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42. value judgements like "blame" are not part of a discussion of facts

Mon Jun 25, 2012, 01:08 PM

Jun 2012

It is factual that most households, often with two incomes, do not make $75,000 a year, much less most individuals make that much.

Therefore, in factual terms, the way the world actually is, $75,000 a year is not in the middle.

Now, you could argue that $75,000 a year OUGHT to be how much the average worker makes, but I might note that even if all the money in the US was divided equally, each taxpayer (many couples are filing jointly) only gets $62,369. And that the average for those of us in the bottom 50% is only $15,287. http://www.democraticunderground.com/?com=view_post&forum=1002&pid=732414

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Steve Jobs - American Hero Wilms Jun 2012 #1

I worked for Apple as a contractor... Amerigo Vespucci Jun 2012 #2

UNION TomClash Jun 2012 #3

That's right. marybourg Jun 2012 #4

... hfojvt Jun 2012 #23

I tried to get a good photo TomClash Jun 2012 #62

Ain't capitalism grand? entanglement Jun 2012 #5

Progressive icon Steve Jobs hated unions. ForgoTheConsequence Jun 2012 #6

He took it personal that "his" workers didn't need a union because he was.... WCGreen Jun 2012 #54

That's the hubris of the "good" boss... JHB Jun 2012 #67

Apple is giving its workers a 25% pay increase this year. former9thward Jun 2012 #7

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He'd probably take ten bucks an hour if he could get a percentage of his sales. nt MADem Jun 2012 #11

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It's still completely disgusting that the CEO makes 22,000 times the average worker. Initech Jun 2012 #45

25% of $11.25 is $2.81. WorseBeforeBetter Jun 2012 #10

Does anybody else think $11.24 is not that bad? hfojvt Jun 2012 #13

If it is Apple you will find no number is enough. former9thward Jun 2012 #14

And people like you would defend them if they paid them nothing! Logical Jun 2012 #17

No I have standards and use logic. former9thward Jun 2012 #18

The pro-apple crowd and anti-apple crowd are no different! Logical Jun 2012 #20

It's not logic you're using Confusious Jun 2012 #52

Yet no one suggested a number. former9thward Jun 2012 #55

Been a lot of suggestions downthread Confusious Jun 2012 #56

I know kids working at Target and Lowes that would love to make $11.24 an hour selling computers Elwood P Dowd Jun 2012 #15

The great service economy! nt Confusious Jun 2012 #53

It's pretty mediocre Merlot Jun 2012 #16

in the early 1990s hfojvt Jun 2012 #22

He sold $750,000 worth of stuff in 3 months... WorseBeforeBetter Jun 2012 #19

Why should he be, if the products sell themselves? hfojvt Jun 2012 #21

do you have to teach a person how to sleep in the room? TeamPooka Jun 2012 #26

11.24 sucks How about a total of 10% of his sales? Is that a fair number? TeamPooka Jun 2012 #25

so you think $75,000 is "middle"? hfojvt Jun 2012 #27

so you blame people TeamPooka Jun 2012 #29

value judgements like "blame" are not part of a discussion of facts hfojvt Jun 2012 #42

I'm willing to bet he works harder for his money than most of the people on Apple's board. white_wolf Jun 2012 #28

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+2 Starry Messenger Jun 2012 #35

but what is a living wage hfojvt Jun 2012 #40

A living wage varies by where you live... white_wolf Jun 2012 #60

This message was self-deleted by its author bupkus Jun 2012 #31

I don't make that much money now hfojvt Jun 2012 #41

How about some cites to back up these accusations? TBF Jun 2012 #51

What rightwing talking points? hfojvt Jun 2012 #64

"The top has snarfed up much of the gains in the last 3 decades" TBF Jun 2012 #65

It's less than my first retail electronics job paid, in the middle nineties. LeftyMom Jun 2012 #39

In most places $11.25/hr is barely living wage iif that. hobbit709 Jun 2012 #43

what is "most places"? hfojvt Jun 2012 #47

When I first came to Austin in 1974 hobbit709 Jun 2012 #48

I imagine a median living wage would be enough. LanternWaste Jun 2012 #44

Maybe we should talk about why the CEO makes so much TBF Jun 2012 #50

11.24 is basically minimum wage circa 1969, adjusted for inflation. Selatius Jun 2012 #59

Microsoft, Amazon Amongst Top Tech Employers FredisDead Jun 2012 #24

Google makes you send all your college transcripts to get a job flamingdem Jun 2012 #38

Apple pays lousy at all levels Sen. Walter Sobchak Jun 2012 #30

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"It's kind of tough." Brickbat Jun 2012 #34

That explains the horrible ellie Jun 2012 #36

Hey but Iphones are cool and you can have pink hair flamingdem Jun 2012 #37

Any way you look at it, Apple employees are simply not getting their fare share... RetailActionProject Jun 2012 #46

Even a 1% commission would have majorly boosted his income % JCMach1 Jun 2012 #49

For a more useful perspective try this. Jakes Progress Jun 2012 #57

This message was self-deleted by its author bupkus Jun 2012 #61

Not if your whole purpose is to join the Apple bash wagon. Jakes Progress Jun 2012 #63

This message was self-deleted by its author bupkus Jun 2012 #66

Do you read the posts in your own thread? Jakes Progress Jun 2012 #68

This message was self-deleted by its author bupkus Jun 2012 #69

Ahh, the rich get richer and the workers just take it in the shorts. What's new? demosincebirth Jun 2012 #58