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MicaelS

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43. Too bad.

Mon Aug 15, 2016, 05:59 PM

Aug 2016

Having someone to ask you to be their life partner is MORE important than winning a medal, and gender has nothing to do with it. If you think some medal is more important than love, that is pretty warped.

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3 women are being honored with medals -- and 1 man decides to make it about him. [View all] pnwmom Aug 2016 OP

Jeez. Iggo Aug 2016 #1

Oh, let those crazy kids have both. Much happiness to them. nolabear Aug 2016 #2

You don't think he stepped on the moments of the Gold and Bronze winners when he jumped pnwmom Aug 2016 #9

Oh, I hadn't thought of that. Perhaps so. But I wouldn't think it sexist. Thoughtless, perhaps. nolabear Aug 2016 #11

The stories that said an engagement ring is a bigger prize than an Olympic medal pnwmom Aug 2016 #13

Okay, but that's not the betrothed. I'm not denying sexism is rampant and ridiculous in these games nolabear Aug 2016 #33

Well apparently, the guy was "forcing his life choices" on others. Tommy_Carcetti Aug 2016 #34

Sorry, I don't see how this justifies outrage. Tommy_Carcetti Aug 2016 #3

Right. Because a woman whose just gotten a gold medal should OF COURSE pnwmom Aug 2016 #4

It happened after the end of the ceremony. Tommy_Carcetti Aug 2016 #6

He climbed up on the stage with the winners. He didn't belong there. He should have waited pnwmom Aug 2016 #8

Something tells me that the Gold Medalist is going to be just fine. Tommy_Carcetti Aug 2016 #10

And the Bronze winner? And all the women and girls who are being told in media reports pnwmom Aug 2016 #12

From the looks of it watching yesterday, the Bronze medalist looked thrilled to have won a medal. Tommy_Carcetti Aug 2016 #17

The Bronze medalist shouldn't have had to share attention with the guy who jumped on the stage pnwmom Aug 2016 #19

The guy was probably caught up in the moment. Sheesh. Give him a break. Tommy_Carcetti Aug 2016 #20

No, he planned it, obviously. No one carries a ring to a public event without knowing pnwmom Aug 2016 #22

Well, isn't he just an awful person for doing that? Tommy_Carcetti Aug 2016 #26

He planned that she'd medal in the event? jberryhill Aug 2016 #60

He planned to give it to her after her event. And he knew there was a likelihood she'd pnwmom Aug 2016 #64

"Probably" is effective grease when moving weighted goalposts. LanternWaste Aug 2016 #23

That was a pukeworthy quote right there. alarimer Aug 2016 #97

Value judgment of human relationships. AtheistCrusader Aug 2016 #178

I agree. I'd rather have my husband than a medal. But an engagement ring isn't a PRIZE pnwmom Aug 2016 #181

Whatever you do, don't watch Batchelor/Batchlorette AtheistCrusader Aug 2016 #232

Don't get me started! pnwmom Aug 2016 #234

It was after the ceremony melman Aug 2016 #14

They were still on the stage in front of the cameras. And he wasn't one of the winners. What don't pnwmom Aug 2016 #16

You seem to have invested quite a lot in Butthurt, Inc stock today. Dreamer Tatum Aug 2016 #95

No, it wasn't. The ceremony was still happening. Squinch Aug 2016 #52

Wrong melman Aug 2016 #72

Photographs of the three women were still being taken when he showed up pnwmom Aug 2016 #99

So there he is up on the stage where the ceremony is still happening and the three winners Squinch Aug 2016 #172

The ceremony was done with. Tommy_Carcetti Aug 2016 #173

If it was done, they wouldn't be alone on the stage with only olympic officials when he came up. Squinch Aug 2016 #187

Have you been watching the Olympics? Tommy_Carcetti Aug 2016 #191

It was the ceremony. He was not a winner, he did not belong where he was. Squinch Aug 2016 #196

