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PatsFan87

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24. I agree with you about the realism of having two choices
Fri Dec 2, 2016, 12:14 PM
Dec 2016

which is why I voted for Hillary and convinced others to do the same. She was not my ideal candidate but she was not a dumpster fire like Trump. It was more important keeping him out of office.

Of course voting matters but we have got to recognize that words and the way people are treated also matter. Politics is about policy but it's also about process, about how we bring people to the table, about how we treat and listen to people. Many people vote solely on issues. Clearly from this election, others vote on whether or not they think they are being listened to and whether they think they matter. We must acknowledge this. You say that it's not about "lofty goals or dreams". Of course it is. Obama utilized people's imaginations brilliantly during 2008. Letting people feel something is the most powerful way to reach them, not numbers or the intimate details of somebody's plan. That's just speaking realistically. Ending slavery, desegregation, marriage equality were once "lofty goals." But using words and having a process of bringing people of different backgrounds together instead of dismissing certain people is what brought about that change. People matter and process matters and the Democratic party needs to acknowledge and deal with an elitist wing of the party turning people away or we will continue to lose elections.

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it is absolutely mind boggling. moda253 Dec 2016 #1
Sadly, that realization will come too late, I'm afraid. MineralMan Dec 2016 #2
I assume the reverse... brooklynite Dec 2016 #3
Loss or restrictions on reproductive freedom etherealtruth Dec 2016 #4
Most millinials have always lived with broader freedoms and reproductive rights. leftyladyfrommo Dec 2016 #7
Say it isn't so. DURHAM D Dec 2016 #5
The only think greater than hate among his supporters is stupid world wide wally Dec 2016 #6
According to this, Millennial turnout in 2016 was lower than in 2012! MineralMan Dec 2016 #8
Old white men put Trump in the white house. Not millenials. killbotfactory Dec 2016 #16
I'm an old white man. I voted for Hillary. MineralMan Dec 2016 #17
So you start a thread blaming millenials for not showing up killbotfactory Dec 2016 #18
But, see, they didn't show up. If they had, Hillary would MineralMan Dec 2016 #19
But they didn't show up now did they? leftofcool Dec 2016 #26
Millennial vote was UP from 2012 fizzed Dec 2016 #27
they'll realize that Democrats and Republicans are not the exact same thing La Lioness Priyanka Dec 2016 #9
Under 55 voted heavily democratic in the election...if they voted Johonny Dec 2016 #10
Then more of them should vote, don't you think? MineralMan Dec 2016 #11
Traditionally, the older you are, the more you have, the more settled you are, they more likely you Johonny Dec 2016 #13
OK. Perhaps that should change, don't you think? MineralMan Dec 2016 #15
"Perhaps that should change"? Act_of_Reparation Dec 2016 #30
Hasn't the 18-30 year old voters always been the lowest demographic voting? madinmaryland Dec 2016 #33
Yes, but that doesn't mean MineralMan Dec 2016 #34
I don't disagree with you, but what do you do to get them to vote? madinmaryland Dec 2016 #35
As a millennial, all of my friends and I made the adult decision PatsFan87 Dec 2016 #12
And yet, millennial turnout in 2016 was lower than in 2012. MineralMan Dec 2016 #14
Absolutely. PatsFan87 Dec 2016 #20
Here's the thing: Vote for yourself. MineralMan Dec 2016 #21
I agree with you about the realism of having two choices PatsFan87 Dec 2016 #24
This has already been debunked up thread and you keep bringing it up taught_me_patience Dec 2016 #31
Half off tuition at Trump U. Yavin4 Dec 2016 #22
The doors are locked there. MineralMan Dec 2016 #23
See. It's a tough school to get into. Yavin4 Dec 2016 #25
Millennial vote was actually UP from 2012 in 2016 fizzed Dec 2016 #28
Yes, my generation is to blame for not cleaning up the messes your generation made. Act_of_Reparation Dec 2016 #29
Blaming the generation that actually voted for Hillary rather than the generation that actually taught_me_patience Dec 2016 #32
Kick. The OP has been completely owned in this thread taught_me_patience Dec 2016 #36
The Facebook generation. gulliver Dec 2016 #37
What will Trump's impact be on Boomers? NobodyHere Dec 2016 #38
All of the boomers I know voted for Hillary. MineralMan Dec 2016 #39
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