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Amimnoch

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101. Having a few ideas of similarity does not a Roosevelt make.

Thu Dec 29, 2016, 06:38 AM

Dec 2016

FDR never identified as an independent, heckling the party he supported from the outside.

FDR built a coalition for the new deal that included bankers, labor, oil, and included all of the Democratic party insiders, religious minorities, and minorities for many different walks of life. It was so effective that political scientists, and journalists of the time referred to the coalition as the "fifth party system". FDR built bridges to form this coalition, not sat on the outside heckling everyone with differing points of view.

The New Deal President wasn't a political and financial outsider, identifying himself as an independent that sat back and criticized/insulted the coalition he wanted to build.

Having a few ideas that mirror the spirit of the New Deal President while behaving in a manner completely contrary to the New Deal President doesn't make for a new New Deal President.

You cannot spew rhetoric that divides the coalition you want to build, and expect it to produce a coalition that is effective. Perhaps I am not the one that needs to "wake up".

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Bernie and Elizabeth gearing up to head [View all] rainy Dec 2016 OP

wonderful, wonderful... CTyankee Dec 2016 #1

ditto, ditto... ananda Dec 2016 #7

Just one minor detail, he's again not a Democrat. brush Dec 2016 #42

I don't care wether he's a Dem, an Indi, or some new Party, I like what he says and how he says it.+ napi21 Dec 2016 #55

WTH doesn't he just join the party and stay in it? brush Dec 2016 #56

Why does he have to? Why does the label matter more than the actual work? The Velveteen Ocelot Dec 2016 #77

One reason is, some feel he uses the party for exposure he can't get as an independent brush Dec 2016 #83

"Some feel"? Who are "some"? And why does his party identification The Velveteen Ocelot Dec 2016 #84

Call bullshit if you want. It was discussed many times here during the primaries brush Dec 2016 #87

"It was discussed many times here" LiberalLovinLug Dec 2016 #116

Really, I'm not stalking you! True Dough Dec 2016 #90

Thank you! The Velveteen Ocelot Dec 2016 #91

Ask him why it matters to him to not stay in the party. Why is not being a Democrat important to him brush Dec 2016 #85

Because it isn't important to him, and that's his decision. The Velveteen Ocelot Dec 2016 #88

My friend - do not worry JustAnotherGen Dec 2016 #100

Where the hell do I safeinOhio Dec 2016 #2

+1! eleny Dec 2016 #8

Now, we're talking! Eleanors38 Dec 2016 #3

Count me in! Chasstev365 Dec 2016 #4

Sanders and Warren. Iggo Dec 2016 #5

K&R red dog 1 Dec 2016 #6

I'm in! Greybnk48 Dec 2016 #9

I'm all in, and not to worry... the naysayers will jump on board the Bernie Bandwagon before long! The movement he started will NOT go quietly into the night, count on it!! InAbLuEsTaTe Dec 2016 #21

I have no idea if THEIR idea is Bernie and Liz 2020. pangaia Dec 2016 #58

In my opinion those people who keep saying that over and over and over and over and over and pangaia Dec 2016 #57

'If the Democratic party rejects the Sanders base, it will be at their extreme peril.' elleng Dec 2016 #10

+1000! jalan48 Dec 2016 #17

It will be the death knell of the Democratic Party... why I don't see that happening, as more and more people are warming to Bernie... InAbLuEsTaTe Dec 2016 #23

I hope you're right, as to 'not happening,' elleng Dec 2016 #26

Just give it time; nerves are still frayed so soon after the election. Bernie has a way of winnin over people-they'll see he was right all along... InAbLuEsTaTe Dec 2016 #28

WITH YOU, re: TIME. elleng Dec 2016 #29

You left out the first part of the quote about divisiveness. R B Garr Dec 2016 #93

IF it has been 'divisive,' elleng Dec 2016 #95

Quote about divisiveness from right before your pick: R B Garr Dec 2016 #96

DIVISION, fact. elleng Dec 2016 #97

Sanders's base is not the Democratic party's base. Grey Lemercier Dec 2016 #107

No. elleng Dec 2016 #115

They make for a powerful 1-2 punch! PatsFan87 Dec 2016 #11

GREAT news! n/t CousinIT Dec 2016 #12

Warren - fine OKNancy Dec 2016 #13

Bernie has been consistent with his views for decades. CentralMass Dec 2016 #15

Thanks for this, CentralMass. elleng Dec 2016 #18

Agreed! GreenPartyVoter Dec 2016 #31

I know. It is appalling. pangaia Dec 2016 #61

Agree. Amimnoch Dec 2016 #35

WTF Are You Talking About OldYallow Dec 2016 #37

Having a few ideas of similarity does not a Roosevelt make. Amimnoch Dec 2016 #101

Tortured Logic ProfessorGAC Dec 2016 #108

Tortured logic? Amimnoch Dec 2016 #109

I agree with you OKNancy. When he stops calling himself a Dem at his convenience only Maru Kitteh Dec 2016 #54

So, am I right that it is not what he says and does that is important t you, pangaia Dec 2016 #62

What do you think his motives are? pangaia Dec 2016 #60

The claim is unsourced. lapucelle Dec 2016 #14

Yeah baby! jalan48 Dec 2016 #16

And I know who their perfect candidate should be for 2020. world wide wally Dec 2016 #19

