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GliderGuider

(21,088 posts)
122. You're probably right
Sat Jan 28, 2017, 10:36 AM
Jan 2017

I'm prepared to accept his techniques as a given - it's obvious that they've been well developed and are in use here. One aspect of thr technique is the apartment bombings you've talked about. I expect to see a false flag attack to cement Trump's position, and I've already speculated that it would follow the pattern of those bombings, or (or possibly and) the school siege in Beslan. They're quite familiar with the techniques, both of the bombings themselves, and the exploitatation of the aftermath.

But I'm much more interested in the strategic aspects of this. Partly it's my nature, and partly that I can afford to be a bit more detached, since I'm Canadian and we haven't been hit yet. I'm fully expecting us to be dragged into the maelstrom one way or another over the next year or two, though.

The fact that I'm Canadian is also why I'm less aware of issues in the various states like you describe in California. I'm not close enough to have a good view, and I frankly have had little interest in the details of state politics until now. But I can see that if there is a prime target for concentrated "reality bombing" outside of Washington DC, California is it. The news about Thiel should be setting off alarms everywhere in the context of Trump's victory.

My perspective on this situation is grounded to a large degree in complex systems science and evolutionary psychology, and far less in party politics per se. That makes Dugin very interesting to me. But also, the tactics that are playing out on the ground are classic examples of ev psych principles in action. I'm especially interested in the principles related to to leadership, followership and group membership - the classic tribal instincts that I expect to see stimulated across the US in the coming months to foment multi-axis identity politics and tribal warfare. California is a natural candidate to be a crucible to prove out these methods.

I apologize to DU members if my commentary sounds pretty damn bloodless and cold. It all makes me so sad, I have to withdraw into an abstract world view in order to save my own sanity. I'm having anxiety attacks from the situation, and I've been on anti-depressants since the inauguration. We each protect ourselves in our own way.