The ceremony was done with. nt Tommy_Carcetti Aug 2016 #205

Nope. Squinch Aug 2016 #211

Okay, so exactly when does the ceremony end? Tommy_Carcetti Aug 2016 #214

That's not the ceremony melman Aug 2016 #238

I think you should get a plane ticket to Rio Stat! snooper2 Aug 2016 #137

Sorry, I don't see how this justifies outrage. AlbertCat Aug 2016 #75

What utter crap... PoutrageFatigue Aug 2016 #5

I would say that he shat all over the gold medalist's and bronze medalist's moment in the spotlight. pnwmom Aug 2016 #7

Ugh leftstreet Aug 2016 #24

Salon is the one who inserted "make an honest woman".... ProudToBeBlueInRhody Aug 2016 #28

The AP could have phrased their article better, but the entire Salon piece just comes off... Tommy_Carcetti Aug 2016 #32

It's crappy. It is her moment for her accomplishment. And it was the moment Squinch Aug 2016 #40

Did you miss the part about him proposing AFTER THE MEDAL CEREMONY? PoutrageFatigue Aug 2016 #47

Did you miss the part that NO IT WASN'T? It was DURING the medal ceremony. Squinch Aug 2016 #49

Check the video. Tommy_Carcetti Aug 2016 #63

Yep. There he is up on the stage with the three women who won the event, Squinch Aug 2016 #160

One more "Trust me" and I'm going to think I'm talking to Donald Trump here. Tommy_Carcetti Aug 2016 #175

I thought the same when you said "trust me," which is why I lampooned it. And Squinch Aug 2016 #189

He was off to the side. Tommy_Carcetti Aug 2016 #192

He was on the stage where only the winners and the olympic offical were. He did not belong there. Squinch Aug 2016 #197

Talk about reading comprehension. pnwmom Aug 2016 #66

Here's the video. You can get back to me with an apology after you watch it PoutrageFatigue Aug 2016 #83

I've seen it. And the women were still standing up there together, having photos taken, pnwmom Aug 2016 #84

Wrong. Not even worth a quick grin. PoutrageFatigue Aug 2016 #87

No, they weren't. Captain Stern Aug 2016 #134

The women were off the podium but on the larger stage, standing together as a group, pnwmom Aug 2016 #135

So not during the ceremony then? PoutrageFatigue Aug 2016 #141

The reporters at the scene used the word "during." And the women were not walking toward pnwmom Aug 2016 #142

The byline to the photo you linked to in the OP said AFTER PoutrageFatigue Aug 2016 #143

It is coercive, not romantic. alarimer Aug 2016 #98

Don't you think that should be HER choice? FBaggins Aug 2016 #128

That's the whole point, and the question, isn't it? skepticscott Aug 2016 #147

How do you know that he didn't consider it? FBaggins Aug 2016 #155

If he had considered it honestly skepticscott Aug 2016 #163

Professing his love for the woman he wants to partner with for the rest of his life... PoutrageFatigue Aug 2016 #140

If he's asking her in that situation skepticscott Aug 2016 #148

And you know this how? PoutrageFatigue Aug 2016 #151

For better reasons skepticscott Aug 2016 #153

So, in other words you've got nothing. PoutrageFatigue Aug 2016 #156

i don't find it romantic at all when it's done in that way JI7 Aug 2016 #268

This too! Squinch Aug 2016 #159

An engagement ring is a bigger "prize" than a silver medal? Quantess Aug 2016 #15

Call me unromantic, but I'm not a fan of public marriage proposals davidn3600 Aug 2016 #18

Me, neither. pnwmom Aug 2016 #21

Hear, hear! smirkymonkey Aug 2016 #25

I can't stand them melman Aug 2016 #30

I'm not a fan either SickOfTheOnePct Aug 2016 #37

If a male Olympian gets engaged, how many people would think that a new ring is a bigger prize? pnwmom Aug 2016 #42

Zero. sarae Aug 2016 #74

I'm not an olympian GummyBearz Aug 2016 #92

That's not the issue. The point is that the media is acting like the proposal is a bigger deal pnwmom Aug 2016 #93

I will say a prayer that they are not scared for life from this happening GummyBearz Aug 2016 #100

