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Moonwalk

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164. I'm confused. How serious a problem is this? I mean, really....

Thu Aug 11, 2016, 01:20 PM

Aug 2016

...I not trying to be flippant here, but I just don't understand the implied alarm or discomfort with what seems to me to be a reasonable thing. We have to win this election. And so we have to pay attention, for now and the next 90 days, to what Trump is doing and saying. He IS the republican candidate. And we did the same when Obama was up against McCain and then Romney. I didn't see anyone fretting that we weren't discussing issues back then--not when we were all shocked by Romney's "percent" remark.

So, why does this focus on the republican candidate and what he's saying (and what he would likely do if elected) lead you to the assumption that we aren't discussing issues, and/or will not discuss issues 90 days from now? Why do you believe without Bernie Sanders we've somehow lost our way and can't return to discussing issues until and unless he comes back?

I want to understand. Please explain.

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Anyone else noticed that without Senator Sanders, discussion of issues has all but disappeared? [View all] grahamhgreen Aug 2016 OP

Now that you mention it, my dear grahamhgreen... CaliforniaPeggy Aug 2016 #1

So talk issues. Or just listen to Hillary's speeches on many issues. Hortensis Aug 2016 #28

She's out discussing issues EVERY DAY. Sad that some who appear to be interested miss those talks. George II Aug 2016 #44

Umhm. It's 100% our own choice to miss or focus on issues. Hortensis Aug 2016 #46

That's my point. If people aren't aware of the focus on issues, they don't want to be. George II Aug 2016 #47

Oh, mine too, George. :) Hortensis Aug 2016 #49

So here is the problem of an ebarrassment of riches: she has such detailed plans and policy Squinch Aug 2016 #182

Sad for sure, Squinch. The TV news does very little discussion Hortensis Aug 2016 #200

Excellent post lillypaddle Aug 2016 #134

Graham, how about HRC's $275 B plan for new roads Hortensis Aug 2016 #48

You mean the Infrastructure bank plan Poincare Aug 2016 #76

No, that's not what I mean. People who go to college Hortensis Aug 2016 #78

No President has saidsimplesimon Aug 2016 #168

Too true to a large degree. Without presidential leadership, Hortensis Aug 2016 #171

Well, my dear Califirnia Peggy... R. Daneel Olivaw Aug 2016 #95

and what is your contribution to this discussion? KMOD Aug 2016 #103

My contribution is astute observation. R. Daneel Olivaw Aug 2016 #110

Not on ideas or events, however. Hortensis Aug 2016 #138

You think so? I don't. Squinch Aug 2016 #197

Eleanor is a woman saidsimplesimon Aug 2016 #169

I crave serious discussion about what to do about ISIL Vattel Aug 2016 #2

Honest question.... stevil Aug 2016 #79

Only an ill-informed opinion that Obama's approach is roughly the correct one. Vattel Aug 2016 #107

Agree stevil Aug 2016 #115

Well... Gaytheist212 Aug 2016 #142

Thanks for the post of the month in terms of serious discussion. Vattel Aug 2016 #172

I agree about the Kurds. Vattel Aug 2016 #173

The truth is there is very little we can do. Demsrule86 Aug 2016 #181

Dicussion of anything other than Trump's latest comments inwiththenew Aug 2016 #3

In the news? I totally agree. Bob Buttons Aug 2016 #75

I'm confused. How serious a problem is this? I mean, really.... Moonwalk Aug 2016 #164

Actually, no. madamesilverspurs Aug 2016 #4

Hillary talks about issues everyday! Trump and the media do not. Laurian Aug 2016 #5

Well, today in Iowa she was talking about . . . gratuitous Aug 2016 #8

But it wasn't out of BS's mouth, so our friend graham didn't hear it. Squinch Aug 2016 #183

^^^THIS^^^ Auggie Aug 2016 #150

What is the correlation with Sanders you're referring to? procon Aug 2016 #6

What needs to be discussed? stopbush Aug 2016 #7

Thanks for that dose of reality. As you said, the Dems spent FOUR days "discussing" the issues. nt Tarheel_Dem Aug 2016 #15

The 'platform', a stepping-stone, gets jettisoned, Ghost Dog Aug 2016 #85

Sounds like you assume it's jettisoned already, Ghost Dog. Hortensis Aug 2016 #98

