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LUV capitalism!!! Study shows hyper-sexualization of women by the media has increased 10 fold... [View all]
Sarah Ibarruri
Dec 2011
OP
Quite. It was no surprise to me. One would have to be an idiot to not notice...
Sarah Ibarruri
Dec 2011
#13
Phony statistical quantifications of bs terms like "hypersexualization" AREN'T 'science' at all.
Warren DeMontague
Dec 2011
#211
"As it turns out...." Um, I'm not a puppet on the end of your wrist.
Warren DeMontague
Dec 2011
#347
I'm not condemning the whole field. As I said downthread, I think sociology is a useful lens through
Warren DeMontague
Dec 2011
#346
It's striking because they made up the criteria and then -surprise- found a 'striking' increse in it
Warren DeMontague
Dec 2011
#380
The Kardashians ARE part of the media. We wouldn't even know who they are without the media.
Sarah Ibarruri
Dec 2011
#6
there is a better way. we had it for a little while until we went to pornification and girls/women
seabeyond
Dec 2011
#142
i get it. you are part of the asshole group. and you wear it with pride. i hear ya.....
seabeyond
Dec 2011
#167
i dont know why you put you in quotes, but, i am glad you did not think i was being mean. nt
seabeyond
Dec 2011
#198
If I posted Denis Leary's "I'm an asshole" in the "assholes check in thread"
Warren DeMontague
Dec 2011
#201
i dont give a shit what you buy. it is really not about rolling stone. but no surprise
seabeyond
Dec 2011
#206
hey, i am sorry you can't get no... satisfaction. hey hey hey..... i know you have tried and tried
seabeyond
Dec 2011
#215
each one of my words is a multi-faceted font of wisdom pearls which operates on multiple levels
Warren DeMontague
Dec 2011
#219
I'm not for prudery or "sticky" and I think you know that...Good try, though n/t
whathehell
Dec 2011
#186
I'm sure it's way easier if you're fielding a whole shitload of paddles.
Warren DeMontague
Dec 2011
#396
Seems to me like you need to either write a book on this or teach a class
Sarah Ibarruri
Dec 2011
#74
Draining and infuriating. I get pissed off when I see women pornified in magazines, TV and movies
Sarah Ibarruri
Dec 2011
#136
Is Rolling Stone now a adequate scientific proxy for "the media" or "capitalism"?
cthulu2016
Dec 2011
#5
not only empowering, but an excitement and titillation at seeing 2 hour and 45 minute of violence
seabeyond
Dec 2011
#21
I'm embarrassed at my ignorance but I don't know what The Girl with the Dragon Tattoo is about...
Sarah Ibarruri
Dec 2011
#26
why give them the money empowering hollywood to use explicit graphic drawn out rape of women as
seabeyond
Dec 2011
#30
I seldom watch American movies because they lend themselves to the degradation of women...
Sarah Ibarruri
Dec 2011
#51
Yes. European movies such as the "Irreversible" or "Tie Me Up, Tie Me Down" show rape the right way
Snake Alchemist
Dec 2011
#102
You assume I watch everything. However, Hollywood's plastic, surgically-altered idiotic female
Sarah Ibarruri
Dec 2011
#107
Indy movies are wonderful! And they use actors that are not the typical Barbie-cookie-cutter
Sarah Ibarruri
Dec 2011
#123
What is a multi-directional DVD player? I've got to have one if it can get all
Sarah Ibarruri
Dec 2011
#218
Yes, Hollywood does ruin things. I recently took my niece - she's 11 - to see Breaking Dawn, the
Sarah Ibarruri
Dec 2011
#155
Vulgar, and not at all like the book. I'm not saying the book was a classic...
Sarah Ibarruri
Dec 2011
#262
It's not an article. It's the complete, published study, if you desire to examine it. nt
Sarah Ibarruri
Dec 2011
#117
So someone who has defined "sexualization" and "objectification"- two totally subjective, bs terms-
Warren DeMontague
Dec 2011
#158
" We keep churning out degrees in crap like "sociology" when we should be teaching students math"
Hissyspit
Dec 2011
#235
"pornified."says it all. this is what we do to our women and girls today. and IF
seabeyond
Dec 2011
#16
Yeah, don't you love it? Automatically 2 or 3 guys that love the pornification of women cry and
Sarah Ibarruri
Dec 2011
#20
I never thought about it, that homophobia and sexism could go hand in hand. I suppose the same
Sarah Ibarruri
Dec 2011
#282
and I think the people who get all angry over depictions of hetero sex are bugged by gay sex too.
