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(101 posts) Wed Jun 20, 2012, 01:16 PM Jun 2012

I did NOT "defend the Klan" [View all]

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I've seen comments here from several posters and jury members claiming I "defended the KKK/Klan." I absolutely did no such thing! What I defended was known historical facts. The KKK at one time actually did try to make social and political reforms. Yes, their primary activities where overwhelmingly violent and terroristic -- I do NOT deny that -- but pointing out that it actually is accurate to say that they engaged in social and political reforms (no matter how wrongheaded the attempts -- which obviously failed spectacularly -- were) and questioning a source that does not provide full context of a couple of lines from a textbook is hardly "defending the Klan." Honestly, it's pretty sickening that this accusation was used by some jury members to deny my reporting of a disruptive, off-topic jab against me in a completely unrelated thread.

Now, quick! Someone be completely predictable and dismiss my complaints because I'm a "noob."

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I did NOT "defend the Klan" [View all] SaB2012 Jun 2012 OP

Happens to many of us from time to time. ZombieHorde Jun 2012 #1

Agreed! n/t hrmjustin Jun 2012 #3

That. DOES. happen. nt patrice Jun 2012 #12

Oh yeah, yesphan Jun 2012 #34

Why are you defending the Klan!! AngryAmish Jun 2012 #70

Funny. nt ZombieHorde Jun 2012 #84

Yes, it unfortunately happens. Some people don't read an entire post, Honeycombe8 Jun 2012 #121

Yes, the KKK supported wonderful reforms like the Volstead Act. Popcorn, anyone? slackmaster Jun 2012 #2

Thanks for the straw man SaB2012 Jun 2012 #4

get used to this sort of thing if u plan to stay here - words in your mouth-r-us lol nt msongs Jun 2012 #9

I can't tell what you actually said, because you haven't linked to it or fully quoted yourself slackmaster Jun 2012 #10

Probably not SaB2012 Jun 2012 #19

that is not fair this person never said that they were wonderful. n/t hrmjustin Jun 2012 #27

Always Entertaining To See a Fella Double Down, Sir The Magistrate Jun 2012 #5

No, I didn't SaB2012 Jun 2012 #6

All Terror Organizations Have Political and Social Aims, Sir The Magistrate Jun 2012 #15

But that's not what I did SaB2012 Jun 2012 #18

There Is No Other Reason To State They 'Attempted To Produce Reforms', Sir, But Mitigation The Magistrate Jun 2012 #22

Actually, yes, there is another reason SaB2012 Jun 2012 #25

Again, Fella, You Just Need To Relax, Take In a Show.... The Magistrate Jun 2012 #32

does fox news provide you guys with a fair and balanced primer on logical fallacies now? datasuspect Jun 2012 #33

Don't watch Fox. SaB2012 Jun 2012 #40

To enhace your "complete historical narative" you could also mention bluerum Jun 2012 #76

People call attention to them also when their aim is to shed light on historical context. redgreenandblue Jun 2012 #68

People Who Have Called Me Arrogant And Condescending, Sir, Is Not A Very Exclusive Club.... The Magistrate Jun 2012 #78

Thanks for the context. I have read neither "Birth of Nation" nor said materials. redgreenandblue Jun 2012 #87

Life Is Short, Sir, And Passes On Quickly At My Age.... The Magistrate Jun 2012 #89

There does seem to be a noticable age gap here at DU. redgreenandblue Jun 2012 #97

Or just simple identify speculation as speculation. Absolutes are highly improbable, admit the patrice Jun 2012 #102

"Granted, I read only this thread and not the original one" <--- I wish you'd typed that first, apocalypsehow Jun 2012 #80

to say "hitler was popular because he promised..." is rather different from saying "hitler was a HiPointDem Jun 2012 #94

This is a Meta OP -- you need to post it there obamanut2012 Jun 2012 #7

Okay. Sorry. SaB2012 Jun 2012 #16

I'm not completely sure what all happened (and I'm NOT going to go read it all), but people may have patrice Jun 2012 #8

