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54. There is no way to "broaden the tent and allow anti choice people in" without saying that women are

Tue Feb 21, 2017, 10:51 AM

Feb 2017

unimportant. For many people like me, it's a deal breaker. If the Democrats did that, I would be gone. Fast.

Oklahoma has just passed a law saying that women need their sexual partners' permission to get an abortion. This is not an issue WE can waffle on. We need to be a strong line in the sand and make it clear that ANY incursions into our self-determination are unacceptable.

And with those evangelicals and catholics, abortion is a make or break until an abortion is needed by their Catholic daughter. I was raised Catholic. I was never in a cohort that availed itself of more abortions than my Catholic college girlfriends. My point is that, while there is a lot of lip service to opposing abortion, in practice it does not go deep. It's hypocrisy.

For those who are anti-choice, I allow them full freedom to be that way. I tell them, "Well then by all means don't have an abortion." That is as far as I am willing to go in letting them have control over my body. If my party went farther than that, they would lose me and I would work against them.

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Yes, We DO Think You ARE Stupid [View all] NanceGreggs Feb 2017 OP

You nailed it. 3catwoman3 Feb 2017 #1

Agree! iluvtennis Feb 2017 #8

Not enough cow bell. nt NCjack Feb 2017 #78

Especially if u think being stupid is a personal choice..... Cryptoad Feb 2017 #129

They are not only willfully ignorant, they are stupid and mean. NCjack Feb 2017 #130

I agree they are all those things,,,, Cryptoad Feb 2017 #131

Thanks for this. Merlot Feb 2017 #2

Especially if they are unable or unwilling to own up to it Proud Liberal Dem Feb 2017 #75

Yup. Kimchijeon Feb 2017 #3

Bravo...but I'd change this SHRED Feb 2017 #4

I agree. Excellent point. Pacifist Patriot Feb 2017 #37

I agree. I think some 'can' learn... WePurrsevere Feb 2017 #107

K&R times a million LW1977 Feb 2017 #5

K&R smirkymonkey Feb 2017 #6

These are people who believe that fictional massacres are real drm604 Feb 2017 #7

Yup! Bowling Green real, Sandy Hook fake. Initech Feb 2017 #12

Thanks for saying that. world wide wally Feb 2017 #9

So what he lied to everyone else griloco Feb 2017 #10

Jedi mind tricks work with Republicans... if we ever get the chance. yuiyoshida Feb 2017 #11

They are stupid and gullible! herding cats Feb 2017 #13

Well said! Canoe52 Feb 2017 #14

They're smart enough to show up and vote - and that's all the smarts they need. NBachers Feb 2017 #15

True enough. NanceGreggs Feb 2017 #18

I tried to tell my friends who were voting third party notdarkyet Feb 2017 #22

still furious nocalflea Feb 2017 #40

Excellent point, NBachers. the trump voters are voting Cha Feb 2017 #26

The person the Russians wanted there? Alternative facts is leaving out information too no? uponit7771 Feb 2017 #32

I tried desperately to convince several family members/friends Zero System Feb 2017 #64

Thank you. sheshe2 Feb 2017 #16

Beautiful and right on! Kath2 Feb 2017 #17

True dat. Oh the pain...the pain. Marcuse Feb 2017 #19

Awesome essay amuse bouche Feb 2017 #20

Perfect. Great writing. They are as dumb as doorknobs but seem proud notdarkyet Feb 2017 #21

Epic Rant, Nance.. Bookmarked! I know I use the Cha Feb 2017 #23

What is stupidity? vlyons Feb 2017 #24

This message was self-deleted by its author Pacifist Patriot Feb 2017 #39

More than a few of the highly educated RWers in my dept believe in some abysmally stupid shit. HughBeaumont Feb 2017 #47

and I'll bet that more than a few are vlyons Feb 2017 #52

And this ++++++++. n/t BlancheSplanchnik Feb 2017 #55

Yes but understanding what makes them tick can bring a whole new world of understanding nolabels Feb 2017 #74

