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suffragette

(12,232 posts)
17. The problem is that they'll limit it to voting fraud and not investigate election fraud.
Tue Jan 24, 2017, 05:14 PM
Jan 2017

I don't disagree with what you are proposing. Unfortunately, history shows that's not the direction the Republican majority would allow or take.

They've done that before when they tried to overturn Sanchez's victory over Dornan in California.

Back then, even all the attempts to repress the Latino vote (and there were many documented ones) weren't enough to keep Dornan in his seat.

Dornan kept screaming about voter fraud by "illegals" and throwing out wild stories about 'proof' that undocumented people had voted for Sanchez. He was very similar to Trump in many ways.

The LA Times ran quite a number of articles on this at the time, including investigative reporting that debunked some of his most flagrant lies.

Republicans in DC pushed for an investigation. They supposedly found a certain number of fraudulent votes. That number and the supposed fact that some were found was reported, of course as fact even though that was suspect as well. Still, not surprisingly, they could not find enough of a difference to overturn the result that Sanchez won.

While they were doing this, they also pushed for new legislation to make it even harder to register and vote. That is another part of why they push this BS about voter fraud so hard.

Meanwhile the genuine issue of the voter repression that occurred was not given the attention and was not being investigated.

http://articles.latimes.com/1997/sep/28/local/me-37111

At issue is whether illegal votes were cast, and for whom. Dornan has long contended that efforts to recruit new minority voters for Sanchez helped result in voting irregularities that cost him the election. Sanchez's campaign hotly disputes that.

Sanchez spokesman John Shallman said that if Republicans can show there are 984 individuals who voted fraudulently and that they cast ballots for Sanchez, then there should be a new election.

However, he said Sanchez and Democrats have reservations about the objectivity of the investigation.

"Thus far, the investigation has been anything but fair," he said. "It has been a farce."


http://www.cnn.com/ALLPOLITICS/1998/02/13/cq/sanchez.html

"The fact that we ended up with 748 illegal votes makes it clear his allegations had merit," Ehlers said.

Democrats have characterized the probe as a witch hunt, charging that Republicans sought to unfairly single out and intimidate Hispanic voters. Rep. Steny H. Hoyer of Maryland, the lone Democrat on the task force, said of the panel's recommendation, "It's never too late to do the right thing."

Sanchez celebrated surrounded by House Minority Leader Richard A. Gephardt, D-Mo., and cheering Democratic lawmakers and staff at a rally held just after the task force's decision. "I feel great," Sanchez said. "When you stand up and you fight for something and you know that you're right, justice can prevail."

Gephardt said: "Loretta won this election fair and square. There's never been a doubt in my mind."



http://articles.latimes.com/1998/feb/13/local/me-18643

In a report released Thursday, Republican members of the committee provided new details about the investigation. The details, however, cast doubt even on the 624 votes that were identified as illegally cast because of citizenship questions.

The committee had arrived at this figure by matching Orange County voter rolls with data provided by the INS. But in at least 226 of the cases, differences in addresses or signatures raised questions about whether the matches were precise.

"We categorically deny that there is substantial proof that there is anywhere near 600, 500, 400, 300, 200 improper votes," said Rep. Steny H. Hoyer (D-Md.), a member of the task force that conducted the probe. "Our analysis shows that their number is wildly inflated."

Republicans on the oversight panel said that while investigators were unable to prove there were more illegal votes than Sanchez's margin of victory, the findings were nonetheless troubling.



On top of all that, Dornan and his family actually made money from all this.

