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104. End of the day

Mon Dec 12, 2016, 11:36 PM

Dec 2016

Unless something miraculous happens, we have an R controlled US to deal with.
If we don't normalize the dialog at official levels, we destabilize our situation with the rest of the world. Trump is terrible, but letting the world know that we have a split opinion at the governmental level will do us no good.

That's one of the reasons we had such issues with the Congress' note re: Iran deal. It makes us look as if we are a banana republic in the eyes of other nations.

That's worse than being wrongheaded.

Bernie can either rail against it and be marginalized/ignored, or face it and try to make incremental headway.

He's choosing the option that he feels will be better in the end. I don't always agree, but I can understand it.

It's up to the younger generation to make the noise. Nations can deal with civil protest, it's seen as ok to other Nations.
When the leadership has a split, then others get nervous. We're too heavily armed to be taken lightly if others think we are in a unstable situation.

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Jesus Christ Sanders are you serious??? [View all] thejoker123 Dec 2016 OP

Damn these folks are not very bright flamingdem Dec 2016 #1

All I know is thejoker123 Dec 2016 #2

He has been hearing their views for months now and he's immune flamingdem Dec 2016 #6

Fat lot of good. Trying to "listen" and "be reasonable" and waiting for these SHMOES to Maru Kitteh Dec 2016 #13

I agree, what do you think Bernie is trying to accomplish with this? flamingdem Dec 2016 #24

I think he's changing minds annabanana Dec 2016 #32

I think it has a least something to do with his book sales. Maru Kitteh Dec 2016 #38

That book was supposed to be a counterpoint to the Clinton victory. MADem Dec 2016 #90

He's not going to "reach" them that way. George II Dec 2016 #42

He's wasting his time, and tarnishing his brand. MADem Dec 2016 #86

they'll hurt for their mistake, and blame minorities for their pain 0rganism Dec 2016 #136

He explained to these brainwashed mental lightweights that the reason we Dustlawyer Dec 2016 #52

Then why would they listen to yours? Maru Kitteh Dec 2016 #80

This discussion showed a few million Americans some of the realities of Trump. Dustlawyer Dec 2016 #89

Maybe 1 million....liberals. thejoker123 Dec 2016 #92

How many Trump supporters are watching this, do you suppose? MADem Dec 2016 #94

Read what you wrote and ask yourself what YOU would have thought if you were one of them karynnj Dec 2016 #143

Believe it. MontanaMama Dec 2016 #117

I get that some people get hosed by ACA flamingdem Dec 2016 #137

When you're self employed you can't get a "plan" MontanaMama Dec 2016 #145

Critical thinking skills are not in the mix. madaboutharry Dec 2016 #3

My husband insisted we watch it, first time I watched MSNBC since election night kimbutgar Dec 2016 #4

I had to turn it off, between Bernie thejoker123 Dec 2016 #8

Nothing surprises me about Sanders. duffyduff Dec 2016 #5

Why do you think he's doing this? flamingdem Dec 2016 #7

He needs to worry about the EC, duffyduff Dec 2016 #9

He is old and set in his ways. MADem Dec 2016 #97

Well said. cwydro Dec 2016 #139

That woman on minimum wage is stupid Ghost of Tom Joad Dec 2016 #10

Good point. Willie Pep Dec 2016 #18

BINGO Willie thejoker123 Dec 2016 #31

Yup, someone argued with me that no one straight out of high school should get $15/hr. SunSeeker Dec 2016 #47

There is a misconception that low-wage workers are mostly teenagers. Willie Pep Dec 2016 #51

Yep and the misconception is largely thejoker123 Dec 2016 #53

Exactly right. Willie Pep Dec 2016 #61

I know, makes you want to put your head through a wall (eom) thejoker123 Dec 2016 #72

You raise an important point. We do not value hard work in the US hollowdweller Dec 2016 #133

I know two Trump voters personally Generator Dec 2016 #11

How the hell does a "neo-Nazi who has lost his mind " live in a million dollar house ????? dixiegrrrrl Dec 2016 #99

