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In reply to the discussion: Gun Homicide Rates Up 31 Percent Since Stand Your Ground(FL) [View all]HAB911
(10,469 posts)60. Stand Your Ground law not working as intended despite changing self defense in Florida
http://jacksonville.com/news/crime/2015-11-21/story/stand-your-ground-law-not-working-intended-despite-changing-self-defense
Its been a decade since Florida enacted a Stand Your Ground law designed to provide a simpler, faster, cheaper legal path for those defending themselves against accusations related to deadly force. And while that path still exists, it is infrequently used by defendants and even less frequently successful for them.
Meanwhile, the law has created ambiguities and misunderstandings about self-defense in Florida that are impacting the way deadly-force cases are defended and decided.
Records show that since the Stand Your Ground law was implemented, there have been 64 cases filed in Duval County in which defendants charged with felonies claimed self-defense and requested a Stand Your Ground hearing. Of those hearings, judges granted dismissals in just four. Eight defendants twice as many were acquitted after a trial. The other 52 reached plea deals, were convicted by juries, were committed to mental institutions or are still awaiting trial.
One of the four defendants whose charges were dismissed after Stand Your Ground hearings was Leonard Dillard, accused in the stabbing of Albert Camp outside a Main Street sports bar. Dillard was arrested in December 2011, but his Stand Your Ground claim wasnt granted until September 2014. Circuit Judge Adrian G. Soud presided. He looked right at me and said, Mr. Dillard, this case is dismissed. I thought I could breathe again for the first time since Id been arrested.
Its been a decade since Florida enacted a Stand Your Ground law designed to provide a simpler, faster, cheaper legal path for those defending themselves against accusations related to deadly force. And while that path still exists, it is infrequently used by defendants and even less frequently successful for them.
Meanwhile, the law has created ambiguities and misunderstandings about self-defense in Florida that are impacting the way deadly-force cases are defended and decided.
Records show that since the Stand Your Ground law was implemented, there have been 64 cases filed in Duval County in which defendants charged with felonies claimed self-defense and requested a Stand Your Ground hearing. Of those hearings, judges granted dismissals in just four. Eight defendants twice as many were acquitted after a trial. The other 52 reached plea deals, were convicted by juries, were committed to mental institutions or are still awaiting trial.
One of the four defendants whose charges were dismissed after Stand Your Ground hearings was Leonard Dillard, accused in the stabbing of Albert Camp outside a Main Street sports bar. Dillard was arrested in December 2011, but his Stand Your Ground claim wasnt granted until September 2014. Circuit Judge Adrian G. Soud presided. He looked right at me and said, Mr. Dillard, this case is dismissed. I thought I could breathe again for the first time since Id been arrested.
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Study "did not find enough evidence to definitively find the law caused the increase"
Marengo
Dec 2016
#1
"...the STG law in Florida has resulted in far more harm occurring than it was argued it would"
etherealtruth
Dec 2016
#3
Apparently, human beings engaged in a multitude of activities of daily living
etherealtruth
Dec 2016
#15
Perhsps if that "some" had not included criminally threatening activities in their activities...
Marengo
Dec 2016
#16
Thats an odd take ... What level of "criminality" entitles one to murder?
etherealtruth
Dec 2016
#17
Wouldn't that level be established by the statute in question? Murder is an unlawful killing.
Marengo
Dec 2016
#20
...or murder is the taking of a life with cause or justificatiion (a moral decision)
etherealtruth
Dec 2016
#26
I did not ask your opinion as to the morality of the law in question. I asked if the majority...
Marengo
Jan 2017
#58
More than half were ... google SYG Florida and you will be provided a wealth of information
etherealtruth
Jan 2017
#59
Oh, In Trayvon Martin's case, walking home. In Jordan Davis's case, riding in a car with friends.
Hoyt
Dec 2016
#32
Can you provide a cite to an example of an NRA certified instructor recommending to "never tell...
Marengo
Dec 2016
#33
The last sentence, I am quoting racist gun lovers. The NRA most certainly tells you to say you were
Hoyt
Dec 2016
#35
Still waiting for the source (s) of the quote. You do understand what a quote is, correct?
Marengo
Jan 2017
#42
I think most cases could be handled without resorting to a gun. But, gunners have invested too
Hoyt
Dec 2016
#36
When most of your DU posts are in support of lethal weapons, I'd say "gunner" likely applies.
Hoyt
Jan 2017
#44
These persons are most likely racists waiting for a chance to kill? Can you give us usernames?
Marengo
Jan 2017
#45
I don't expect someone enamored with gunz to understand the use of quotation marks or anything
Hoyt
Jan 2017
#49
You: "I am quoting racist gun lovers". Can you cite or link to the source of these statements?
Marengo
Jan 2017
#51
Point taken. However, I would argue that protection is accomplished with the neutralization...
Marengo
Dec 2016
#12
The actual study cited an increase in the rate of homicide ... not gun violence.
etherealtruth
Dec 2016
#28
I found it earlier (via a backdoor google, but can't recreate to get to it ... articles dated 1/2017
etherealtruth
Dec 2016
#31