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right on! triron Jan 2017 #1
Yep, they trot it out as needed. suffragette Jan 2017 #3
That's Why The Dems Need To Be On The Offensive Today As Trump Is Providing Them With.... global1 Jan 2017 #2
Excellent. I wish it was possible to "Rec" a reply. n/t Mister Ed Jan 2017 #12
The problem is that they'll limit it to voting fraud and not investigate election fraud. suffragette Jan 2017 #17
knr triron Jan 2017 #21
That Was A Long Time Ago And The Repugs At That Time Wanted To Turn The Election In Their Favor.... global1 Jan 2017 #32
Part of me agrees with you but I still think they would manipulate it into pushing through suffragette Jan 2017 #65
+1. n/t rzemanfl Jan 2017 #33
+ 1000 red dog 1 Jan 2017 #44
I'm going to call all my congresscritters to press for this. Hopefully others will, as well. JudyM Jan 2017 #61
+ 1 red dog 1 Jan 2017 #67
Yes! Everything he does is done to cover something up radical noodle Jan 2017 #4
Yep and to push for their agenda. suffragette Jan 2017 #23
Spot on! Truth...nt Wounded Bear Jan 2017 #5
Thanks! suffragette Jan 2017 #24
The right wing always projects. NRaleighLiberal Jan 2017 #6
That they do. suffragette Jan 2017 #26
Trump HAS A TELL- any sin, vice or corruption he mentions, it's projection. Did or doing it. n/t Turn CO Blue Jan 2017 #7
Yes, he's the projector-in-chief. suffragette Jan 2017 #50
I thought KKKobach's Crosscheck program... Cracklin Charlie Jan 2017 #8
Maybe Trump heard just enough from Kobach that he picked up the idea of millions of illegal votes. Amaryllis Jan 2017 #42
They know Crosscheck is about purging likely Democratic voters. suffragette Jan 2017 #48
Exactly! And this bait and switch method of theirs needs to be spread unitedwethrive Jan 2017 #9
Oh, yes. And called out for what it is. suffragette Jan 2017 #56
It has to be. alarimer Jan 2017 #10
Projection and manipulation. Over and over and over again. suffragette Jan 2017 #57
brava suffragette saidsimplesimon Jan 2017 #11
Yes, too many look at the headline and not below it. At least some of the headlines on this suffragette Jan 2017 #59
Let me be clear saidsimplesimon Jan 2017 #62
This message was self-deleted by its author Pacifist Patriot Jan 2017 #13
Very well stated. Did you see Padilla's response. Also well put. suffragette Jan 2017 #40
here's an explanation for how vote tally programming/results were stolen Rene Jan 2017 #14
Well here's an analysis done by Ron Baiman Ph. D. triron Jan 2017 #16
Not really loyalsister Jan 2017 #15
I'm not saying ignore it. It needs to be countered by noting that voter suppression is a far suffragette Jan 2017 #19
It inadvertantly backs Trumps accusations to declare fraud without ample evidence loyalsister Jan 2017 #22
I feel like we're talking past each other when we really agree, at least mostly. suffragette Jan 2017 #25
kick for visibility triron Jan 2017 #18
And Greg Palast has the data. Chalco Jan 2017 #20
Greg has part of the answer. triron Jan 2017 #28
True. nt Chalco Jan 2017 #37
They'll use it to justify more purging and restrictions IronLionZion Jan 2017 #27
Yes. They've been doing this for a long time and are ramping up to increase even more. suffragette Jan 2017 #41
That's right, they're laying down markers for future disenfranchisement efforts, rec, Nt Mc Mike Jan 2017 #47
They've already been doing so much of this. Now they're prepping to kick into higher gear. suffragette Jan 2017 #60
They're already miserably sucky human beings, when they get emboldened they're even worse. Mc Mike Jan 2017 #73
Trumped the shark C_U_L8R Jan 2017 #29
Trump is slowing sinking into insanity.. townie Jan 2017 #30
From an attorney who I know at the Brennan Center Gothmog Jan 2017 #31
I Think that is not all Oldtimeralso Jan 2017 #35
Yes, they've done it in the past and now are trying to do it on an even larger scale. suffragette Jan 2017 #63
Everything he says is a false flag bighart Jan 2017 #34
knr triron Jan 2017 #36
I wonder if there is any way at all an ordinary citizen could sue for a new election based upon Vinca Jan 2017 #38
exactly; it's essentially fake news to distract from the true election fraud worked by repugs. nt TheFrenchRazor Jan 2017 #39
Yes and to push for even more voter repression. suffragette Jan 2017 #69
It also justifies rigid voter ID laws and Crosscheck type operations. Have to prevent all those Amaryllis Jan 2017 #43
KICK! red dog 1 Jan 2017 #45
News Headlines Bear Creek Jan 2017 #46
Great post about how they engineer this to add more voter repression. suffragette Jan 2017 #64
Trump needs to believe certain lies for the sake of his ego. Ohioboy Jan 2017 #49
I agree. The "rigged" thing was too. underpants Jan 2017 #51
Absolutely. suffragette Jan 2017 #68
Bingo! Achilleaze Jan 2017 #52
Let's call for a full, independant audit of the election then meadowlander Jan 2017 #53
Carter would be the best person to do that, but Trump would never agree. suffragette Jan 2017 #72
Exactly why we must demand an investigation randr Jan 2017 #54
The thing is he didn't really need to change the conversation because NOBODY but himself TrekLuver Jan 2017 #55
History will absolve me malaise Jan 2017 #58
I believe it will, sis. suffragette Jan 2017 #66
Yeah.. Cha Jan 2017 #70
Thanks. I needed a laugh, even if just for a moment. suffragette Jan 2017 #71
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