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[salin]

145. Folks keep using the word "incapacitated", but I think with very varied meanings.

I see the word, and think of the descriptions of the Stanford Swimmer case and the description of extreme intoxication - trouble walking, trouble mentally processing conversation. But others seem to be describing really buzzed.

No way in hell, after reading the case description and the victims statement submitted to the court, could I say that she "raped him" (as in they are both guilty of raping each other). And while he was likely drunk as well - he was not as inebriated - hence he had the 'flight' instinct when stopped by bystanders. She had no such ability for such an instinct to kick in.

Reading his parents comments, I think they would love this excuse for his actions. Even though he still had some faculties working, while she did not - indicating an aggressor in the situation.

For the concerned parent, have the son read everything about this case - including her letter. Discuss with him where in this case the line seems to become more clear that this was not an option to call this a "mutual rape", and that had the kid not been a student athlete at Stanford, and draw a judge who was an alum, the punishment accompanying the conviction might be decidedly more severe.