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25. Good for Kaine

Reply to AmericanActivist (Original post)

Wed Oct 5, 2016, 08:14 AM

Oct 2016

Pence is a dangerous man. He lies as easily and effortlessly as Trump, but he does it far smoother and without any obvious outward sign, so it was important that he got called out on a few things, for sure.

Pence very confidently and calmly lied that only 10% of Clinton Foundation funds go towards helping people.
Pence very confidently and smoothly lied about a lot of things, honestly. Kaine needed to get in there and knock him off his stride with a few facts to counter those confident and smooth lies.

On the other hand, the topics of debate were absurd, and almost entirely framed in favour of the right wing. There was so much terrorism, Russia, North Korea, Syria, fear! explosions! fear! terrorists! Islam! fear! fear! fear! fear! and just about nothing about domestic issues, economic issues, environment, campaign finance, etc...

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All this nonsense about Kaine interrupting during the debate... [View all] AmericanActivist Oct 2016 OP

If he had not interrupted, the lies would have gone unchallenged liberal N proud Oct 2016 #1

you get your time and challenge..and insist on MORE time as the lies can't go unresponded beachbum bob Oct 2016 #3

The moderator was lousy, but sitting on your hands saying nothing suggests agreement. MADem Oct 2016 #10

Yes. the moderator did a poor job of controlling things. maddiemom Oct 2016 #18

Exactly! demosincebirth Oct 2016 #31

What I saw was Pence who would not stop talking at the end of he's allotted time liberal N proud Oct 2016 #11

I totally agree! eom Ligyron Oct 2016 #13

That is why the format sucked exboyfil Oct 2016 #19

very true treestar Oct 2016 #24

Pence's strategy was to eat up the clock vlyons Oct 2016 #32

Talking past one's allotted time is one thing; jamesatemple Oct 2016 #35

I swear, Republican politicians and pundits must take classes.... Rorey Oct 2016 #42

Pence would say "Let me finish my sentence" and then ramble on for a paragraph. . . . nt Bernardo de La Paz Oct 2016 #64

welcome to du. you are quite correct--because they all operate the same way. niyad Oct 2016 #65

+1 uponit7771 Oct 2016 #57

I was waiting for someone blue cat Oct 2016 #9

Bingo wryter2000 Oct 2016 #23

I never go with interupting...never looks classy beachbum bob Oct 2016 #2

Pence was trying to gishgallop away from the truth. Sometimes, hauling out the MADem Oct 2016 #6

Exactly. Nt Else You Are Mad Oct 2016 #8

Here's one small example of when restraint would have been the part of valor citood Oct 2016 #36

The Pentagon is in Arlington VA. The only thing in "DC" is the mailing address. MADem Oct 2016 #47

None of that matters citood Oct 2016 #73

I doubt that. MADem Oct 2016 #74

Who exactly do you think is the audience for a veep debate? citood Oct 2016 #75

Your concern is touching. MADem Oct 2016 #77

FFS...If there were to be a 2nd VP debate, Kaine should do nothing different? citood Oct 2016 #78

Correct. nt MADem Oct 2016 #79

Nothing different, if anything, assert himself even louder at Pence's lies. Raster Oct 2016 #86

I agree completely. maddiemom Oct 2016 #16

Sorry to disagree but mdbl Oct 2016 #21

I am a long time liberal, same with my wife and found it less than classy kaine's interruptions beachbum bob Oct 2016 #33

This is politics. Bare-knuckled and all. Kaine did an excellent job of shoving Pence into the ropes BlueCaliDem Oct 2016 #56

if you prefer a debate where one side calmly never answers the mdbl Oct 2016 #90

100% agreed relayerbob Oct 2016 #40

it's too bad that Kaine didn't point out the worst of Pence mdbl Oct 2016 #91

Kaine wasn't supposed to help himself. He was supposed to help Hillary. SunSeeker Oct 2016 #68

I agree with you--if the fact checkers do their jobs, instead of making this a beauty contest, like MADem Oct 2016 #4