What happened SaB2012 Jun 2012 #13

k. Carry on. I do find it interesting that the KKK got so huge so quickly and then very quickly ALSO patrice Jun 2012 #44

same reason the tea party got so huge. it was funded in a climate of tax cuts, immigration contro- HiPointDem Jun 2012 #62

Despite the fact that at least SOME Tea Partyers, at least at some point, had more authentic patrice Jun 2012 #67

Sorry about all of those "at least"s; trying to think about ranges of possibilities here and various patrice Jun 2012 #69

we're not talking about the motivations of individual kkk members. we're talking about the kkk HiPointDem Jun 2012 #74

Good point. Wholes are almost always more than the sum of their parts and there are those who, like patrice Jun 2012 #105

'Essentially correct'. NO, You said this statement 'ACTUALLY IS TRUE' ProgressiveEconomist Jun 2012 #45

In other words, WHERE THERE'S SMOKE, THERE'S FIRE. ProgressiveEconomist Jun 2012 #55

Hell, the trains ran on time in Nazi Germany too datasuspect Jun 2012 #11

But stating that Germany's trains ran on time SaB2012 Jun 2012 #14

It was actually Mussolini who made the trains run on time slackmaster Jun 2012 #17

Careful SaB2012 Jun 2012 #20

In all fairness, I was defending the Italian Fascists slackmaster Jun 2012 #56

You should be embarrassed for making that comparison. n/t Dawgs Jun 2012 #21

Why? datasuspect Jun 2012 #23

Thank you I had the same question n/t HangOnKids Jun 2012 #29

Thanks. I always worry about questions we are not allowed to raise. If there's some rational reason patrice Jun 2012 #37

still trying to figure out what i said datasuspect Jun 2012 #38

HOLY SHIT!!!! SaB2012 Jun 2012 #42

no questions were raised. the poster asserted that the kkk was a social reform outfit, as HiPointDem Jun 2012 #66

k. thanks. Do you mind giving me the post #? I MUST get out of here and into my email. tks! nt patrice Jun 2012 #72

s/he makes the claim repeatedly in the thread. as do a few others, though not so persistently. HiPointDem Jun 2012 #75

Okay, yes, SaB2012 conclusively defended the KKK. That's either naive argumentation or disingenuous. patrice Jun 2012 #95

For comparing the Klan to the Nazis? Really? Lucy Goosey Jun 2012 #39

Question SaB2012 Jun 2012 #28

bless your heart datasuspect Jun 2012 #30

Just going by your and others' example, dude SaB2012 Jun 2012 #35

there have been many others before you datasuspect Jun 2012 #36

Post removed Post removed Jun 2012 #41

P.S. I do appreciate an effort to separate the authentic wheat from the chads amongst populist patrice Jun 2012 #24

Hanging chads? :) SaB2012 Jun 2012 #26

It was a pun on our completely fucked up voting mechanism, i.e. the source of practially everything patrice Jun 2012 #31

"A pun, a play on words� There�s only one word, how much play could there be?" Tommy_Carcetti Jun 2012 #88

k. an allusion. patrice Jun 2012 #96

Well, uh� I meant it to be a parable. Tommy_Carcetti Jun 2012 #100

Yes, a narrative about in-determinance, chads:chaff, actual racists:guilt-by-ignorance patrice Jun 2012 #101

It would be more accurate to say they engaged in regressive social deconstruction. bluerum Jun 2012 #43

Good point: All reform may desconstruct, but not all deconstruction is reform. nt patrice Jun 2012 #47

gosh, & you've got a lot of low-post posters defending you too. yeah, those kkk social reformers, HiPointDem Jun 2012 #46

I live in a state in which the Eisenhower Republicans are horrified by our Teapublican governor, patrice Jun 2012 #54

while your points are well-taken concerning politics, they have less relevance to disingenuous HiPointDem Jun 2012 #57

Maybe my standards of "proof" as to "disingenuousness" are higher than some - OR - patrice Jun 2012 #64

there's nothing class-based about it. & the kkk was started by the upper-class, not the lower. HiPointDem Jun 2012 #77