They are free to join Patty Murray and other progressives leading the party. n/t pnwmom Dec 2016 #20

Gosh on the surface, you comment almost sounds nice... Raster Dec 2016 #24

So does the OP. pnwmom Dec 2016 #25

It's a DIRECT QUOTE from the article in Salon. Raster Dec 2016 #27

So? The OP chose to post it, implying an endorsement of the views it expressed. n/t pnwmom Dec 2016 #32

Yay yay yay zonkers Dec 2016 #22

yippee NJCher Dec 2016 #30

I am a proud member of the Elizabeth Warren/Bernie Sanders faction of the Democratic Party! Feeling the Bern Dec 2016 #33

Bernie and Warren zentrum Dec 2016 #34

If the goal is to unite Democrats BainsBane Dec 2016 #36

Divisive? OldYallow Dec 2016 #38

Yes, divisive BainsBane Dec 2016 #39

That's not what the op is about OldYallow Dec 2016 #40

My mistake BainsBane Dec 2016 #41

As an outside observer jimlup Dec 2016 #44

Really? BainsBane Dec 2016 #48

your inflating your own importance jimlup Dec 2016 #51

Good point. There's a lot of... Beartracks Dec 2016 #72

I like your post. And one "minor" thing that most here seem to forget or purposely overlook . . . brush Dec 2016 #46

Apparently Schumer views it differently, since he made Sanders a member of the Dem leadership team. JudyM Dec 2016 #49

I don't view it that way. And what's with Sanders? If he wants to be a Dem so bad, just join already brush Dec 2016 #50

By Bernie's own words, Schumer is a Wall Streeter. But I guess that's okay R B Garr Dec 2016 #94

He has caucused with the Democratic Party for decades. And he works with the system as it exists. JudyM Dec 2016 #102

Well, everyone works within the system as it exists, so he gets no special R B Garr Dec 2016 #105

He IS a democrat. pangaia Dec 2016 #63

Do your research. He went back to being an independent. brush Dec 2016 #69

But, you see, or don't see,.. that is not what I am talking about. pangaia Dec 2016 #71

Whatever you're talking about, the fact is he went back to being an independent brush Dec 2016 #73

Mr/Ms Brush. I am talking about something totally different. pangaia Dec 2016 #76

I'd tell him to just join the party and stay in it. What's with the leaving himself an out crap? brush Dec 2016 #81

The ACTUAL Democrats in the ACTUAL Senate The Velveteen Ocelot Dec 2016 #82

Wait, I'm on you side. Did I mis-understand what you said? pangaia Dec 2016 #86

I was replying to the other poster, The Velveteen Ocelot Dec 2016 #89

Thanks. That's what I thought.but sometimes it's hard to tell which posts go where on my tablet. pangaia Dec 2016 #98

Maybe I shouldn't be posting here, because technically The Velveteen Ocelot Dec 2016 #70

Humm... that's a difficult question. :))) pangaia Dec 2016 #74

I'm wondering whether Joe Manchin, who is a "real" Democrat, The Velveteen Ocelot Dec 2016 #92

Lol! I don't want to find out ....about his ass, that is. pangaia Dec 2016 #99

And yet Warren seems quite satisfied to be working with him. The Velveteen Ocelot Dec 2016 #52

What is your point? BainsBane Dec 2016 #53

My point is that many actual Democrats in the actual Senate The Velveteen Ocelot Dec 2016 #59

Right. This whole 'Bernie is not a Democrat' thing shows a couple things. pangaia Dec 2016 #64

and it appears that too many, around here anyway, can't or won't elleng Dec 2016 #65

Whew..thanks... I am waiting to get wacked again, like a couple days ago. :))) pangaia Dec 2016 #66

If he registered as a Democrat The Velveteen Ocelot Dec 2016 #67

There is no damn reason to slam him. elleng Dec 2016 #68

Of course there isn't. He's been working his butt off, The Velveteen Ocelot Dec 2016 #75

I don't care if she speaks out, elleng Dec 2016 #78

A few comments from Hillary about party unity and the need to oppose Trump The Velveteen Ocelot Dec 2016 #79

Might do. elleng Dec 2016 #80

He still wouldn't be Hillary Clinton. Iggo Dec 2016 #112

No, of course not. He wasn't trying to be. The Velveteen Ocelot Dec 2016 #113

Well-said. Now if only that could be understood. JudyM Dec 2016 #111

Go Bernie! jimlup Dec 2016 #43

lol, if sanders can campaign hard from a prop that couldn't pass in CA jimw81 Dec 2016 #45

Bernie has been working very hard in the last month to get his people placed HoneyBadger Dec 2016 #47

Yay! ...and Mike Nelson Dec 2016 #103

Hate to break it to you but this ticket loses in a landslide moda253 Dec 2016 #104

Yeah, well, we all thought Clinton/Kaine was going to win in a landslide. The Velveteen Ocelot Dec 2016 #114

I welcome it. Gee, go figure, some of us don't WANT to be economic Republicans. HughBeaumont Dec 2016 #106

KIck and rec! Now that's a power couple Arazi Dec 2016 #110

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