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kcr

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93. Good article in the NYT showing how you're wrong

Tue Feb 21, 2017, 01:21 PM

Feb 2017

It's a popular opinion right now based on a myth.
https://mobile.nytimes.com/2017/02/21/opinion/move-left-democrats.html

From the article:
To be clear, all white voters matter. But Democrats must make tough, data-driven decisions about how to prioritize their work. Right now, too many are using bad math and faulty logic to push the party to chase the wrong segment of white voters. For example, Guy Cecil, who spent nearly $200 million as head of the progressive “super PAC” Priorities USA, urged the party to rebuild trust with the “millions of white voters who voted for President Obama and Donald Trump.”

The math underlying that conclusion is incorrect (Mr. Trump picked up not “millions,” but only 784,000 white votes in the 10 battleground states he won by single digits). And it misses the bigger — and more fixable — problem of white Democratic defections to third- and fourth-party candidates.

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If one more person tells me I need to try to understand Trump voters or [View all] Are_grits_groceries Feb 2017 OP

Damn straight. And that goes double for any 3rd party purity voter. Fuck 'em. nt msanthrope Feb 2017 #1

For Me, Ms. Those People Are Worse Too ProfessorGAC Feb 2017 #6

Exactly this PJMcK Feb 2017 #20

When I came of age to vote, you still had to be twenty-one. maddiemom Feb 2017 #106

For Me, The Change Happened When i Was 20. ProfessorGAC Feb 2017 #130

Agreed. yardwork Feb 2017 #114

My stance is that... MarianJack Feb 2017 #58

I agree. I long ago realized that anyone here lambasting Hillary Clinton in favor of Aristus Feb 2017 #83

nothin' but rice pudding between their ears mdbl Feb 2017 #127

+1, if you want sweetness, you've got to give it ck4829 Feb 2017 #2

I got all the sweetness in the world Are_grits_groceries Feb 2017 #4

I don't get the, "your turn to suffer now, liberal " crap. How SammyWinstonJack Feb 2017 #24

I'm even laughing my ass off at the "Liberal" part. HughBeaumont Feb 2017 #32

These idiots just think it's them vs liberals mreilly Feb 2017 #64

Rush et al tells them they suffered and that liberaalllls caused it. BlancheSplanchnik Feb 2017 #63

Well, according to my RW brothers Bettie Feb 2017 #103

K&R nt avebury Feb 2017 #3

There is no way to communicate with many of them underpants Feb 2017 #5

Bless your heart for even trying with them. Sadly, the "news" they hear is leaving out FailureToCommunicate Feb 2017 #7

Well bless your heart Roy Rolling Feb 2017 #8

Blind rage at such voters doesn't help your health or improve the Democratic Party's outcomes. nt Bernardo de La Paz Feb 2017 #9

But what is the solution? GetRidOfThem Feb 2017 #54

The solution is economic It is the same reason that they voted for Trump. cheyanne Feb 2017 #82

The Problem. Blue_true Feb 2017 #108

The solution is not economic mdbl Feb 2017 #129

Did you even read the OP's post? The "rage" is QUITE CLEAR-EYED. But thanks for the condescension. WinkyDink Feb 2017 #80

Yes, I read the OP's post. Your post title is quite insincere. . . . nt Bernardo de La Paz Feb 2017 #92

It certainly put the tea party in power mdbl Feb 2017 #128

I'm especially annoyed at the ones whining about no jobs. Last week I saw a news item about Vinca Feb 2017 #10

They are their own worst enemy. logosoco Feb 2017 #11

YES! get the red out Feb 2017 #33

But WE suffer for it. FiveGoodMen Feb 2017 #122

👍🏻 Yep voteearlyvoteoften Feb 2017 #12

Okay, I'll tell you... brooklynite Feb 2017 #13

nonsense Cosmocat Feb 2017 #17

Thank you for proving my point... brooklynite Feb 2017 #22

What? Cosmocat Feb 2017 #36

Yep Mars and Minerva Feb 2017 #27

Er . . . . it doesn't get any more "Establishment" than Trump. HughBeaumont Feb 2017 #31

Fake news! Fake news! MrPurple Feb 2017 #123

"A small handful of them" rather than "some of them" would be more accurate. LanternWaste Feb 2017 #42

Good article in the NYT showing how you're wrong kcr Feb 2017 #93

You're 100% right...but you are also wasting your breath NoGoodNamesLeft Feb 2017 #99

You are wrong. Blue_true Feb 2017 #111

No, you are wrong because you assume all Trump voters are "Archie Bunker types" NoGoodNamesLeft Feb 2017 #121

Where is the evidence that a significant fraction of Trump voters were Obama voters? Humanist_Activist Feb 2017 #107

I respect you, so don't take this wrong. Blue_true Feb 2017 #110

Here is the thing - until THE ENTIRE COUNTRY reaches this point Cosmocat Feb 2017 #14

I totally agree. Freedomofspeech Feb 2017 #15

They voted to dump my health insurance. Starry Messenger Feb 2017 #16

Maybe we need to put anti-psychotic medication in the water of the states that voted for Trump. Nitram Feb 2017 #18

An antidepressants in the water of those that didn't. MindPilot Feb 2017 #79

Most telling... kentuck Feb 2017 #19

And they are not all out of work or down and out . Plenty of wealthy repukes love him like crazy lunasun Feb 2017 #78

I agree that Chump voters are a lost cause and that we should try to light a fire under the 46% of Trust Buster Feb 2017 #21