Warren DeMontague
Dec 2011
#302
Toddlers and tiaras takes the pornification to women all the way to the level of little girls - sick
Sarah Ibarruri
Dec 2011
#22
damn that is good. i was listening to a poster saying women leave the house to be looked at.
seabeyond
Dec 2011
#44
These would probably be the same people who think women BREATHE for them. n/t
whathehell
Dec 2011
#125
PeaceNikki, I'm with you too. You're right. This bullshit needs to be stopped.
Sarah Ibarruri
Dec 2011
#46
Well, two things. It is Rolling stone and women have more sexual parts than men
The Straight Story
Dec 2011
#25
In many ways, capitalism has made women's magazines even more nefarious since they are propaganda
Sarah Ibarruri
Dec 2011
#79
I'm going to post about that. :) Are women who run around half naked, surgically-altered, and
Sarah Ibarruri
Dec 2011
#115
Bullshit.....Sarah I. is correct....Rolling Stone is about MUSIC, it's not a "men's magazine". n/t
whathehell
Dec 2011
#126
1 study in the 80's with questionairre proved that out hence, it becomes fact. NOT reality.
seabeyond
Dec 2011
#38
Thanks, lapislzi. Capitalism is the culprit here. It sells everything, people's lives, people's
Sarah Ibarruri
Dec 2011
#40
It's always the bottom line, and increasing profits till they blow up into the stratosphere. nt
Sarah Ibarruri
Dec 2011
#42
Thanks, MuseRider. It might not make a huge difference now, but if all of us start to mention this
Sarah Ibarruri
Dec 2011
#45
Muse, I get very frustrated too. It's hard to discuss something that is so pervasive, and be told
Sarah Ibarruri
Dec 2011
#62
Rolling Stone was used in this study, but honestly, they could've taken any magazine at all...
Sarah Ibarruri
Dec 2011
#52
Oh yes. Myriad articles telling women "how to give him better orgasms" and "how to look like a Ho"
Sarah Ibarruri
Dec 2011
#63
I wonder if that indeed is a cause or an effect of Madison Avenue's branding
LanternWaste
Dec 2011
#54
That's exactly it, and capitalism is raking in the dough now by degrading women. On the other hand
Sarah Ibarruri
Dec 2011
#69
Hmm... good question! I think what's going on right now is unbridled capitalism
Sarah Ibarruri
Dec 2011
#90
yep, objectification of the attractive female form is embedded deeply. Madison Avenue is made up
BlancheSplanchnik
Dec 2011
#97
Yes, absolutely, to the suggestion that women are pushed to triumph only via their looks
Sarah Ibarruri
Dec 2011
#147
It makes money. If you put a naked woman in front of a man, he'll spend money on it...
Sarah Ibarruri
Dec 2011
#65
It is. As long as men have sperm, they will be creating daughters, and it'd be good if they were
Sarah Ibarruri
Dec 2011
#75
but what it does to men is take them away from their authentic self and creates a caricature
seabeyond
Dec 2011
#76
That's true too. It draws them as a mindless penis. Men are beautiful souls and capitalism gives
Sarah Ibarruri
Dec 2011
#82
Sorry, "Mindless Penis" is my band name, and I have trademarked its usage.
Warren DeMontague
Dec 2011
#203
I'm not derailing anything. I'm objecting to the quantification of so-called "hyper-sexualization"
Warren DeMontague
Dec 2011
#299
Oh, and I work for Rolling Stone, and I'm terrifed that objections from a few DU members
Warren DeMontague
Dec 2011
#300
"effects" like "I am harmed by the presence of a semi-naked human on a magazine cover"?