Vital issues. Ghost Dog Aug 2016 #102

Reality is that almost always politicians can Hortensis Aug 2016 #105

I have no idea what you're talking about? Tarheel_Dem Aug 2016 #104

Thank you, Miss Cleo. How much do I owe you? emulatorloo Aug 2016 #149

Has the legislation been written, sponsored, or introduced for loweringg the Medicare age? grahamhgreen Aug 2016 #16

of course not, the legislature is not in session at the moment Johnyawl Aug 2016 #17

Cmon, wouldn't take more than a day... grahamhgreen Aug 2016 #84

Call up Ryan and McConnell and tell them that. Johnyawl Aug 2016 #101

she sponsored it in 2001 KMOD Aug 2016 #21

Allows buy in at 62. But this is great! Will show it around. Would love to have updated version. grahamhgreen Aug 2016 #87

Hillary HAS committed to lowering the Medicare age Hortensis Aug 2016 #83

Absolutely! The link above is very good! grahamhgreen Aug 2016 #89

Bernie's plan was called "Medicare for All," and Hortensis Aug 2016 #99

And, quite frankly skepticscott Aug 2016 #22

Yes, I don't understand why more people don't understand that dynamic. Fla Dem Aug 2016 #116

anyone else notice that Senator Sanders HIMSELF has "all but disappeared" nt msongs Aug 2016 #9

Now that you mention it ... NurseJackie Aug 2016 #32

Is he pulling a "Clean Gene" act? Jakes Progress Aug 2016 #59

He's buying his $600,000 house; can't be too focused on issues right now. Liberal_Stalwart71 Aug 2016 #151

I see your point but Trump's lunacy would still prevail in the news eleny Aug 2016 #10

Some have borrowed her platform & some have called for her murder. misterhighwasted Aug 2016 #11

Be careful! This could be construed as bashing a democrat and will be deleted. n/t Pryderi Aug 2016 #12

You poor dear. Squinch Aug 2016 #184

It's hard to stick to the issues when one candidate eissa Aug 2016 #13

If it's really true that you want to actually hear what the candidate is saying, you certainly..... Tarheel_Dem Aug 2016 #14

Also, Hillary's policy positions and plans have been available to the public for the better Squinch Aug 2016 #185

"This crediting Sanders for everything is obnoxious and dumb." Tarheel_Dem Aug 2016 #202

False Premise. With Sanders, Media Focused on the Math TomCADem Aug 2016 #18

Is there a link to that speech? I'll definitely Rec anything with policy positions, thanks! grahamhgreen Aug 2016 #90

Here is a link to all her speeches - updated daily ehrnst Aug 2016 #133

Why don't you start a thread on that speech, since you want to discuss policy? Squinch Aug 2016 #186

And the powers that be win again rufus dog Aug 2016 #19

I'm confused. Are you saying that the focus here on Trump rather than issues... Moonwalk Aug 2016 #53

I think the media is always looking for the diversion rufus dog Aug 2016 #67

I don't disagree that it's destructive, but let's be real here... Moonwalk Aug 2016 #100

So you want to focus on the issues at hand, but your post is about someone who isn't even Squinch Aug 2016 #187

Hillary has been fighting to reduce the medicare age to 55 KMOD Aug 2016 #20

Well... Trump seems to be discussing them! I hope Hillary is taking notice. That's the FighttheFuture Aug 2016 #23

Trump talks about issues? Dr Hobbitstein Aug 2016 #135

I know its hard to believe, but he does occasionally hit on things like free-trade, NAFTA, etc. that FighttheFuture Aug 2016 #144

That's very concerning. You should be concerned about that for us. Squinch Aug 2016 #198

I am. You should be as well. Don't be a typical lazy ignorant voter that exist om all sides. FighttheFuture Aug 2016 #203

You shouldn't lecture people you know nothing about on subjects you know nothing about. Squinch Aug 2016 #204

Just as you shouldn't dismiss legitimate concerns in such a sarcastic manner from people you FighttheFuture Aug 2016 #205

When I see legitimate concerns, I don't dismiss them. Squinch Aug 2016 #206

So you are saying that "free-trade"--Trade agreements as Treaties and all that goes with it, FighttheFuture Aug 2016 #207

My, my. What a big straw man you built for yourself there! Squinch Aug 2016 #208

Only in your mind. FighttheFuture Aug 2016 #209

August is all about the drama Blue_Adept Aug 2016 #24

When ur Cryptoad Aug 2016 #25

Post removed Post removed Aug 2016 #26

Hillary has been running solely on issues. KMOD Aug 2016 #29

Uhm, if you say so. cleanhippie Aug 2016 #30

I like smilies, too KMOD Aug 2016 #34

Are you really interested? She's been speaking on issues all along. misterhighwasted Aug 2016 #40

