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muriel_volestrangler

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20. I disagree; I think you'll find many people who feel like this:

Thu Dec 29, 2011, 08:35 AM

Dec 2011

'After elaborately laying out all the reasons to vote AGAINST the Iraq War, then-Senator Clinton turned right around and voted FOR it. She doesn't have any core values.

It's difficult to believe that Democrats would fund a Draft Hillary effort without Hillary's tacit approval. Lacking any core values, Hillary's only concern would be that it not be tied back to her. That would be lawyer-like and sneaky, adjectives that have often been used to descriibe Hillary.'

That's the kind of viewpoint that I find on some Democratic discussion forums, and obviously you'd want to have a huge fight with someone who feels so opposed to you. So I'll give you a link so you can go and argue: http://www.democraticunderground.com/?com=view_post&forum=1002&pid=82968

Feel free to take your argument to a private venue, since it seems so important to both of you.

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This message was self-deleted by its author [View all] SoDesuKa Dec 2011 OP

Hillary would have had the same Congress and same issues to deal with treestar Dec 2011 #1

Would Hillary jail the Banksters FreakinDJ Dec 2011 #3

Beneficiaries of a corrupt monetary system would be hard-pressed to levy justice upon it... Larry Ogg Dec 2011 #41

LOL Mr Dixon Dec 2011 #18

"And things would have turned out pretty much the same. " Charlemagne Dec 2011 #73

Right! treestar Dec 2011 #77

Why don't we Talk about an Al Gore America? orpupilofnature57 Dec 2011 #2

Or Nader, or Kucinich Major Nikon Dec 2011 #39

I fully support President Obama liberal N proud Dec 2011 #4

He is our only option Charlemagne Dec 2011 #72

No propaganda here will make me think Obama has done a good job Vattel Dec 2011 #103

I fully support the President liberal N proud Dec 2011 #106

That is a ridiculous claim. ("no propaganda claiming Obama has done a good job") Vattel Dec 2011 #109

I voted for Hillary during the primary NNN0LHI Dec 2011 #5

I voted for Hillary and contributed mightily to her campaign. bluestate10 Dec 2011 #101

As somebody who supported Obama, mythology Dec 2011 #108

Keep dreaming...nt SidDithers Dec 2011 #6

If you think they hate the "Kenyan Muslim" TexasProgresive Dec 2011 #7

Why are you trying to stir up crap? Botany Dec 2011 #8

This message was self-deleted by its author SoDesuKa Dec 2011 #40

Do not put bull shit on toast and tell me to "eat up it is just country style apple butter" Botany Dec 2011 #52

It was GOP money that paid for those robocalls--make no mistake. MADem Dec 2011 #58

Lame and totally unworkable. Cooley Hurd Dec 2011 #9

PUMA crap. Odin2005 Dec 2011 #10

If you're suggesting that the people who were ardent supporters of Hillary in 08 would back this MADem Dec 2011 #59

+1. nt sufrommich Dec 2011 #62

I was a big 08 Hillary backer. I prefer President Obama now. No contest. nt bluestate10 Dec 2011 #102

HRC.. sendero Dec 2011 #11

I have two words for you: Ronald Reagan. moriah Dec 2011 #12

+1000 JCMach1 Dec 2011 #14

you have cause and effect mixed up, if you are implying the challenge led to the loss SixthSense Dec 2011 #17

The Republican smear machine was working overtime way before the election Major Nikon Dec 2011 #45

The Iranian hostage crisis. Adsos Letter Dec 2011 #55

I voted for Hillary in the Primary for exactly the reasons I feel Obama JCMach1 Dec 2011 #13

I would vote for Hillary over Obama at this point slay Dec 2011 #15

Hmmmm? ProSense Dec 2011 #23

I voted for Obama in 2008 and in the primaries - and he has been a total disappointment slay Dec 2011 #78

So you suspect HRC is behind the robocalls. That says alot. n/t lamp_shade Dec 2011 #16

. ProSense Dec 2011 #24

This message was self-deleted by its author SoDesuKa Dec 2011 #35

I think ProSense Dec 2011 #60

You cant call someone out to provide facts Charlemagne Dec 2011 #75

Since Hillary was raised republican, B Calm Dec 2011 #19

Think about what you are saying karynnj Dec 2011 #36

I disagree; I think you'll find many people who feel like this: muriel_volestrangler Dec 2011 #20

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What I mean is your multiple personalities should argue among themselves muriel_volestrangler Dec 2011 #42