Warren DeMontague
Dec 2011
#307
and can you consider that this is yet another exercise in 'Merkin moral panic
Warren DeMontague
Dec 2011
#312
how about you post a link to the 'science' showing 'harm' from erotic images
Warren DeMontague
Dec 2011
#327
you mean like arguing that 'pornification' makes breastfeeding less acceptable
Warren DeMontague
Dec 2011
#326
that would be lying on your part. you leave out the issue of that thread. PUBLIC
seabeyond
Dec 2011
#328
passing that off as a quote of mine? you quote it, put it in italics? that is beyond what i expect
seabeyond
Dec 2011
#350
quotes and italics is a paraphrase to you? and it was not a parahrase. it was made up and wrong
seabeyond
Dec 2011
#352
it could, but there's no evidence it does. Because we are complex creatures who can walk & chew gum.
Warren DeMontague
Dec 2011
#344
Ah, the old "go find it yourself". Bullshit. The "studies" are bogus "science" which is then used to
Warren DeMontague
Dec 2011
#364
Right. Again, another case of "I know what I know, because I know it"... except that's not science.
Warren DeMontague
Dec 2011
#372
it is also way ahead of the curve in a patriarchal misogynist society. so? nt
seabeyond
Dec 2011
#57
Mexico is what I view as a perfect capitalistic society - anything goes - mass poverty, mega-wealthy
Sarah Ibarruri
Dec 2011
#71
I stopped buying Rolling Stone YEARS ago, because of their brazen imbalance
BlancheSplanchnik
Dec 2011
#86
Let me ask you a question. Have you noticed an increase in shows about women tortured to death?
Sarah Ibarruri
Dec 2011
#98
We could start a whole new discussion thread about the link between porn and violence*
lapislzi
Dec 2011
#106
Yes! It would get crazy. the same 3 or 4 guys would be all nervous and jittery, proclaiming we are
Sarah Ibarruri
Dec 2011
#135
sort of like how people would freak out over a thread saying abortion=breast cancer
Warren DeMontague
Dec 2011
#170
as the race driver said... nasty. think when a woman sticks tits out for him, he is saying nasty?
seabeyond
Dec 2011
#306
funny, I'm in favor of breastfeeding AND I'm not mad about sex in magazines
Warren DeMontague
Dec 2011
#309
hubby and i went thru this thread this morning. got a chuckle at some of it.
seabeyond
Dec 2011
#391
as a matter of fact,this morning i asked if he wanted to check out du. there are forums he would
seabeyond
Dec 2011
#401
hm... well, if you ever got out of the sex threads, you would hear plenty over the years
seabeyond
Dec 2011
#403
did the study suggest they never sexualize men? i think not. i believe your argument is a strawman
seabeyond
Dec 2011
#404
"many of the reasons for not breastfeeding are linked to the sexualization of breasts" - um, ok
Warren DeMontague
Dec 2011
#308
Marginalization and contempt toward anything female is a good way to put it.
Sarah Ibarruri
Dec 2011
#122
Same to you! I think you must be an instructor on the topic, or a writer! nt
Sarah Ibarruri
Dec 2011
#145
Sign language interpreters rock. I attended a wedding with a sign language interpreter.
Sarah Ibarruri
Dec 2011
#284
Here are just a few of many. Also note one that *directly* corrects your impression:
BlancheSplanchnik
Dec 2011
#138
You're right that it's said better bad publicity than none at all, HOWEVER, it is possible to label
Sarah Ibarruri
Dec 2011
#114
separate themselves from the oppressed group and be accepted as part of the positive majority
seabeyond
Dec 2011
#120
That explains Bobble Head Women perfectly. They want to side with what they interpret as 'victors'
Sarah Ibarruri
Dec 2011
#128
If you adore men, well, I know some feminists who would negatively criticize you for that.
Quartermass
Dec 2011
#129
and i do not know a single feminist that would have an issue with adoring men. especially as many
seabeyond
Dec 2011
#131
Nothing more wonderful than a male body, is there? If there is, I don't know it!
Sarah Ibarruri
Dec 2011
#133
You should read Valeri Solanas's Scum Manifesto. That's the kind of thing I've often encountered.