So say your wife worked her whole life to achieve something, like say she got a degree Squinch Aug 2016 #162

So ridiculous GummyBearz Aug 2016 #267

Ask your wife now. I bet she has an opinion about this. Squinch Aug 2016 #272

After watching the clip she said GummyBearz Aug 2016 #278

I think those who are flaming here about bad feminists have created a hysteria that is only Squinch Aug 2016 #279

Especially if his fiance skipped up to the stage during his medal ceremony, got all the Squinch Aug 2016 #161

I think it's more romantic... liberalmuse Aug 2016 #55

I think it's really annoying that the AP called the proposal an "even bigger prize". sarae Aug 2016 #27

Did you see this? PeaceNikki Aug 2016 #29

LOL pnwmom Aug 2016 #35

!!! sarae Aug 2016 #73

To you maybe it's not a bigger prize SickOfTheOnePct Aug 2016 #39

A silver medal is worth about $300 FBaggins Aug 2016 #130

So this obsession with public proposals is not just a U.S. thing. tanyev Aug 2016 #31

I wonder if over-the-top destination weddings are only a U.S. thing. nt JustABozoOnThisBus Aug 2016 #36

What a stupid, self-righteous, mean-spirited article. Donald Ian Rankin Aug 2016 #38

And from your perspective, there's nothing wrong with the AP writer saying that getting a man pnwmom Aug 2016 #41

Too bad. MicaelS Aug 2016 #43

Yeah, right. That's what society has always told men. pnwmom Aug 2016 #44

How about the other two medalists? It was crappy. Squinch Aug 2016 #50

The other two medalists had already left the platform Tommy_Carcetti Aug 2016 #54

Both the article in the OP and this other article say it was during the ceremony. pnwmom Aug 2016 #59

The video clearly shows the others walking away after they take the picture. Tommy_Carcetti Aug 2016 #65

Watch.The.Video. PoutrageFatigue Aug 2016 #88

I did. They were still taking pictures when he inserted himself into the group photo, pnwmom Aug 2016 #89

Nope. They'd already left the podium. PoutrageFatigue Aug 2016 #90

The three women were standing on the stage having their pictures taken together. pnwmom Aug 2016 #91

Nope. The video shows different. Squinch Aug 2016 #171

If you interrupt the moment of triumph that your life partner has worked toward Squinch Aug 2016 #164

Thank you. Again, for those who don't seem to get it, he interrupted her Nay Aug 2016 #239

The three women have won the title of best divers in the world. And what is everyone talking about? Squinch Aug 2016 #263

i find these type of public proposals a turn off and nothing romantic about it JI7 Aug 2016 #45

I agree with everything you have said. DawgHouse Aug 2016 #46

If she was the only one on the podium, it would have been ok... joeybee12 Aug 2016 #48

Exactly. And from her as well. Squinch Aug 2016 #51

It wasn't during the ceremony. Tommy_Carcetti Aug 2016 #53

Multiple reports say it was during the ceremony. Like this one: pnwmom Aug 2016 #58

Again, the video. Tommy_Carcetti Aug 2016 #67

The video clearly shows him walking up to the woman and interrupting her moment with the others. n/t pnwmom Aug 2016 #76

The video disproves the original claim melman Aug 2016 #78

No, it doesn't. The young woman were still on the stage, together, having photos taken pnwmom Aug 2016 #80

Yours is even better than the one I posted...but who are you going to believe? PoutrageFatigue Aug 2016 #86

I think it was incredibly sweet. librarylu Aug 2016 #133

That was my first thought. Kingofalldems Aug 2016 #56

What if a girlfriend ran up to a gold medal winner and told him she was pregnant? Ilsa Aug 2016 #57

LOL. Good question. n/t pnwmom Aug 2016 #68

so the bride to be and other winners were in on it and ok with it and you only blame the man lol nt msongs Aug 2016 #61

The bride to be wasn't in on it. And what were the other women supposed to say pnwmom Aug 2016 #69

They would say.... Tommy_Carcetti Aug 2016 #70

So you're saying they didn't really meant it when they said it didn't bother them melman Aug 2016 #101