You don't win people over by saying they were stupid to vote the way they did Quixote1818 Dec 2016 #12

Normalizing Trump is in no way necessary to make that case. Nt NCTraveler Dec 2016 #16

Right uponit7771 Dec 2016 #34

Liberals don't win at all thejoker123 Dec 2016 #20

We don't win on financial issues because our politicians answer to many of the same donors as Dustlawyer Dec 2016 #60

Yes. potone Dec 2016 #87

Truly worried on this end as well! Dustlawyer Dec 2016 #93

What can we do? potone Dec 2016 #100

+1 nt riderinthestorm Dec 2016 #101

Good reminder of teh achievements of Bernie's campaign flamingdem Dec 2016 #138

How would you do it? Someone certainly needs to break it to union members that repugs . . . brush Dec 2016 #23

I would have had the audience ask me questions thejoker123 Dec 2016 #40

Politicians cannot do that alone standingtall Dec 2016 #121

True, but Democratic politicians when they have an audience of union members should speak up too. brush Dec 2016 #122

FDR passed through legislation that made collective bargaining easier standingtall Dec 2016 #125

I'd have asked them in a "nice" way ... LenaBaby61 Dec 2016 #36

It's frustrating because both he and Hayes are letting these people octoberlib Dec 2016 #14

I know right? Why do they keep coddling these folks? ecstatic Dec 2016 #27

I just deleted All In from the DVR rotation Starry Messenger Dec 2016 #15

You prefer the, "you're all fucking idiots", double bird approach? Barack_America Dec 2016 #17

How did the nice guy liberal tactic work? thejoker123 Dec 2016 #26

For Bernie? Well? Barack_America Dec 2016 #85

How do you figure? thejoker123 Dec 2016 #91

and yet he is still loved and respected by millions Fiendish Thingy Dec 2016 #124

We know how it worked. hollowdweller Dec 2016 #134

I could only stomach .... LenaBaby61 Dec 2016 #19

I'm still watching. It's still beyond me why he's doing this. nolabear Dec 2016 #21

Because that's what he does. LisaM Dec 2016 #29

I did the same. He was pandering and there for self promoting... arthritisR_US Dec 2016 #22

He's returning to form. And this panel is a f*cking joke! ecstatic Dec 2016 #25

Did these supposed union workers also NOT VOTE FOR RUSS FEINGOLD? still_one Dec 2016 #28

I am so glad blue cat Dec 2016 #30

Normalizing is a strategy at this point bucolic_frolic Dec 2016 #33

No... they'll blame the failures of their policies on the Democrats like they usually do uponit7771 Dec 2016 #37

Lol, you knew to American politics? thejoker123 Dec 2016 #45

That's great bucolic_frolic Dec 2016 #57

I was actually serious thejoker123 Dec 2016 #68

And I would have to think bucolic_frolic Dec 2016 #77

Agree to disagree (eom) thejoker123 Dec 2016 #83

absolutely Locrian Dec 2016 #130

K & R SunSeeker Dec 2016 #35

You people haven't watched long enough. shraby Dec 2016 #39

Bernie is on point, we have a yuuuge job to educate people flamingdem Dec 2016 #43

They've been conditioned (brain washed) The Wizard Dec 2016 #103

I was only referring to the first 15 minutes thejoker123 Dec 2016 #46

Post removed Post removed Dec 2016 #70

Lol, was a fan of Bernie well before most even heard of him. thejoker123 Dec 2016 #73

I agree it's painful to watch and listen Terry_M Dec 2016 #41

He just doesn't get it, as though his criticism of Clinton during the primary campaign... George II Dec 2016 #44

Lol for me it was around 2am election night (eom) thejoker123 Dec 2016 #48

And his behavior at the convention. LisaM Dec 2016 #49

I couldn't believe his attitude the week of the convention and then his glaring frown.... George II Dec 2016 #54

Debbie Wasserman Schultz resigned as DNC chair the day before the convention. Any thoughts on that? think Dec 2016 #58

If you start a thread on that topic I'd be happy to give you my thoughts. Deal? George II Dec 2016 #78

