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hunter

(38,264 posts)
35. U.S. Catholics are a very diverse group, similar to Jewish people.
Fri Sep 2, 2016, 05:21 PM
Sep 2016

You can find any sort you like, from right wing authoritarian assholes to progressive social democrats who are indistinguishable in their politics from socialist atheists.

I happen to exist in a very progressive and pacifist Catholic community which is for the most part second and third generation Hispanic, Filipino and wild west white people. No Trump supporters there. I've also lived in "conservative" Catholic communities where the Priests are dumber than rocks and the old people are still bitching about Vatican II and slapping kids who don't dress up for Mass.

My ancestors were frontier Catholics, Jews, and Anabaptist pacifists living in the heart of Mormon territory. They were valued as people who could settle disputes outside of backstabbing Mormon politics. A few of them were water-masters and surveyors, later managing the phone lines too. And a few of them were purveyors of alcohol and French postcards. As teens both my grandfathers dreamed of owning gas stations, repairing the automobiles of travelers, and conducting other delicate business on the side. Damned all of them were thoroughly contaminated by the Irish too.

My mom wanted to be a nun when she was a kid. She was jumping through the hoops. Then she met a leering hard drinking hard smoking venal Catholic priest. That was when her Berserker genes asserted themselves.

My mom still had a bunch of kids Catholic style, drove a car with "Choose Life" license plate frames, but her method of preventing abortions was to be an evangelist for birth control and happy safe consensual sex. Me and my siblings were all terrified we'd have unplanned for children because my mom told us she'd take them as her own if we could not, and none of us wanted the three bedroom house to be any more crowded.

I was changing babies' diapers when I was ten years old. I knew babies were a messy business. I also knew where they came from.

When I was a teen my mom had a local radio show and she invited the Bishop who was in town to speak. It was a perfectly lovely show, how we should support the local Mexican farmworker community and everything.

After the show, myself an unfortunate witness, my mom brought up the issue of a local pedophile priest who'd been transferred to Ireland. The argument ended in a literal queen of all she surveys bitch-slapping match that my mom won. No, not just words, but actual bitch slapping. Later that year my mom ghost-wrote a ferociously anti-Catholic book for someone who'd been abused as a child.

I'm a son of a bitch.

Nevertheless, I'm some kind of Catholic. That's my community. Human baby souls do not get to choose their parents or where they will be born. It's all fucking random.

My wife and I enjoyed a big Catholic Wedding and I was terrified the night before, not about getting married, but that my mom or her literally religiously insane wild west mother (who was later buried in a plain wooden box with a Star of David on it) would make some kind of scene. My dad's dad did not attend our wedding because I was, in his own words, marrying a "Mexican Girl."

He got over that.








One issue I agree with him on...nt Wounded Bear Sep 2016 #1
I'll never figure out Christians who are happy to trash their god's creation... hunter Sep 2016 #2
My RW BIL is one of those. Glassunion Sep 2016 #9
Other things he says are sins: trotsky Sep 2016 #3
Catholics are 25% of the population -- an important swing vote. So it isn't pretending pnwmom Sep 2016 #4
And on the items I mentioned, they're important swing votes for Republicans. trotsky Sep 2016 #5
Not true. Pope Francis and the majority of Catholics do not prioritize pnwmom Sep 2016 #7
Absolutely true. trotsky Sep 2016 #8
As I said, American Catholics reject that view. Even those who consider abortion a sin, pnwmom Sep 2016 #13
Some American Catholics reject it. The majority do not. trotsky Sep 2016 #14
The majority of Catholics reject the Church's views on reproductive issues. pnwmom Sep 2016 #16
PNWMOM is supplying sources to support her premise, while you merely allege "facts." LanternWaste Sep 2016 #18
Oddly enough, my facts have links to surveys and data. trotsky Sep 2016 #19
You linked to a pre-convention Pew poll. I linked to an August ABC news poll. pnwmom Sep 2016 #22
Knee-jerk bigotry against a religion is as noxious as any other, Hortensis Sep 2016 #24
You can go ahead and like and admire a man who wants the following: trotsky Sep 2016 #38
Doesn't stick in my craw at all. I take extremely seriously Hortensis Sep 2016 #41
My female and LGBTQ friends/family mean more to me than platitudes. trotsky Sep 2016 #42
That total person thing, Trotsky. Hortensis Sep 2016 #43
Sorry, but I won't accept bigotry, or policies that devalue women. trotsky Sep 2016 #44
But, IMO you DO accept bigotry in Francis's case, the Hortensis Sep 2016 #45
It's not bigotry to oppose a bigot. trotsky Sep 2016 #46
You aren't trying to understand. The bigotry Hortensis Sep 2016 #47
Look again JonLP24 Sep 2016 #37
In other words: Act_of_Reparation Sep 2016 #20
IOW, Catholics, based on a variety of concerns, are swinging away from Trump and toward Clinton. pnwmom Sep 2016 #21
In other words: Act_of_Reparation Sep 2016 #25
The Pope is strongly pro-environment, and pro- the poor, and pro- refugee and immigrant. pnwmom Sep 2016 #26
They remain popular positions nevertheless. Act_of_Reparation Sep 2016 #27
There is far more emphasis in the typical Catholic Sunday service on issues regarding the poor than pnwmom Sep 2016 #28
I don't find personal experience very compelling. Act_of_Reparation Sep 2016 #30
That's the United States Conference of Catholic Bishops, not "The College of American Bishops". rug Sep 2016 #36
I guess his progressive cred bounce from Sanders' visit a few months back is pretty much over. LanternWaste Sep 2016 #17
U.S. Catholics are a very diverse group, similar to Jewish people. hunter Sep 2016 #35
Have I ever claimed otherwise? trotsky Sep 2016 #39
If one considers "dominion" to mean stewardship, he has a point... malthaussen Sep 2016 #6
Post #9 Glassunion Sep 2016 #10
i was always taught stewardship.....as a prot must add that dembotoz Sep 2016 #40
Oh, good. LittleDuckie Sep 2016 #11
LOL trotsky Sep 2016 #12
With Pope Frank magicnpoetry Sep 2016 #15
Pope Francis is right again. Hieronymus Sep 2016 #23
A broken clock is right twice per day, so is Francis Albertoo Sep 2016 #29
"A willful blindness to the rise of Islamism"? The Church has been concerned about that pnwmom Sep 2016 #31
In medieval times, maybe. Francis? No. Albertoo Sep 2016 #32
I've been hearing warnings about it since Pope John Paul. n/t pnwmom Sep 2016 #34
I find it hard to take anything a pope says seriously on the environment. roamer65 Sep 2016 #33
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