And that's not class?! Drive through the South today and tell me what kinds of yards have patrice Jun 2012 #99

i'm saying that this poster's defense of the kkk has nothing to do with class. if you want to HiPointDem Jun 2012 #104

True. We don't know OP's thoughts on class relative to this question. & There are different skill patrice Jun 2012 #107

In short, low posters are not necessarily KKK supporters or trolls. nt patrice Jun 2012 #58

no one said low posters were necessarily kkk supporters or trolls. HiPointDem Jun 2012 #60

Check out my post below, MadHound Jun 2012 #108

I'm sure Hitler was a pretty nice guy as well, if you just got to know him Hugabear Jun 2012 #48

Enjoyed Jelly Omletes, Sir, A Vegetarian: What is Not To Like...? The Magistrate Jun 2012 #49

That former Klansman Robert Byrd, too. An Exalted Cyclops, no less. Nye Bevan Jun 2012 #73

He Joined Young, Sir, He Quit, He Apologized The Magistrate Jun 2012 #81

I don't like it when people defend someone who almost certainly participated Nye Bevan Jun 2012 #92

For That Statement, Sir, there is Absolutely No Evidence At All The Magistrate Jun 2012 #120

he quit the klan & renounced it. the poster is defending the klan as an organization. HiPointDem Jun 2012 #83

Why are you interrupting the vagina threads with this crap? retread Jun 2012 #50

Haha! Inkfreak Jun 2012 #98

Welcome to DU, Inkfreak pinboy3niner Jun 2012 #103

We tend to under-analyze hate groups as just being "evil" Dash87 Jun 2012 #51

1+++++++ patrice Jun 2012 #111

Well, gosh. Starry Messenger Jun 2012 #52

You are a noob who got locked out of their own thread for using a homophobic slur Jamastiene Jun 2012 #53

And has a rec from a poster who had a weird "gay" thread of their own a few days ago HangOnKids Jun 2012 #59

Is there a link to the thread in question? NNN0LHI Jun 2012 #61

Check No. 45 Above, Sir The Magistrate Jun 2012 #63

Thank you, Sir NNN0LHI Jun 2012 #82

here. i just kicked it to pg 1 as well, for everyone's edification. he's not the only one. HiPointDem Jun 2012 #65

Just read it and some of the stuff posted there is very troubling NNN0LHI Jun 2012 #79

They also want adopt a highway in Georgia. Dr. Strange Jun 2012 #71

"Georgia: Land of Lakes, Mountains, Scenic Beauty, Friendly People...." Tommy_Carcetti Jun 2012 #91

I believe that should read, "my interpretation of known historical facts..." LanternWaste Jun 2012 #85

To be fair, Hitler did make a hell of an automobile. Tommy_Carcetti Jun 2012 #86

The Barbie Museum! Dr. Strange Jun 2012 #90

This thread has breastfeeding pitbulls eating cornflake chicken at Olive Garden written all over it. Tommy_Carcetti Jun 2012 #93

You made the mistake of going against the popular political narrative MadHound Jun 2012 #106

I believe Jefferson Cowie more-or-less agrees with your point: patrice Jun 2012 #110

+1000 GeorgeGist Jun 2012 #112

So. You're a white supremacist, too. Nye Bevan Jun 2012 #116

If you love them so much, ithinkmyliverhurts Jun 2012 #109

Unfortunately knee jerks are quite vocal on DU. GeorgeGist Jun 2012 #113

Hey SaB2012 (Jay McHue) , Is this your blog? Vanje Jun 2012 #114

Is this your twitter ? Vanje Jun 2012 #115

He's dead, Jim pinboy3niner Jun 2012 #117

They did it to get gullible fools to join them DevonRex Jun 2012 #118

And Mussolini was a reformer... RagAss Jun 2012 #119

Too bad you're DOA already. cliffordu Jun 2012 #122

I'm going to further spoil the fun by locking this thread. scarletwoman Jun 2012 #123

Yes, the poster of this OP is now among the departed, however, this OP never met the SOP of GD scarletwoman Jun 2012 #124