I also say so. Hillary's a notorious policy wonk Hortensis Aug 2016 #51

This is exactly why I've always liked her. xmas74 Aug 2016 #174

Me too, 100%. Despite the criticism some are trying to make stick, Hortensis Aug 2016 #175

I like being bored, just a bit, xmas74 Aug 2016 #178

Yes. She gave a talk at Stanford about counterterrorism Hortensis Aug 2016 #179

Uhm, if you actually listened to the candidate. Jakes Progress Aug 2016 #61

Yeah, to those who don't hate her to the point of not paying a bit of attention you can see she's... uponit7771 Aug 2016 #111

Issues are secondary ......stop trump is primary.... beachbumbob Aug 2016 #27

So why not post an OP about issues? cwydro Aug 2016 #31

I was wondering the same thing Andy823 Aug 2016 #65

True dat. cwydro Aug 2016 #81

Those pesky others! Squinch Aug 2016 #189

That's why I included the Medicare thing. Opting in at 55, and providing a public option are huge! grahamhgreen Aug 2016 #92

That's your policy discussion? Squinch Aug 2016 #190

Because the real motive behind this call for "discussion of the issues" was to push for Squinch Aug 2016 #188

The media loves the Trump slow motion train wreck for higher ratings than issues. . . . nt Bernardo de La Paz Aug 2016 #33

If you don't think Clinton is discussing issues you aren't watching/reading the same news others are George II Aug 2016 #35

Exactly. DawgHouse Aug 2016 #42

+1 uponit7771 Aug 2016 #112

No, I noticed no such thing DFW Aug 2016 #36

That the media prefers to focus on Trump's dumbfuckery TacoD Aug 2016 #37

That train left a LONG TIME AGO davidn3600 Aug 2016 #38

I, and millions of others are voting KMOD Aug 2016 #43

I will also be voting with great satisfaction FOR Hillary, FOR progress. Bongo Prophet Aug 2016 #80

Indeed. KMOD Aug 2016 #82

100% WRONG. For millions it's ALL about issues. Hortensis Aug 2016 #74

Nope. Squinch Aug 2016 #191

No, it's exactly the same as when Sanders was in the race, issues-wise oberliner Aug 2016 #39

No, 45 talks about issues all the time. DawgHouse Aug 2016 #41

I see what you did there! ;) Liberal_Stalwart71 Aug 2016 #152

Heh heh Squinch Aug 2016 #192

I see a lot fewer "Hillary's gonna get indicted" threads. JoePhilly Aug 2016 #45

Amen Grassy Knoll Aug 2016 #57

Well there does remain a...miasma...of "concern" ismnotwasm Aug 2016 #64

Yea ... but most of those are pretty weak and transparent. JoePhilly Aug 2016 #68

Me too ismnotwasm Aug 2016 #69

Its nice to have DU supporting Democrats again. JoePhilly Aug 2016 #71

So true ismnotwasm Aug 2016 #162

Thank god. No way Washington will indict Clinton. Last time I saw Christie and Hillary, grahamhgreen Aug 2016 #93

How are those two facts related? Is that you talking about issues? Squinch Aug 2016 #193

That and "Just you wait until CA!!11" Starry Messenger Aug 2016 #109

+1 uponit7771 Aug 2016 #114

No. Just less flame fests. And I don't miss that shit. SunSeeker Aug 2016 #50

So many issues discussed in this thread alone... think Aug 2016 #52

Without the primary, I see a lot less arguing and much more discussion on DU. MichiganVote Aug 2016 #54

It takes at least two to have a conversation. alfredo Aug 2016 #55

No etherealtruth Aug 2016 #56

As those of us familiar with Warhammer and Eldrad of Ulthwe like to say... Shandris Aug 2016 #58

Churn, churn, churn. Jakes Progress Aug 2016 #60

Now now, there have been plenty of posts about the important issue of BS buying a new vacation home CBGLuthier Aug 2016 #62

No. ismnotwasm Aug 2016 #63

Issue threads sink like a rock. NCTraveler Aug 2016 #66

Lots of education issues addressed. Thanks, NCtraveler. Hortensis Aug 2016 #88

OMG. 3 recs. We can do better, surely. grahamhgreen Aug 2016 #97

Talking issues right now GulfCoast66 Aug 2016 #70

A Trump noise problem not a Sanders or Hillary problem... in the media NotHardly Aug 2016 #72

Issues here? No. GD16 has rarely discussed issues. nt riderinthestorm Aug 2016 #73