I agree with you. I think Tim Kaine did great. livetohike Oct 2016 #5

I am glad Kaine interrupted. Else You Are Mad Oct 2016 #7

The complainers didn't complain HAB911 Oct 2016 #12

In football... Aviation Pro Oct 2016 #14

Great idea! joshdawg Oct 2016 #17

My daughter said they need those shock collars some people use to train dogs. Petrushka Oct 2016 #87

I missed the first few minutes RussBLib Oct 2016 #15

Does it get any better? I DVRd it but stopped watching after the first 15 minutes TrogL Oct 2016 #20

Yessssssssssssss! lillypaddle Oct 2016 #22

Good for Kaine Saviolo Oct 2016 #25

Kaine was protecting the American Public from the BS coming out the bigot sitting turbinetree Oct 2016 #26

I wish Kaine would have waited patiently and just said, "What a bunch of malarky" world wide wally Oct 2016 #27

Ha, ha!! PatSeg Oct 2016 #29

His interruptions were deliberate The Wizard Oct 2016 #28

I agree. Lies should always be immediately interrupted and corrected. Nitram Oct 2016 #30

+1000. nt ecstatic Oct 2016 #38

i feel it was necessary as well. retrowire Oct 2016 #34

I disagree relayerbob Oct 2016 #37

And yet many here on DU support Trump who is both unprofessional and petty Democat Oct 2016 #41

So, fuck them relayerbob Oct 2016 #43

He didn't look "unprofessional and petty" to me. Rorey Oct 2016 #46

So, if you went into work ... relayerbob Oct 2016 #52

That's a false equivalence. In *this* situation--a time limited tv program, BlancheSplanchnik Oct 2016 #82

There was nothing petty about Kaine's performance. Truth is never petty. BigBearJohn Oct 2016 #48

What part of relayerbob Oct 2016 #55

Telling the truth can hardly be considered "going low." BigBearJohn Oct 2016 #59

No. Kaine DENIED Pence the opportunity to use him "lecturing" MADem Oct 2016 #49

As long as you're ok relayerbob Oct 2016 #54

Because kissing a lying bully's ass is the way to convince them? MADem Oct 2016 #61

Post removed Post removed Oct 2016 #62

I'm with her, and I'm with YOU! WinkyDink Oct 2016 #39

KNR Thank you! Lucinda Oct 2016 #44

Tim Kaine won, end of story! sanduca Oct 2016 #45

All Tim did was SCVDem Oct 2016 #50

Well there is that eh. Don't lie and you won't get corrected. AmericanActivist Oct 2016 #72

Thank you!! gopiscrap Oct 2016 #51

+1000! Pence was trying to steamroll the moderator Greybnk48 Oct 2016 #53

Yeah, right Marc2010 Oct 2016 #58

As Pence tried to reinvent Trump, Kaine was marvelous bucolic_frolic Oct 2016 #60

How many times have we heard BlueMTexpat Oct 2016 #88

The Republican Clowns are out polynomial Oct 2016 #63

Sure, democrats loved his performance, everyone else thought he was constantly interrupting.... frankieallen Oct 2016 #66

All the Pence soundbites are now poisoned... with truth. Not Sure Oct 2016 #67

Big HONKIN' K&R BumRushDaShow Oct 2016 #69

was at a hrc watch party last night and the folks there were horrified dembotoz Oct 2016 #70

I'm with the critics on this one. WillowTree Oct 2016 #71

I would have been fine if Kaine had punched Pence out, but I do think a true undecided who really Hoyt Oct 2016 #76

Thanks for your o.p. AA. Recced. Mc Mike Oct 2016 #80

I would like to see that analysis also. I love your AmericanActivist Oct 2016 #83

My wife doesn't enjoy my deployment of it that much. But at least neighbors haven't Mc Mike Oct 2016 #84

Trump won by dozens of interruptions. Trump also won on lies, one per interruption to Kaine's zero. Coyotl Oct 2016 #81

In some ways, this is Kaine's role. murielm99 Oct 2016 #85

Hillary's politeness made it clear that Trump was the asshole IronLionZion Oct 2016 #89

Let's review this thread through the short lens of CURRENT EVENTS.... MADem Oct 2016 #92