Quartermass
Dec 2011
#137
You are aware that pretty much nobody takes Valerie Solanas, a mentally ill woman, seriously
REP
Dec 2011
#225
Yeah, and I knew this guy once who couldn't trust anything that bled every month and didn't die
REP
Dec 2011
#228
There's a culture thing, yes, but capitalism just drives it in, seals it, makes it solid. The media
Sarah Ibarruri
Dec 2011
#104
Eh. India, for all its different religious viewpoints, is still a very religious country.
randome
Dec 2011
#127
Anything more specific would be off-topic, but I hope the Trend will quickly become visible.
Fire Walk With Me
Dec 2011
#175
Scary to me too, and it is dysfunctional. Thank you for pointing that out. nt
Sarah Ibarruri
Dec 2011
#119
you got it right on. the issue here, is one gender may feel they have a oneupmanship
seabeyond
Dec 2011
#124
Do you wear cleavage around your groin when you go out, so women can feast themselves on peeking
Sarah Ibarruri
Dec 2011
#157
My wife & I saw quite possibly the longest penis shot I've ever seen in a motion picture last night
Warren DeMontague
Dec 2011
#161
I'll say it again: This is why we're getting our ass kicked by China and India. We churn out degrees
Warren DeMontague
Dec 2011
#160
Economic demand for engineers is finite, just like the demand for everything else
Hippo_Tron
Dec 2011
#406
And what is the demand for studies quantifying "hyper-sexualization" in Rolling Stone covers?
Warren DeMontague
Dec 2011
#407
I agree wholeheartedly with your last sentence, and think that's absolutely what we should do.
Warren DeMontague
Dec 2011
#411
Again, there aren't a lot of jobs with 17th century French Poetry as a pre-requisite
Hippo_Tron
Dec 2011
#412
well, except maybe the posts of beavis and butthead. i am assuming that is who a poster
seabeyond
Dec 2011
#177
yes. and they have quite a nationwide scam for young hot chicks and really stupid
seabeyond
Dec 2011
#207
I think the word "hypersexualized" was made up expressly for the purpose of this one "study"
Warren DeMontague
Dec 2011
#202
Like I said upthread, it's by sociologists, for sociology professors, teaching sociology students
Warren DeMontague
Dec 2011
#249
Funny how your comments all through this thread sound almost exactly like GOP Florida Governor Rick
Hissyspit
Dec 2011
#255
Whatever. Sociology- which I studied in school myself- is a useful lens through which to look.
Warren DeMontague
Dec 2011
#293
Even trying to lodge that objection seems useless. People know what they know, and they're gonna be
Warren DeMontague
Dec 2011
#301
It's sad that little girls think dressing up like something out of Cosmopolitan is just fine...
Sarah Ibarruri
Dec 2011
#273
the parents say no. i had one mom tell me, all the girls do it, how can i say no
seabeyond
Dec 2011
#274
I'd venture to say that some in here get defensive every time a feminist speaks...
Sarah Ibarruri
Dec 2011
#319
Oh, absolutely! I call them Bobble Head Women. They nod to anything their man says
Sarah Ibarruri
Dec 2011
#321
If a space alien watched TV in the US for four hours, he would conclude we sell three things....
Scuba
Dec 2011
#261
EXACTLY. American TV is geared to males, and not to the wise ones, either! nt
Sarah Ibarruri
Dec 2011
#265
Yes, however, this is also true: Why would a woman want to buy a product, if it weren't:
Sarah Ibarruri
Dec 2011
#288
It sure does. Capitalism is not about love, goodness, fairness, or helping. Only $$$$$.
Sarah Ibarruri
Dec 2011
#292
IMO this is why I often wonder if the "sexual revolution" was a complete disaster.
Odin2005
Dec 2011
#334
misogynist "woman as virgin" meme to the equally misogynist "woman as whore"
seabeyond
Dec 2011
#336
Being prudish. But the problem lies with the media, TV, Hollywood, comics, videogames
Sarah Ibarruri
Dec 2011
#343
You're so right. Women continue to be placed in the role of either virgins or whores
Sarah Ibarruri
Dec 2011
#395
Yes indeed, but all in the name of capitalism. Capitalism has no soul, and is amoral. nt
Sarah Ibarruri
Dec 2011
#394