They were making polite statements, as people often do. n/t pnwmom Aug 2016 #102

You know better melman Aug 2016 #105

Women are taught to be polite and not reveal negative feelings in public. pnwmom Aug 2016 #106

Really? deathrind Aug 2016 #62

Yes. "Making it about you" is the ultimate in bad form. n/t lumberjack_jeff Aug 2016 #71

Is this one OK? AlbertCat Aug 2016 #77

Did it happen during a medal ceremony? Squinch Aug 2016 #165

Did this one happen during a medal ceremony? Tommy_Carcetti Aug 2016 #174

Yes. Squinch Aug 2016 #188

The very idea that men should be allowed at the Olympics is problematic. AngryAmish Aug 2016 #79

I'm gonna K&R this OP. Raine1967 Aug 2016 #81

Its just a silver Travis_0004 Aug 2016 #82

Just a silver? In the Olympics? What about the gold and bronze winners who got their moment pnwmom Aug 2016 #85

They seem to be fine with it FBaggins Aug 2016 #131

Nice moment for the couple - tough shit if anyone doesn't like it nt Dreamer Tatum Aug 2016 #94

Plus a brazillion. opiate69 Aug 2016 #231

Please stop with the fucking public proposals. alarimer Aug 2016 #96

Maybe we could ask He Zi for her opinion before declaring the whole episode sexist. bluestateguy Aug 2016 #103

She's not the only one involved. There were the gold and bronze winners who had their celebration pnwmom Aug 2016 #104

Agree canetoad Aug 2016 #107

Seriously? This is what modern feminism is about now? The Straight Story Aug 2016 #108

Yea we women are always 'bitter' when we speak out.... BooScout Aug 2016 #110

Stating an opinion is SO bitter! And stating opinions makes for bad feminists. Just so you know. Squinch Aug 2016 #274

Don't bother me.... BooScout Aug 2016 #277

I'm not bitter. I just don't think this is the message society should be sending to our daughters -- pnwmom Aug 2016 #118

Have you ever heard an athlete saying winning the Super Bowl or World Series..... ProudToBeBlueInRhody Aug 2016 #244

Has a Super Bowl winner's girlfriend ever interrupted the ring ceremony Squinch Aug 2016 #273

Someone makes a comment and you extrapolate that it is what modern feminism is ALL about. Squinch Aug 2016 #167

You know what's sad and annoys the hell out of me? BooScout Aug 2016 #109

The women that were actually involved melman Aug 2016 #112

None of us know what they really felt. Most women would understand that women are trained to be pnwmom Aug 2016 #114

Exactly! BooScout Aug 2016 #117

Yeah, she'd be called a castrating bitch! nt Nay Aug 2016 #240

But you're absolutely willing to presume to speak for their real thoughts mythology Aug 2016 #253

You know this how? BooScout Aug 2016 #116

Because they said so melman Aug 2016 #120

A reporter asked and they acted like they were fine with it. "Acted" being the operative word. pnwmom Aug 2016 #121

Exactly. BooScout Aug 2016 #122

No what's really telling melman Aug 2016 #125

No shit. 'Don't listen to them, WE know what they really meant'... PoutrageFatigue Aug 2016 #144

Women make nice and men believe them. Because if too many women said what they really think pnwmom Aug 2016 #241

This happens all the time at the finish line of tough mudder or spartan race. AtheistCrusader Aug 2016 #111

Regardless of the genders, I don't think anyone should tag onto an event like this pnwmom Aug 2016 #113

So say after the next men's event, a woman goes up on the stage while the three Squinch Aug 2016 #169

Strawman. AtheistCrusader Aug 2016 #176

Not a strawman. It's the exact same scenario. Squinch Aug 2016 #190

Not even close. nt Tommy_Carcetti Aug 2016 #194

Exactly the same. Squinch Aug 2016 #198

So Qin Kai walked up in the very middle of the picture taking... Tommy_Carcetti Aug 2016 #201