I have a sister-in-law who is squarely in category #1. Laurian Feb 2017 #38

I have a brother and sister in law that moved to Florida and became Southern Baptists. Trust Buster Feb 2017 #40

This sums it up nicely. BumRushDaShow Feb 2017 #45

Most Trump voters I know are your category one -- religious zealots who think God chose Trump. hunter Feb 2017 #72

Also, higher income voters who are salivating for tax cuts shrike Feb 2017 #95

I'm with you. I've written those people off as a danger to the country. Paladin Feb 2017 #23

I often wondered during WWII how people could be convinced to do such evil, to be RKP5637 Feb 2017 #43

The only way trump can do his immigration "reforms" is with concentration camps. Paladin Feb 2017 #66

Code word likely equals his detention centers that he wants significantly increased. n/t RKP5637 Feb 2017 #77

Rude Pundit nailed it- Snarkoleptic Feb 2017 #25

CO-SIGNED Blue_Tires Feb 2017 #26

Willful ignorance. mountain grammy Feb 2017 #28

Exactly!!! n/t RKP5637 Feb 2017 #44

I don't try and reason with people who have abandoned it. HughBeaumont Feb 2017 #29

Every traitor that voted for the orange madman can fuck themselfs. libtodeath Feb 2017 #30

I'm with you are this one. anniebelle Feb 2017 #34

He reminds me of some of the dictators in other countries in our youth! And it is damn RKP5637 Feb 2017 #47

Agreed cmf Feb 2017 #35

F- the Trump voter, it's the voters who didn't vote. sarcasmo Feb 2017 #37

It's a difficult issue IntraPolitico Feb 2017 #39

You can't reach these voters. muntrv Feb 2017 #41

I agree with you and have been saying the same for a long time Orrex Feb 2017 #46

Well said. narnian60 Feb 2017 #71

Support for Trump and voting republican is like being hooked on a bad drug! n/t RKP5637 Feb 2017 #48

just bring up limbaugh, associate them with limbaugh certainot Feb 2017 #49

It's impossible to understand the alternate universe Progressive dog Feb 2017 #50

Agree, there is nothing to "understand". They voted for a racist endorsed by the KKK. Coventina Feb 2017 #51

This link is to help on your journey of understanding the Trumpanzees. Brogrizzly Feb 2017 #52

and the snow flake reference too. and this attack on california AllaN01Bear Feb 2017 #53

In my circles TNLib Feb 2017 #55

K&R mcar Feb 2017 #56

Amen. In fact the one I know have all they need treestar Feb 2017 #57

Many reasons SujiwanKenobee Feb 2017 #59

If you want to market your message to the fraction of them that are turnable... KittyWampus Feb 2017 #60

It Sounds as If the People You're Describing On the Road Feb 2017 #61

One does not negotiate with fascists. Ray Bruns Feb 2017 #62

couldn't agree more florida08 Feb 2017 #65

Amen Proud Liberal Dem Feb 2017 #67

Introspection ? Sorry but please , most are like trump - it's always someone else or an outside lunasun Feb 2017 #88

well said still_one Feb 2017 #68

It's funny.. ananda Feb 2017 #69

The only way I see to sway them back is to Dustlawyer Feb 2017 #70

I think a lot of them haven't really tried to accept education as a means to a better life IMO lunasun Feb 2017 #73

They want everyone they don't like, all those Mc Mike Feb 2017 #74

Probably because you don't understand them nolabels Feb 2017 #75

Did you read the post at all? "I have lived with and am related to many of these people..." WinkyDink Feb 2017 #81

Yes I read the OP and my point was about the understanding nolabels Feb 2017 #115

Did you see the NYT op ed today? It's saying the same thing, and I think you are both right. Squinch Feb 2017 #76

Exactly lunasun Feb 2017 #90

Well put. I especially liked your last sentence: Dark n Stormy Knight Feb 2017 #105

I totally agree. Our platform is awesome. Our messaging sucks. Squinch Feb 2017 #112

Spot on! llmart Feb 2017 #109

I'd say that you DO understand them. Perfectly. stopbush Feb 2017 #84

when they bdamomma Feb 2017 #85

DURec leftstreet Feb 2017 #86

K&R ismnotwasm Feb 2017 #87

The travel ban was a step way too far. Initech Feb 2017 #89

Getting back to the original point that Grits was making... Stonepounder Feb 2017 #91

it's a religion and you'll never convert them head on. The best you can do is be a good example Hamlette Feb 2017 #94

i will never condone hatred, bigotry, misogyny or any of their other 'traits' spanone Feb 2017 #96

Agreed. I'm over being told to be patient and understanding of people who make no such effort butdiduvote Feb 2017 #97

Same thing that drove the Tea BaronChocula Feb 2017 #98

let's face it. it all came to them LOSING their WHITE PRIVILEGES. BRAINWASHED by pansypoo53219 Feb 2017 #100

+1, thank you. okieinpain Feb 2017 #101

My response: guillaumeb Feb 2017 #102

Our side includes all! DownriverDem Feb 2017 #104

Same here orangecrush Feb 2017 #113

You need to understand Trump voters . . . Richard D Feb 2017 #116

Are Trump voters our POLITICAL ENEMIES? Martin Eden Feb 2017 #117

Yes! Exactly. MineralMan Feb 2017 #118

SS and Medicare zentrum Feb 2017 #119

This guy might disagree with you rpannier Feb 2017 #120

Remember that old, tired meme with Madea holding a gun? joet67 Feb 2017 #124

trumpizem teslar Feb 2017 #125

I got in a FB argument with a couple of trumplodytes... the_sly_pig Feb 2017 #126