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In reply to the discussion: The beginning of the end? [View all]AlexSFCA
(6,321 posts)that would be too depressing. I was quite happy with our democracy, I mean we had Obama elected twice, he wasn't really the establishment back then. He inspired me deeply. We've had civil liberties and we were moving forward. Goah, for such a diverse country and especially in major metropolitan areas, I'd say it's been quite great (all relative of course).
Their movement blames 'liberalism' for all the problems in the world while we see it as the evolution of democracy and freedom. I beleive 'liberalism' is natural, that is who we are when we're children - we're free to be ourselves.
Conservatism and especially alt right is artificially created to brainwash people with propaganda in order to gain power.
Reagan, Bush and Bush W did not try to destroy the foundations of our democracy (independent press and election integrity) and quite frankly destroy half of the government. The recount was a separate issue, IMO.
I believe that it was Citizens United ruling that destroyed it. Because we wouldn't have trump otherwise. That is also why Putin's previous attempts to undermine our democracy were not successful until recently.
An important fact - Trump was exploring a run for president in 2011. It is not a coincidence. It was after Citizens United decision (Bannon had connection to it). What I am saying is that it is logical to conclude that trump has been planning his campaign for quite some time. Bannon was too but he decided to support Ted Cruz because he beleived he had a better chance until he switched to team trump.
Trump's vision was not as coherent until Bannon started to work on his campaign and he had gone full breitbart of course. So there is a tiny, tiny chance that Trump may open up his heart and atart acting independently. Bannon is not the president.