Essentially, yes. Squinch Aug 2016 #210

Essentially? Exact same thing? Or..... Tommy_Carcetti Aug 2016 #216

In reality, not at all. AtheistCrusader Aug 2016 #229

Again, does not match the video of the actual event. AtheistCrusader Aug 2016 #228

Chinese girls will be fine without being lectured by Western women on what to be offended by. redgreenandblue Aug 2016 #115

I'm not blaming the young woman -- she was surprised by it. It's the young man who pnwmom Aug 2016 #119

They are women. Nuff said. BooScout Aug 2016 #123

The OP was concerned about "what message this sends to girls". redgreenandblue Aug 2016 #124

Yea....they have a history of murdering female babies in China... BooScout Aug 2016 #126

Yes. The Chinese need a lesson in their own history by Americans. redgreenandblue Aug 2016 #127

You are focused on the one athlete but there were two others whose moment onstage, pnwmom Aug 2016 #139

It isn't ethnocentric. This is a fad in the US, also. And the AP that carried the story about pnwmom Aug 2016 #138

K and R Euphoria Aug 2016 #129

Maybe you should ask HER opinion before getting all outraged? Odin2005 Aug 2016 #132

She's not the only one involved. There were two other women, the gold and bronze winners, pnwmom Aug 2016 #136

Except they didn't. They'd received their medals, heard the anthems and left the podium. PoutrageFatigue Aug 2016 #145

They were still on the stage having group photos taken. pnwmom Aug 2016 #146

Watch.The.Video. PoutrageFatigue Aug 2016 #154

Wait - so he did NOT get into the middle of the ceremony to propose? It was over? jmg257 Aug 2016 #158

Apparently so... PoutrageFatigue Aug 2016 #168

The women were still on the stage, posing together for photos, when he interrupted. pnwmom Aug 2016 #200

Again: They were done with the photos. Take a look at the video. Tommy_Carcetti Aug 2016 #203

Ha - you should meet my wife - she must have missed that class. jmg257 Aug 2016 #227

LOL, yeah you know men are such assholes and all..... ProudToBeBlueInRhody Aug 2016 #248

You are revealing YOURSELF. I made no generalized comments about men. Just about the actions pnwmom Aug 2016 #249

"Women are trained to be polite and supportive" ProudToBeBlueInRhody Aug 2016 #254

No, you are the one drawing that implication, not me. n/t pnwmom Aug 2016 #257

OWNED Loki Liesmith Aug 2016 #183

I'm not big on attention-whoring public proposals in sports anyway Blue_Tires Aug 2016 #149

*sigh*. Now you're just trying to pee in our corn flakes Taitertots Aug 2016 #150

How sweet. All the best to them. (nt) bigwillq Aug 2016 #152

Ew. I haven't been following the Olympics very closely, but I did see a clip of this and catbyte Aug 2016 #157

He took her moment - and that of the other two medal winners kiva Aug 2016 #166

I have the same impression that you do -- pnwmom Aug 2016 #185

Seems like the opinions are either for or strongly against, and the division is along clear Squinch Aug 2016 #170

Thanks, I think you've nailed it. pnwmom Aug 2016 #186

The idea is very deeply ingrained that approval or affection from men or a man Squinch Aug 2016 #193

I'm a man and I make no apologies for my position. MicaelS Aug 2016 #258

Well, bully for you. Squinch Aug 2016 #261

Happened again!! Although slightly different circumstances... bullwinkle428 Aug 2016 #177

Well he's just subjugating her and corralling people into his lifestyle choices and blah blah blah. Tommy_Carcetti Aug 2016 #180

Completely different circumstances . He didn't jump on stage and get in the middle pnwmom Aug 2016 #195

Differences aside, that didn't happen in this instance, either. Tommy_Carcetti Aug 2016 #199

They were still getting their picture taken when he went on the stage and stood with them. pnwmom Aug 2016 #202

No. They weren't. Tommy_Carcetti Aug 2016 #204

No it doesn't. The photographers were still taking pictures of the women when he turned up, and the pnwmom Aug 2016 #208