Thanks for your response. /nt think Dec 2016 #79

This message was self-deleted by its author elmac Dec 2016 #74

Bernie Sanders' convention speech Eric J in MN Dec 2016 #82

Yeah, wow, that really put the nail in the coffin. mountain grammy Dec 2016 #108

If you watch more than 10 damn Doreen Dec 2016 #50

Save your breath, Doreen. Their hatred for Bernie is too deep. TonyPDX Dec 2016 #55

He completely normalized Trump thejoker123 Dec 2016 #63

You said you watched 10 minutes then turned it. Doreen Dec 2016 #69

Ok I'll watch the late reshowing tonight. So tell me thejoker123 Dec 2016 #81

It's okay Politicub Dec 2016 #56

Contrast that with his reaction BainsBane Dec 2016 #59

omg.. that's right. smh Cha Dec 2016 #116

Still waiting for a statement on the Russian hacking theglammistress Dec 2016 #62

Here. From yesterday. TCJ70 Dec 2016 #66

Sanders: Trump's dismissal of Russian interference 'makes no sense' think Dec 2016 #67

Fair enough theglammistress Dec 2016 #71

If you didn't watch the whole thing, you can't fairly judge it Martin Eden Dec 2016 #64

I don't think this is the appropriate time ... kentuck Dec 2016 #65

Thank God for Sanders, if not for him NO ONE will ask Republicans any questions. "joker" Sunlei Dec 2016 #75

You know, this circular firing squad is just what putin fascists like elmac Dec 2016 #76

You mean the ones thejoker123 Dec 2016 #88

Jen Palmieri, Hillary's communications director, just described the town hall as "terrific" bullwinkle428 Dec 2016 #84

LOL, ah, that's great. SMC22307 Dec 2016 #146

Nope- as Van Jones is trying, Bernie is normalizing the suffering of the working class Fiendish Thingy Dec 2016 #95

Yep, historically playing nice has always beaten fascists thejoker123 Dec 2016 #98

Are you insinuating all Trump voters are fascists? Fiendish Thingy Dec 2016 #114

our problems run so much deeper thejoker123 Dec 2016 #119

Sanders just reminded me .... flying-skeleton Dec 2016 #96

HRC lost the general election to Donald Trump who was outspent by HRC 2 to 1 Larkspur Dec 2016 #112

If you factor in all the free media that Trump got, the "value" of Trump's campaign greatly MADem Dec 2016 #118

Sanders is not a stupid man. He's quite wily Warpy Dec 2016 #102

End of the day Flatpicker Dec 2016 #104

Simple fact: you are not going to change anybody's mind Ghost OF Trotsky Dec 2016 #105

Do you know why liberals win thejoker123 Dec 2016 #109

On point standingtall Dec 2016 #127

There is a medium ground between normalizing DT and screaming at his supporters, pnwmom Dec 2016 #126

I thought it was interesting actually Lotusflower70 Dec 2016 #106

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Bernie is the reason thejoker123 Dec 2016 #111

It was an excellent town hall by Sanders Larkspur Dec 2016 #110

Yes, we need more of this. Knowledge is power. You don't get knowledge... LAS14 Dec 2016 #113

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He spent that town hall dragging these people out of the darkness, educating them. DemocraticWing Dec 2016 #120

In the end I understood the Bernie is very profound and realizes flamingdem Dec 2016 #123

Here is a link so that you can watch it for yourselves CentralMass Dec 2016 #128

If Trump voters deserve to be normalized... DemocratSinceBirth Dec 2016 #129

If you're looking for a revolutionary, you're not going to find in the realm of American politics MrScorpio Dec 2016 #131

I watched toward the end DeminPennswoods Dec 2016 #132

My republican Hispanic friend is a huge Bernie fan. azmom Dec 2016 #135

.. Cha Dec 2016 #140

Some Of Those People Were What Bothered Me colsohlibgal Dec 2016 #141

Sanders position in this town hall is really dumb and wrong Gothmog Dec 2016 #142

he is proving why I never "Felt the Bern" Skittles Dec 2016 #144