The beginning of the end? [View all] AlexSFCA Jan 2017 OP
Well he can try Generator Jan 2017 #1
fight back hard, fight back smart geek tragedy Jan 2017 #2
You've got to have weapons to fight back. GliderGuider Jan 2017 #5
our biggest weapon is that the Republicans will own everything bad that happens geek tragedy Jan 2017 #6
That and $5.00 will buy you a latte. GliderGuider Jan 2017 #9
bingo AlexSFCA Jan 2017 #10
I've been working out the scenario for the last couple of weeks. GliderGuider Jan 2017 #12
I sincerely doubt DU is the right place for your excellent analysis riderinthestorm Jan 2017 #118
The "Paul" in question being yours truly. GliderGuider Jan 2017 #130
There are those that do see the writing on the wall... IamFortunesFool Jan 2017 #132
Nothing less than cilla4progress Feb 2017 #176
It is so frustrating to live in an age... IamFortunesFool Feb 2017 #182
Do you think Schumer gets it? And a few others? pangaia Feb 2017 #203
no way AlexSFCA Feb 2017 #205
Thanks..and for your post pangaia Feb 2017 #206
I heard similar despair after 2004. geek tragedy Jan 2017 #13
This isn't necessarily about imposing a totalitarian state. GliderGuider Jan 2017 #14
there are 50 states. Much easier to destroy an empire geek tragedy Jan 2017 #23
So bannon is the mastermind of our demise? bdamomma Jan 2017 #157
But trump is just the wooden mouthpiece, in my view. pangaia Feb 2017 #207
Agreed 100%nt riderinthestorm Jan 2017 #117
I sure get it.. got it quite a while ago.... pangaia Feb 2017 #202
Yes, it looks bad. No, the sky is not falling. Nitram Jan 2017 #3
+1 True. Time to stand up for what we belieive in, not play Chicken Little. n/t FSogol Jan 2017 #7
Well, I for one think you are dead wrong. GliderGuider Jan 2017 #8
What evidence do you have? We've been going down this road for years ecstatic Jan 2017 #139
At some point you reach the end of the road..and it is a dead end. pangaia Feb 2017 #208
I so hope you are right starshine00 Jan 2017 #161
Way to go! What a perfect analysis! GliderGuider Jan 2017 #4
thank you AlexSFCA Jan 2017 #20
I have the same sense of being alone with this knowledge. GliderGuider Jan 2017 #25
great AlexSFCA Jan 2017 #29
Well, Bannon is a Leninist whose main goal is to destroy the state. GliderGuider Jan 2017 #33
yes AlexSFCA Jan 2017 #41
Thanks. You articulate Bannon's goals very clearly. GliderGuider Jan 2017 #43
haha AlexSFCA Jan 2017 #48
You're a real ray of sunshine, aren't you? GliderGuider Jan 2017 #50
thank you TeddyBear 1 Jan 2017 #85
Following your conversation cilla4progress Feb 2017 #177
Bannon wants to install a Theocracy onlyadream Feb 2017 #187
Yup! His goal is a moral/ethnic cleansing of the USA. GliderGuider Feb 2017 #188
You're the one who convinced me. pangaia Feb 2017 #209
This is hogwash. Trump is a lifelong narcissist/psychopath. That's the #1 issue right now. manicraven Jan 2017 #64
optimism AlexSFCA Jan 2017 #71
Alex, r u a Russian troll? LOL. pangaia Feb 2017 #210
Yes, Trump is but it's Bannon who has his ear. onlyadream Feb 2017 #186
I understand perfectly what you wrote and I agree. The only thing I would add LiberalLoner Jan 2017 #74
correct AlexSFCA Jan 2017 #78
A Drumpf like candidate has no chance here in Cali . DemocratSinceBirth Jan 2017 #11
That is not the point Caliman73 Jan 2017 #37
What is China going to be doing while all this going on ? DemocratSinceBirth Jan 2017 #40
Being that there has been talk about engaging in a trade war with China... Caliman73 Jan 2017 #42
China isn't going to sit on its hands while Russia tries to make the world lily white. DemocratSinceBirth Jan 2017 #44
not much AlexSFCA Jan 2017 #93
Nope! Phoenix61 Jan 2017 #15
Trump has authoritarian instincts but I have faith our institutions hold. DemocratSinceBirth Jan 2017 #18
I beg you AlexSFCA Jan 2017 #24
That doesn't change a single thing I wrote Phoenix61 Jan 2017 #27
this AlexSFCA Jan 2017 #32
The next governor of California will be pro gay rights, pro immigration, and pro health care for all DemocratSinceBirth Jan 2017 #39
Really? You know my mind? You know what I've learned? Phoenix61 Jan 2017 #45
Yes, everybody who disagrees with you is blind and foolish mythology Jan 2017 #155
fair AlexSFCA Jan 2017 #156
I second what AlexSFCA said just now, word for word. GliderGuider Jan 2017 #26
there is more AlexSFCA Jan 2017 #35
Yes, I figured that Jerusalem was no spur-of-the-moment decision. GliderGuider Jan 2017 #38
Yes please send me a pm as well. nt riderinthestorm Jan 2017 #119
Me too please. I see exactly what you're describing. You've outlined it very thoughtfully. elehhhhna Feb 2017 #190