I second that motion but we may as well hold our breath. nt Doremus Aug 2016 #77

I believe this post is about DU, not the media. That Guy 888 Aug 2016 #86

Post removed Post removed Aug 2016 #91

Just hoping this will lead to more policy posts.... grahamhgreen Aug 2016 #94

Ain't gonna happen. R. Daneel Olivaw Aug 2016 #96

Well, that explains ornotna Aug 2016 #108

One not need to go off their own lake R. Daneel Olivaw Aug 2016 #113

So very, very true. ismnotwasm Aug 2016 #163

. Squinch Aug 2016 #194

As expected. nt LWolf Aug 2016 #106

Lol. No, I haven't noticed such things but given that Donald trump La Lioness Priyanka Aug 2016 #117

Nope. johnp3907 Aug 2016 #118

We have regressed into the Batshit Crazy vs. Emails portion of the election season. Vinca Aug 2016 #119

Yes. CentralMass Aug 2016 #120

No. betsuni Aug 2016 #121

No. Loki Aug 2016 #122

What do you think they speak about on the campaign stops and town halls? IronLionZion Aug 2016 #123

No. But maybe it feels that way to some because the main "issue" was R B Garr Aug 2016 #124

It's hard to talk issues when there's a clown on stage lighting his farts on fire & smearing poop on Warren DeMontague Aug 2016 #125

There is only ONE issue now lapfog_1 Aug 2016 #126

When the nazis are kicking down your door workinclasszero Aug 2016 #127

https://www.hillaryclinton.com/issues/ <- yes, 'issues' detail seem to be missing from this link Sunlei Aug 2016 #128

It's still there. Click on "Health" TwilightZone Aug 2016 #132

Thanks, when I click the word 'issues' on the website, no detail of issues shows anymore Sunlei Aug 2016 #137

"Issues" just takes one to the main issues page. TwilightZone Aug 2016 #139

Thanks, the top menu link issues- https://www.hillaryclinton.com/issues/ Sunlei Aug 2016 #143

It's Hillary's fault that the Corporate Media Liberal_Stalwart71 Aug 2016 #129

Nope. What I noticed is detailed policy speeches by Clinton being overshadowed by the latest... Nitram Aug 2016 #130

No 66 dmhlt Aug 2016 #131

Are you saying that there is no discussion here on Hillary's issues? ehrnst Aug 2016 #136

Anyone can bring up issues in an original post. MineralMan Aug 2016 #140

Yes. It's very odd, isn't it? If he wanted to discuss issues, why does't he discuss issues? Squinch Aug 2016 #201

Absolutely have. zentrum Aug 2016 #141

What does that even mean? I guess you haven't watched any of HRC's speeches, lately? MADem Aug 2016 #145

It means "all DU'ers are stupid low information voters except fo me" emulatorloo Aug 2016 #147

Mmmm hmmm! nt MADem Aug 2016 #148

Exactly! Also: "YOU PEOPLE never talk about important issues! To show how bad that is, I'll talk Squinch Aug 2016 #195

+1. Agreed, and "thinly-veiled" is being kind. R B Garr Aug 2016 #155

HRC just NOW gave a wonderful speech where she talked about increasing wages MADem Aug 2016 #166

No. But thanks for stirring the pot. emulatorloo Aug 2016 #146

+1, I wonder if I started a thread entitled, "Isn't it great Bernie Sanders is gone R B Garr Aug 2016 #154

Very good question. Squinch Aug 2016 #196

It would be like fireworks: a brief, beautiful burst of light, then nothing. betsuni Aug 2016 #199

The primaries are over. nt Lisa0825 Aug 2016 #153

I've noticed fewer posts linking to HA Goodman. (That's good, right?) NurseJackie Aug 2016 #156

Is this an OP to bring up a false narritive? Almost everyday there is posts here linking still_one Aug 2016 #157

Definitely noticeable. egduj Aug 2016 #158

I already know where Hillary stands on the issues. Gamecock Lefty Aug 2016 #159

She is giving a major economic speech today, which will include tuition free college, et. I wonder still_one Aug 2016 #161

No. sheshe2 Aug 2016 #160

We don't need anything to divide the HRC and BS primary supporters obamanut2012 Aug 2016 #165

The media coverage is shaped by the nature of the contest they're covering. Jim Lane Aug 2016 #167

Well, Trump's idiocy has sucked all the air out of the room. alarimer Aug 2016 #170

No. WhiteTara Aug 2016 #176

It's getting pretty bad. This morning I had a post hidden for asking questions. B Calm Aug 2016 #177

NO I didn't. Demsrule86 Aug 2016 #180