He was to the side. He wasn't in the shot. Tommy_Carcetti Aug 2016 #212

Multiple shots were being taken by multiple cameras. This one doesn't show him. n/t pnwmom Aug 2016 #224

There was press all around the stage and they took pictures. Tommy_Carcetti Aug 2016 #233

The ceremony WAS still happening, but aside from that, what is EVERYONE talking about? Squinch Aug 2016 #213

Actually I watched the event on TV the night before and didn't know about the proposal until.... Tommy_Carcetti Aug 2016 #218

The basic takeaway: Tommy_Carcetti Aug 2016 #179

Was He Zi upset? Loki Liesmith Aug 2016 #182

She wasn't the only one. What about the gold and bronze medal winners whose moment onstage pnwmom Aug 2016 #184

The gold and bronze winners don't need to be infantilized Loki Liesmith Aug 2016 #207

I doubt if most Olympians agree their medal comes from "a corrupt international drug and pnwmom Aug 2016 #209

And I would anticipate that most non-sociopaths would like their loved ones to Squinch Aug 2016 #215

Well, they did seem devastated by it. Tommy_Carcetti Aug 2016 #217

Oh, look! Three medal winners on the stage! What is that photo about? Their great Squinch Aug 2016 #219

You do know that this was a press photo taken after the ceremony, right? Tommy_Carcetti Aug 2016 #220

Yes, I know, but it was supposed to be a press photo about the winners, wasn't it? Squinch Aug 2016 #221

I'm sorry, did someone strip those women of their medals? Tommy_Carcetti Aug 2016 #222

Someone eclipsed their moment in the sun with their own little scene. n/t pnwmom Aug 2016 #225

Again, that press photo about the three olympic winners - what was it about? Squinch Aug 2016 #226

They don't keep Olympic records as to who gets engaged at the games. Tommy_Carcetti Aug 2016 #230

Except in that moment when their accomplishment was celebrated, someone else Squinch Aug 2016 #260

A lot of assumptions are being made in this thread on both sides Shankapotomus Aug 2016 #206

This is exactly the sort of shit Egnever Aug 2016 #223

+1 Marr Aug 2016 #252

I'm sure those feminists are devastated by your opinion. Squinch Aug 2016 #262

Clearly not cause they keep doing stupid shit like this Egnever Aug 2016 #264

FTW... PoutrageFatigue Aug 2016 #270

Again, your opinion is everything. Squinch Aug 2016 #271

This is the sort of nonsense the lable "SJW" was used for before it was turned into a RW slur. Odin2005 Aug 2016 #269

The lable (sic) SJW was never used before it was a RW slur. It's a tell. Squinch Aug 2016 #275

I mean, halfway around the world some nine-year-old girl who was never allowed to go to school NuclearDem Aug 2016 #276

Yawn. closeupready Aug 2016 #235

It was a proposal like no other ever in history lunatica Aug 2016 #236

He's an Olympic diver. She's an Olympic diver. Tommy_Carcetti Aug 2016 #237

You do understand two other women were on that podium.... BooScout Aug 2016 #246

See Post 215. Not my words. Tommy_Carcetti Aug 2016 #247

Oh no, more patriarchal upstaging of women by men with a marriage proposal!!! ProudToBeBlueInRhody Aug 2016 #242

Not at all the same. The woman proposed-to wasn't approached onstage after getting a medal, pnwmom Aug 2016 #243

As I said.....ALL GOOD WINK WINK ProudToBeBlueInRhody Aug 2016 #245

Seriously, this is just sadly bitter. Marr Aug 2016 #250

So, women are dishonest before some male asks them to marry them? I never could understand appleannie1 Aug 2016 #251

You'll have to ask Salon's Mary Elizabeth Williams what she meant ProudToBeBlueInRhody Aug 2016 #255

Mark this date, because we agree on something! :-) REP Aug 2016 #256

A few days ago an NBC announcer threw out some sexist implication still_one Aug 2016 #259

Yeah but before that comment, the swimmer herself had credited her husband for her success davidn3600 Aug 2016 #265

You'd think people never watched the Olympics before melman Aug 2016 #266