Please pm me too. I'm late to your OP but completely ... and unfortunately ... agree. hedda_foil Feb 2017 #221
Welcome to DU. NT WiffenPoof Jan 2017 #16
I agree that Russia is behind Trump and the secret support of fascist movements in Europe workinclasszero Jan 2017 #17
And crippling the US is part of his plot. Initech Jan 2017 #21
Yes it is workinclasszero Jan 2017 #28
No one will stand for bdamomma Jan 2017 #158
Who will stop Trump? workinclasszero Jan 2017 #163
how AlexSFCA Jan 2017 #65
Vladimir Putin is a mad man. Initech Jan 2017 #19
Drumpf is a mad man. Putin is a cold as ice calculator. DemocratSinceBirth Jan 2017 #22
Putin is an evil genius workinclasszero Jan 2017 #62
good luck AlexSFCA Jan 2017 #53
I believe that you are right workinclasszero Feb 2017 #200
How about we make it the end of the beginning? There are droves of people in the streets, shraby Jan 2017 #30
Drumpf sucks but this "woe is me" stuff sucks more. DemocratSinceBirth Jan 2017 #36
Agreed! Phoenix61 Jan 2017 #46
Agreed. "Woe is me" is a trap... WePurrsevere Jan 2017 #57
There are more of us than there are Deplorables. DemocratSinceBirth Jan 2017 #60
I totally agree. nt WePurrsevere Jan 2017 #73
yes AlexSFCA Jan 2017 #80
We will fight back bdamomma Jan 2017 #128
I envy your optimism AlexSFCA Jan 2017 #52
I agree! The GOP is planning to oust tRump and that will remove Bannon. manicraven Jan 2017 #66
How did it get to this? jambo101 Jan 2017 #31
easy AlexSFCA Jan 2017 #54
Yes how could anyone not see this coming? True_Blue Jan 2017 #133
They forgot to remember that elections have consequences... world wide wally Feb 2017 #223
Agree,unless IRS charges him with massive tax evasion, his returns are inconsequential wishstar Jan 2017 #34
Tell that shit gibbon to bring it on! denbot Jan 2017 #47
I mostly disagree. Blue_true Jan 2017 #49
again AlexSFCA Jan 2017 #51
Brown is a tough cookie, he is ready to Blue_true Jan 2017 #56
thank you AlexSFCA Jan 2017 #55
Really? A week into Trump's presidency and you can see all that? MineralMan Jan 2017 #58
I understand AlexSFCA Jan 2017 #61
Hey AlexSFCA - thanks for posting, and welcome to Leghorn21 Jan 2017 #67
painful AlexSFCA Jan 2017 #70
I appreciate your reply, and am so truly sorry you have found yourself once Leghorn21 Jan 2017 #76
frusturating AlexSFCA Jan 2017 #84
I'll tell you what, Alex, if English is your second (or third or fourth) Leghorn21 Jan 2017 #94
So the impression I'm getting is this: GliderGuider Jan 2017 #90
surkov AlexSFCA Jan 2017 #96
I noticed that there seems to be a fog around Surkin. GliderGuider Jan 2017 #98
hmm AlexSFCA Jan 2017 #121
You're probably right GliderGuider Jan 2017 #122
good analysis AlexSFCA Jan 2017 #125
There are alt-right tracks all over the landscape up here. GliderGuider Jan 2017 #127
Hi again, GG cilla4progress Feb 2017 #179
If I may interject IamFortunesFool Feb 2017 #183
I think the black suits and cilla4progress Feb 2017 #184
Thank you for mentioning Silicon billionaire Trump backer Peter Thiel, California's next governor. hedda_foil Feb 2017 #222
GG, your wondering if you've come up with a "fair view" is Leghorn21 Jan 2017 #97
Yes, sorry. I missed on who I was replying to. GliderGuider Jan 2017 #100
No worries, eh? We're all reading and writing as hard as we can!! I'm off to Leghorn21 Jan 2017 #101
The rapid EOs and confrontations are deliberate imo. Part of the plan riderinthestorm Jan 2017 #120
At least I am not alone in my thoughts...nt Vilis Veritas Jan 2017 #59
What's happening to the economy while all of this is going on? Doremus Jan 2017 #63
tough AlexSFCA Jan 2017 #69
But how exactly is he going to do this? workinclasszero Jan 2017 #75
infrastructure AlexSFCA Jan 2017 #77
For instance... workinclasszero Jan 2017 #81
big picture AlexSFCA Jan 2017 #87
We will see soon enough workinclasszero Jan 2017 #89
The economy is not 'minute'. It's everything. Not only to the working class Doremus Jan 2017 #92
I've been thinking everything you say here. yardwork Jan 2017 #68
a million dollar question AlexSFCA Jan 2017 #144
yep, this is where we are now 0rganism Jan 2017 #72
The end came back in 2000. Rex Jan 2017 #79
Yes. The 2000 "selection" and 9/11/2001 are what got us here. VOX Jan 2017 #99
So Are You Leaving? LovingA2andMI Jan 2017 #82
Put up the good fight lunatica Jan 2017 #86
not leaving AlexSFCA Jan 2017 #88
Very good points, well thought out and clearly stated lunatica Jan 2017 #83
What is your motive in posting this? Generator Jan 2017 #91
thanks AlexSFCA Jan 2017 #102
I imagine there are more politicians who see as you do cilla4progress Feb 2017 #181
