbush Aug 2016 #181

JFC romanic Aug 2016 #182

Are you fucking serious? Odin2005 Aug 2016 #192

Yeah, I'm fucking serious Matrosov Aug 2016 #206

So you think every Dem who owns a gun is a wingnut posing as a Dem? Odin2005 Aug 2016 #210

Sadly Matrosov Aug 2016 #214

I'm sure you are serious. Straw Man Aug 2016 #212

It's not unwinnable Matrosov Aug 2016 #215

The complete surrender of armed power to the state is analogous to the legalization... Marengo Aug 2016 #217

It absolutely is unwinnable. Straw Man Aug 2016 #219

Ahhhhhh, the Olympics... melm00se Aug 2016 #197

Why are sports in general allowed at the Olympics? Glassunion Aug 2016 #198

Too many countires, including the US, still place cudos on marksmanship programs and the like. jmg257 Aug 2016 #208

Many high schools used to have shooting teams Matrosov Aug 2016 #218

Not used to, do. sarisataka Aug 2016 #220

I was on my high school shooting team. LP2K12 Aug 2016 #221

Not just shooting teams teach guns are acceptable - millions grow up learning that at home. jmg257 Aug 2016 #223

Do you realize that the Olympics have always been a contest of martial skills? Nuclear Unicorn Aug 2016 #224

Sad, but true: LongtimeAZDem Aug 2016 #225