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70. But these two didn't file a police report or vandalize anything

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Thu Aug 18, 2016, 02:08 PM

Aug 2016

They were just with the other two guys who did.

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This message was self-deleted by its author [View all] Are_grits_groceries Aug 2016 OP

brazil will gladly forgive any and all alleged issues for a nice cash donation nt msongs Aug 2016 #1

Sure, because White Americans and Europeans are the only one who have decency OBenario Aug 2016 #94

Most US & EU Central & South American trade agreements force those countries into abject poverty. TheBlackAdder Aug 2016 #99

No, a judge did jberryhill Aug 2016 #2

Oh FFS! Are_grits_groceries Aug 2016 #3

Would you like someone blaming the US for some shit from Judge Roy Moore? jberryhill Aug 2016 #5

Oh FFS! I NEVER mentioned the judge's gender. Are_grits_groceries Aug 2016 #7

"Who knows who was involved in the decision?" jberryhill Aug 2016 #18

Well, the judge IS a government official. Adrahil Aug 2016 #6

First, it's "she" jberryhill Aug 2016 #8

Thanks. She. Adrahil Aug 2016 #9

They aren't charged with anything jberryhill Aug 2016 #10

Ordering passports seized? Adrahil Aug 2016 #11

Can you provide a link to the thread where you are outraged about this: jberryhill Aug 2016 #12

A murder vs a potential robbery? B2G Aug 2016 #14

A potential robbery in which the perps were said to be "dressed as police" jberryhill Aug 2016 #15

So if you report a crime in Brazil, you can end up being stuck there for who knows how long? LisaL Aug 2016 #17

You can get hung up in any country's legal system jberryhill Aug 2016 #19

How about if you vandalize a gas station and fight with a security guard? jberryhill Aug 2016 #20

Just getting home and reading this info from you now so thanks for posting earlier Person 2713 Aug 2016 #103

If you report a false crime, yes. Making up claims of crime is a crime in Brazil n/t OBenario Aug 2016 #95

That judge is an embarrassment for judges everywhere. SunSeeker Aug 2016 #4

The Olympics have been a success. cwydro Aug 2016 #13

By the measure of the anticipated clusterfuck, yeah jberryhill Aug 2016 #16

I don't judge Olympics by the opening show, but by how the games were run. SunSeeker Aug 2016 #23

Damn straight. roamer65 Aug 2016 #65

Agreed. Brazil has put on a great Olympics. The Opening ceremony was just as entertaining FSogol Aug 2016 #32

Are you so certain about that now? onenote Aug 2016 #31

Even if Lochte made it up, it is an abuse of power to arrest someone for embarrasing your country. SunSeeker Aug 2016 #34

Material witnesses. onenote Aug 2016 #51

There are no grounds to arrest "material witnesses," especially for a petty misdemeanor. SunSeeker Aug 2016 #110

And these louts are the definition of the Ugly Americans malaise Aug 2016 #107

Neither side looks good here. nt SunSeeker Aug 2016 #108

I don't know why they did it jcgoldie Aug 2016 #21

Even if Lochte made it up, why arrest these two guys? SunSeeker Aug 2016 #24

Obviously Brazil is trying to clear its reputation jcgoldie Aug 2016 #30

It is an abuse of power to arrest somone just to clear up a press story. SunSeeker Aug 2016 #36

they potentially broke the law - pulling them off the plane is perfectly appropriate DrDan Aug 2016 #37

Potentially? They were not charged with a crime. SunSeeker Aug 2016 #38

vandalized a gas station - paid off the owner - then filed a false report DrDan Aug 2016 #40

No charges yet. So no grounds to arrest and detain these two. SunSeeker Aug 2016 #42

sorry you don't like it - but you can be held while charges are being sorted out DrDan Aug 2016 #44

It is a violation of human rights. nt SunSeeker Aug 2016 #45

good try - but no it is not DrDan Aug 2016 #48

You couldn't possibly be more wrong. opiate69 Aug 2016 #50

You couldn't possibly be more wrong. SunSeeker Aug 2016 #111

No it isn't mythology Aug 2016 #53

But these two didn't file a police report or vandalize anything oberliner Aug 2016 #70

No, you don't arrest someone without charges. SunSeeker Aug 2016 #41

they could be placed in custody here - typically up to 72 hours - while the DrDan Aug 2016 #43

Cite the statute please. SunSeeker Aug 2016 #46

depends on the state - but . . . DrDan Aug 2016 #47

and here DrDan Aug 2016 #49

You still must have grounds. Otherwise, it is false arrest.nt SunSeeker Aug 2016 #54