I think most of us CAN, in fact "see their point of view" NastyRiffraff Feb 2017 #104

This +++++++++++. n/t BlancheSplanchnik Feb 2017 #56

posted wrong spot mnhtnbb Feb 2017 #66

Thank you! colorado_ufo Feb 2017 #25

K&R. dchill Feb 2017 #27

Pod Save America may beg to differ. SleeplessinSoCal Feb 2017 #28

As always... Wonderfully written! WiffenPoof Feb 2017 #29

I did the exact same thing liquid diamond Feb 2017 #92

we're not so bright either daft yank Feb 2017 #30

Very good points. AJT Feb 2017 #34

There is no way to "broaden the tent and allow anti choice people in" without saying that women are Squinch Feb 2017 #54

Yes, it is just a shame that that believing in AJT Feb 2017 #58

Anti- choice is anti democratic so that's a firm never. Separation of church and state matters. bettyellen Feb 2017 #86

non white working class DOES vote democratic. the whites who vote republican connect more JI7 Feb 2017 #121

Lovely prose. Trust Buster Feb 2017 #31

Gosh, that felt good to read..... AJT Feb 2017 #33

Proud Ignorance is a self-regenerating problem.. . . .n/t annabanana Feb 2017 #35

YES! YES! YES! n/t MANative Feb 2017 #36

This needs to be posted on the Free Republic site or FOX comment site and sent nikibatts Feb 2017 #38

This.. cannabis_flower Feb 2017 #41

Another awesome post! BlueJac Feb 2017 #42

WTG Nance Gothmog Feb 2017 #43

yep. Dumb as dirt. bigtree Feb 2017 #44

Great rant - the only thing I'd change NewJeffCT Feb 2017 #45

Amazingly Brilliant! FrankfurtCat Feb 2017 #46

Trump supporters are stupid, but I think their stupidity has hit generational stupidity. BeckyDem Feb 2017 #48

Not just us Dems, the rest of the world thinks they're stupid NightWatcher Feb 2017 #49

May I please post this to FB? moda253 Feb 2017 #50

The GOP has, "ironically", used think tanks ironically to spew out simplistic slogans and BSdetect Feb 2017 #51

Plenty of evil people (not just the stupid ones) voted for him as well. LonePirate Feb 2017 #53

Evil, yes. There are many, mini smart Bannons, who take advantage of the Repub masses stupidity Alice11111 Feb 2017 #111

So true! TNLib Feb 2017 #57

Rants like this prove that some democrats are not so smart after all. RadiationTherapy Feb 2017 #59

Exactly. It's cathartic, but hardly persuasive. alarimer Feb 2017 #63

I think Zizek explains very well how insulting one's ideological rivals empowers one's rivals. RadiationTherapy Feb 2017 #72

+1 leftstreet Feb 2017 #89

Yeah, you dumbasses! What she said! Mc Mike Feb 2017 #60

"There is, of course, a way to stop being called stupid. You can always try NOT being stupid." tazkcmo Feb 2017 #61

Ah, fresh air! Iggo Feb 2017 #62

You said it all! nancy1942 Feb 2017 #65

+ 1,000,000, Nance. My sentiments exactly. (nt) Paladin Feb 2017 #67

Hubby--a psychiatrist and psychoanalyst--always disputes me when I start ranting about stupidity mnhtnbb Feb 2017 #68

I agree with you. Self-destructive is a more nuanced and thoughtful expression of their actions. RadiationTherapy Feb 2017 #73

K&R! stonecutter357 Feb 2017 #69

In this age of information, ignorance is a choice. logosoco Feb 2017 #70

wow...that just isn't true at all. Assumptions color where and what you look for, and how you JCanete Feb 2017 #88

well, thanks for telling me what is "not true at all" logosoco Feb 2017 #93

The question remains, why would they if they've been given every reason to believe their current JCanete Feb 2017 #99