+1 nt MADem Dec 2011 #61

She isn't running. Not a worthwhile conversation. mmonk Dec 2011 #21

A person who isn't running could not possibly be "more effective" than one who is. baldguy Dec 2011 #22

Thank you. GoCubsGo Dec 2011 #25

uh yeah, NO. Schema Thing Dec 2011 #26

Ah jeez... WilliamPitt Dec 2011 #27

Pitt FTW n/t lapislzi Dec 2011 #32

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Exactly what I thought. xmas74 Dec 2011 #46

This thread is an argument for the return of UNREC. MADem Dec 2011 #63

I doubt she would be.. 99Forever Dec 2011 #28

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Not going to happen karynnj Dec 2011 #30

Stop. lapislzi Dec 2011 #31

Hillary just called to say how sweet A-Schwarzenegger Dec 2011 #33

This is a joke right? BootinUp Dec 2011 #37

Carl Rove thinks Hillary is the best thing the Democractic Party has. Life Long Dem Dec 2011 #43

This is really offensive and belongs in creative speculation cthulu2016 Dec 2011 #44

+1 MilesColtrane Dec 2011 #66

I'll rec...she's too hawkish for my tastes, but Obama has been a disaster... joeybee12 Dec 2011 #47

Hypothetical fantasy presidents are always better than reality. NYC Liberal Dec 2011 #48

Stir, stir, stir... one_voice Dec 2011 #49

Hillary is a TERRIBLE speaker Eliminator Dec 2011 #50

This thread has as much value as "Mothra v. King Kong" discussions alcibiades_mystery Dec 2011 #51

By far the best post in this entire thread! Kudos! onenote Dec 2011 #76

But she is never running for office again, so what's your point? MjolnirTime Dec 2011 #53

... CakeGrrl Dec 2011 #54

this is just the kind of thread meant to revisit old passions from 08 book_worm Dec 2011 #56

ofgs n/t librechik Dec 2011 #57

I cannot WAIT until CakeGrrl Dec 2011 #64

You have inspired me to start my campaign to draft Thomas Jefferson to run against Obama. MilesColtrane Dec 2011 #65

I'm mystified how Hillary improves the situation toddaa Dec 2011 #67

Apparently, this is the only way to CakeGrrl Dec 2011 #71

Motivate them to do what, exactly... Triangulate themselves? toddaa Dec 2011 #74

She improves it for the GOP looking for a Divide and Conquer wedge. Most of us aren't that stupid, MADem Dec 2011 #111

With all due respect Charlemagne Dec 2011 #68

I don't think I agree with this. dawg Dec 2011 #69

(cough) bullshit AtomicKitten Dec 2011 #70

Why is this even an issue? ohheckyeah Dec 2011 #79

Because Robert Reich wrote his daydream on the intertubes yesterday. CakeGrrl Dec 2011 #84

the daily dose of DU insanity cali Dec 2011 #80

Kinda like choosing between unflavored pablum and flavorless pablum. Two 3rd Way Democrats. Tierra_y_Libertad Dec 2011 #81

I imagine you place much more faith in tea-leaves than I do. LanternWaste Dec 2011 #82

This is just nonsense. aquart Dec 2011 #83

It's silly to use Hillary to try to divide people against Obama gulliver Dec 2011 #85

reality check RainDog Dec 2011 #86

not a lick of difference MattBaggins Dec 2011 #87

You must think she's a highly manipulative, disloyal, & dishonest person. Bucky Dec 2011 #88

Total bullshit LiberalFighter Dec 2011 #89

True. Second term Obama depends on 2012 and 2014 Congresses. treestar Dec 2011 #92

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Total Troll Botany Dec 2011 #95

And why should anyone believe that Hillary would be LESS likely rocktivity Dec 2011 #97

You make a good point. bluestate10 Dec 2011 #104

Bullshit. Lil Missy Dec 2011 #90

Did something just go running through here? tjwash Dec 2011 #91

YAWWWWWWWWN DeathToTheOil Dec 2011 #96

Hillary has said she will NOT run for elected office in the future, she's retiring ... Tx4obama Dec 2011 #98

OH NOOOO! Not this again . . . nt mistertrickster Dec 2011 #99

Hoo boy...... marmar Dec 2011 #100

She isn't running. eom tledford Dec 2011 #105

Thanks for all the hard work on our behalf. Ikonoklast Dec 2011 #107

comedy gold. Warren DeMontague Dec 2011 #110

lolsnort Lord Helmet Dec 2011 #112

A difference in style and "face" is meaningless and probably counterproductive TheKentuckian Dec 2011 #113