And the police had the surveillance video from the store opiate69 Aug 2016 #55

Neither of the two arrested on the plane offered a "fairy tale" to anyone. SunSeeker Aug 2016 #112

that is what the time period is for - to determine which charges will be brought DrDan Aug 2016 #56

you have to have "probable cause" - which they have DrDan Aug 2016 #59

What crime by these two does this evidence show? SunSeeker Aug 2016 #80

they lied to the police DrDan Aug 2016 #81

They are not charged with that. nt SunSeeker Aug 2016 #83

they are still deciding the charges - hence kept in Brazil DrDan Aug 2016 #84

No one is even claiming or suggesting charges will be brought against these two. SunSeeker Aug 2016 #87

you should be listening to the press conferrence - the Police Chief just said DrDan Aug 2016 #88

Police Chiefs are always right. SunSeeker Aug 2016 #89

that ranks right there with Lochte's latest statement - the video provided to police DrDan Aug 2016 #91

The initial clip shown was edited, without the part where the swimmers were hit up for money. SunSeeker Aug 2016 #106

"one US Swimmer admitted others lied about robbery" DrDan Aug 2016 #90

There are no charges the two pulled off the plane lied to police. nt. SunSeeker Aug 2016 #92

there are no charges of anything yet - those are potentially coming DrDan Aug 2016 #93

There is no evidence Conger and Bentz lied to police, DrDan. SunSeeker Aug 2016 #97

You have a Brazilian law degree? Ace Rothstein Aug 2016 #77

Do you? SunSeeker Aug 2016 #78

No, but I'm not the one making definitive statements about what is allowed/not allowed. Ace Rothstein Aug 2016 #79

Do you disagree that arrest without charges is a violation of human rights? nt SunSeeker Aug 2016 #82

that is just plain silly DrDan Aug 2016 #85

It depends on the potential charges. Ace Rothstein Aug 2016 #86

Sounds like the swimmers lied and the Brazilians acted entirely appropriately. Nye Bevan Aug 2016 #22

How is yanking these two swimmers off a plane "acting appropriately"? SunSeeker Aug 2016 #25

Even in the US, material witnesses to a crime can be and are detained. Nye Bevan Aug 2016 #26

They're in Brazil. They're subject to Brazilian law. stopbush Aug 2016 #27

More than a whiff of "affluenza" in this case. Nye Bevan Aug 2016 #33

Yep. Not to mention that the worst tme to concoct such a lie stopbush Aug 2016 #35

Exactly. It's Bullingdon club behavior and vile. suffragette Aug 2016 #66

lied to police? filed a false report? DrDan Aug 2016 #28

No one filed a police report. The "crime" Lochte and Feigen are accused of carries no jail time. SunSeeker Aug 2016 #113

Reports are they have the swimmers on security camera piechartking Aug 2016 #29

They also have video from the Olympic village of the wallet they said was stolen n/t Tempest Aug 2016 #39

How is that they lied about being robbed!?!?! uponit7771 Aug 2016 #58

they made it up . . . and filed a false report DrDan Aug 2016 #64

The reports are wrong. There is no video of them "kicking down a door." SunSeeker Aug 2016 #115

Filed false police reports. That's a crime. CBGLuthier Aug 2016 #62

No one "filed false police reports." SunSeeker Aug 2016 #114

100% agreed relayerbob Aug 2016 #52

So wait, they weren't robbed at all?! thx in advance uponit7771 Aug 2016 #57

It would appear not (nt) jcgoldie Aug 2016 #60

I never believed his story. cwydro Aug 2016 #67

Lochte told him mommy he was robbed Skittles Aug 2016 #109

The thing about justice in other countries is that they don't play by our rules liberal N proud Aug 2016 #61

filing a false police report is a crime both here and in Brazil DrDan Aug 2016 #63

But these two didn't do that oberliner Aug 2016 #71

apparently they made statements to the police substantiating the robbery DrDan Aug 2016 #72

Do you have a link to that? oberliner Aug 2016 #73

. DrDan Aug 2016 #74

also the paragraph following the one I provided DrDan Aug 2016 #75

is the death penalty harsh? Enrique Aug 2016 #98

Grits, I appreciate that your post is a fair one, with good questions rather suffragette Aug 2016 #68

Looks like the judge smelled something funny in their story Warpy Aug 2016 #69

Well this whole thing has turned into a clusterfuck. NaturalHigh Aug 2016 #76

The US swimmers turned this into an international incident HerrKarlMarx Aug 2016 #96

I agree, and wouldn't any normal person want to be on best behavior.. lostnfound Aug 2016 #100

Got it in one. truebluegreen Aug 2016 #101

They all owe an apology to the people of Rio. And after that , to other US Olympic participants IMO Person 2713 Aug 2016 #105

How many judges is that? madinmaryland Aug 2016 #102

Thank God this didn't happen on Cheney's watch Bucky Aug 2016 #104