But if they believe FOX is the truth, why... Beartracks Feb 2017 #133

What a GREAT point, logosoco! calimary Feb 2017 #112

Perfectly put. Kentonio Feb 2017 #71

Great post! ElementaryPenguin Feb 2017 #76

Amen underpants Feb 2017 #77

Stupid is a stupid word unless you want to insult someone nolabels Feb 2017 #79

On a roll lately Nance Lochloosa Feb 2017 #80

Normally I'm opposed to calling people stupid retrowire Feb 2017 #81

K&R ismnotwasm Feb 2017 #82

this...100%nt heaven05 Feb 2017 #83

Stupid people don't know they are stupid. Doitnow Feb 2017 #84

BAM!!!! ScubaSteve Feb 2017 #85

No we don't. Don't lump me in with that. It isn't helpful. There isn't an area of discourse where JCanete Feb 2017 #87

Excellent points leftstreet Feb 2017 #90

+infinity NoGoodNamesLeft Feb 2017 #91

Its downright inhumane to expect us to perpetually bite our tongues LiberalLovinLug Feb 2017 #110

Since I am an Independent I can actually look at this dynamic objectively NoGoodNamesLeft Feb 2017 #115

I do agree, especially with your last paragraph LiberalLovinLug Feb 2017 #120

It sounds to me like she is ranting and venting liquid diamond Feb 2017 #95

then we are all a lost cause. The very forces that work on white middle class people will work on JCanete Feb 2017 #97

Continue we will. liquid diamond Feb 2017 #124

totally what I was saying...? Let's breed racism? Lets let racism take over? Fine, make up your own JCanete Feb 2017 #126

So please enlighten us, O Enlightened One Dave Starsky Feb 2017 #98

Tell you what, we didn't know how to mine solar power efficiently, or wind, or anything else, but we JCanete Feb 2017 #100

I accept that as a "I have no idea." Dave Starsky Feb 2017 #114

Thank you Cha Feb 2017 #119

That is dumb. If you don't have the solution for curing cancer calling it heart disease doesn't JCanete Feb 2017 #123

That is an excellent analogy. Dave Starsky Feb 2017 #138

Well, at least we're making strides to cure cancer. You're clearly content to live in a world where JCanete Feb 2017 #139

You could start by not personally attacking them (not you personally, just in general) NoGoodNamesLeft Feb 2017 #103

Absolutely Perfect DoctorJoJo Feb 2017 #94

butbutbut they say we are the stupid racist ones. at least we can spell well. pansypoo53219 Feb 2017 #96

Amen! Dark n Stormy Knight Feb 2017 #101

don't think this works...at all Softail1 Feb 2017 #102

They are stupid or evil, but your point is well taken Alice11111 Feb 2017 #113

K&R!! rury Feb 2017 #105

Excellent again, Nance NastyRiffraff Feb 2017 #106

We didn't need a 70 million dollar congressional investigation to figure this out. iscooterliberally Feb 2017 #108

K & R!! Just because the truth hurts doesn't mean it's not the truth!! 50 Shades Of Blue Feb 2017 #109

The people who hate Obamacare but love the ACA mcar Feb 2017 #116

Nance, you are on fire these days, and I'm loving it. Tarheel_Dem Feb 2017 #117

Another case in point.. Cha Feb 2017 #118

I tried to use your excellent rant as my sig line - wow!!!! erronis Feb 2017 #122

. Takket Feb 2017 #125

We thank you very sweetly for saying it so neatly. njhoneybadger Feb 2017 #127

Excellent Post n/t jrthin Feb 2017 #128

thought I was going to make a friend cry the other night at a party when Laura PourMeADrink Feb 2017 #132

Awesome post n/t lordsummerisle Feb 2017 #134

Willful ignorance: The Wizard Feb 2017 #135

If Frank were alive today I'd love to see what he'd comment on this. Something like?: lambchopp59 Feb 2017 #136

KICK Cha Feb 2017 #137