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In reply to the discussion: The beginning of the end? [View all]AlexSFCA
(6,137 posts)Thank you Glider and others who are contributing. Concise messages are being born here to educate our non-political friends. Education is the first step as it will allow the innocent public to recognize what is happening - this is needed to effectively resist. On my facebook it only reached a few friends who really got it and started discussions with their friends and families. Most others just liked the post or dismissed it entirely (no politics on facebook kinda). But it's a start.
Your comments are pushing my thoughts to the next level. Let's also start summarizing some basics and still so many questions left:
1. Global war on 'liberalism' has been instigated by duginist Putin with the help of Surkov. Core ideology: Liberalism is the cause of all evil in the world including 'jihadist' terrorist attacks.
It's been going on for years but when did it start?
2. Dugin's core philosophy is that 'liberalism' can only be eliminated if USA is destroyed. Putin has been trying to undermine US democracy for years. My logical conclusion led me to this: he has been exploiting American conservatism and contributing to directing right wing propaganda to the right direction. For those who have been following/tracking right wings, are there any links between key right wing wakos and Russia? Have their philosophy changed over the years and how? Have any of them ever visited Russia any links at all (Limbaugh, Coulter, Glenn Beck, Alex Jones, etc.). Any propaganda websites that got initial funding from Russia? - maybe hard to track. Did Bannon get any money from russia?
3. Why are we having this war? Liberalism is fundametally incompatible with authoritarianism. It is a major threat to Putin's dominance.
4. Let's also think about pre-putin era. Did we have as many jihadist terrorist attacks?
5. Jihadists attacks are used as fear to gain power through democratic means. Other wedge issues of abortion, gays, establishment, etc. are needed to gain enough votes.
6. Putin's plan is to be the world's dominant superpower. He has been trying for years to brainwash (successfully) his entire popultion that the liberal West is the root of all evil.
7. Putin would not help to put trump in power if it would make America better in any way. He will present it as liberalism destroyed the west.
8. Here an epiphany I had today: it is possible that Putin wants to use America to enrich Russia first: cancel sanctions, solicit massive investments, trade deals. Ironically, the US will make Russia rich before Putin destroys us completely. Russia has the largest natural resources in the world beyond just oil. I say this, because simply destroying US does not automatically make Russia wealthy and I'd think it is important to him. Economy is failing there. Another way to remain in power is to start a war - massive draft in Russia (like WWII). Hunderds of thousands of unemployed, demoralized youth - send them to war sounds about 'right'.
9. Trump moving so aggressively starts to quickly alarm everyone. I would argue it is not the smartest strategy? Trump is nowhere as smart ir even informed as Putin - he was an easy target addicted to the idea of becoming like Putin. I think he is likely on some sort of experimental drugs used by FSB to desensitize. We may see him slowing down after speaking with Putin - do not be fooled by this move if it happens. The media will swallow it - "he was just overwhelmed and now learning how to be president".
10. Trump is hortified to face the truth (again drugs are needed for him to even function). Things did not go as planned - the world hates him. But he knows what Putin will do if does not proceed with dugin's plan?