There has been a coup d'etat, and these are not ordinary times. VOX Jan 2017 #95
You are right. nancy1942 Jan 2017 #103
We have been ruled by elites since our nation's founding DemocratSinceBirth Jan 2017 #104
term AlexSFCA Jan 2017 #105
I would call Russia an authoritarian regime. DemocratSinceBirth Jan 2017 #106
geez AlexSFCA Jan 2017 #107
But the oligarchs don't give a rip about Judeao-Christian values as long as they are making money. DemocratSinceBirth Jan 2017 #108
it's not the same AlexSFCA Jan 2017 #111
US is not a democracy. If US was a democracy, Hillary would be president because she got more votes. LisaL Jan 2017 #124
equivalent AlexSFCA Jan 2017 #143
Glad you wrote this singed.dude Jan 2017 #109
the end then? AlexSFCA Jan 2017 #110
Read this comment singed.dude Jan 2017 #115
Far too many people have been brainwashed to believe liberals and HRC Mr. Ected Jan 2017 #112
bingo! AlexSFCA Jan 2017 #114
This Will Be A Messy Fight For Our Democracy... DEM4EVR801 Jan 2017 #113
dream AlexSFCA Jan 2017 #116
Having a nice daughter doesn't prove anything about the father. LisaL Jan 2017 #123
true AlexSFCA Jan 2017 #126
Thanks for posting this. old guy Jan 2017 #129
A kick for what is probably the most important thread on DU right now. GliderGuider Jan 2017 #131
thanks AlexSFCA Jan 2017 #135
This message was self-deleted by its author AlexSFCA Jan 2017 #137
You are leaving out the other half of the equation... IamFortunesFool Jan 2017 #140
this is not the point AlexSFCA Jan 2017 #145
I agree... That's not my point, either. IamFortunesFool Jan 2017 #146
let's stay focused AlexSFCA Jan 2017 #147
Agreed IamFortunesFool Jan 2017 #149
Further... IamFortunesFool Jan 2017 #148
global order AlexSFCA Jan 2017 #150
great commentary! InformedElitist Jan 2017 #151
There is positive view... IamFortunesFool Jan 2017 #152
I couldn't agree more... IamFortunesFool Jan 2017 #136
Finally, some like minds! IamFortunesFool Jan 2017 #134
brainstorming AlexSFCA Jan 2017 #138
Thank you! orangecrush Jan 2017 #141
interesting read about Dugin AlexSFCA Jan 2017 #142
Kick and rec. Ligyron Jan 2017 #153
will it be worth it? InformedElitist Jan 2017 #154
The scenarios you describe make sense to me. BlancheSplanchnik Jan 2017 #159
K&R bdamomma Jan 2017 #160
Excellent OP and thread. Ligyron Jan 2017 #162
we'll see AlexSFCA Jan 2017 #164
North Korea IamFortunesFool Jan 2017 #165
good point AlexSFCA Jan 2017 #166
It you remember, the very day that Trump announced our withdraw from the TPP China's president IamFortunesFool Jan 2017 #167
sounds logical AlexSFCA Jan 2017 #168
Economic instability is a boon to the cabal in the short term... IamFortunesFool Jan 2017 #169
true AlexSFCA Jan 2017 #170
Probably... IamFortunesFool Jan 2017 #171
Assange? AlexSFCA Jan 2017 #172
I think they are ready to make their big move. GliderGuider Jan 2017 #173
About Dugin (essential read) AlexSFCA Jan 2017 #174
kick pat_k Feb 2017 #175
To AlexFSCA jaxind Feb 2017 #178
maybe AlexSFCA Feb 2017 #212
We can and will stop the orange nightmare. Demsrule86 Feb 2017 #180
Consider that Barack Obama and Hillary Clinton aren't obsessing as much as people here... brooklynite Feb 2017 #185
The "We're doomed" rants do help in one regard. GliderGuider Feb 2017 #189
Mike Huckabee will be happy to sell you an emergency food supply... brooklynite Feb 2017 #191
This isn't it - quite yet. GliderGuider Feb 2017 #192
not yet AlexSFCA Feb 2017 #193
All of these posts about people not "getting it" butdiduvote Feb 2017 #194
idiotic Trump voters Skittles Feb 2017 #198
Excellent OP deserving of a.......BUMP. NT pablo_marmol Feb 2017 #195
More on this: pablo_marmol Feb 2017 #196
great article AlexSFCA Feb 2017 #197
You've read my mind........and I thank you deeply for your OP. pablo_marmol Feb 2017 #201
Robert Reich's Resistance Report from today. Facebook kentuck Feb 2017 #199
Please watch this short video clip in another DU OP. Stinky The Clown Feb 2017 #204
Yeah........I think Pelley's "No question" was irresponsible. pablo_marmol Feb 2017 #211
Well, it seems to me that, from what you've written, it's all over... regnaD kciN Feb 2017 #213
no AlexSFCA Feb 2017 #214
Personally, I think this democracy will out live him. MFM008 Feb 2017 #215
let's follow up on this in a few months AlexSFCA Feb 2017 #216
One difference Caliman73 Feb 2017 #218
true AlexSFCA Feb 2017 #219
K&R bdamomma Feb 2017 #217
Alex!! Is it possible for you to repost your original text here without all the comments? Leghorn21 Feb 2017 #220
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