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pat_k

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146. No, I'm not ignoring Ellison's comment.

Mon Feb 27, 2017, 01:33 AM

Feb 2017

I took note of it several weeks ago.

Ellison's expressed intention to ask Sanders for his list has absolutely NOTHING to do with your false assertion (in post after post) that Sanders is in breach of an agreement with the DNC.

I fully expect Ellison to follow through with his expressed intention to ask. I imagine he already has.

At the time I thought it was extremely unlikely that Sanders would agree to hand over the Bernie 2016 donor/email list. I still think it is very doubtful.

I do think Sanders is very likely to leverage his list to call on those who supported him to get involved in efforts to respond to the emergency situation we are in. As a member of the list, I know he has already made use of it for a number of worthwhile calls to action.

So, when will you be withdrawing your erroneous claim that Sanders is in violation with an agreement to share donor data?

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I hate to say it but yep... redstatebluegirl Feb 2017 #2

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Well.. since he is not a Democrat.. I guess the answer is no.. and I can understand that.. Peacetrain Feb 2017 #4

If he "gets off the pot"... kentuck Feb 2017 #5

Enough with the "not a Democrat" crap. pat_k Feb 2017 #24

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Just stating a fact.. while he takes pot shots at the Democratic Cha Feb 2017 #40

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Well, he has a reason, after all. He wants to change our old ways. He's a reformer and that is CTyankee Feb 2017 #189

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I can work together. Many others can, too. But ... NurseJackie Feb 2017 #195

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Exactly.. he needs to work together. Cha Feb 2017 #211

I'm a relative newbie here at DU, and I've been dying to say something to you: lapucelle Feb 2017 #212

Mahalo to you, lapucelle! I've Cha Feb 2017 #214

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Hillary had a brilliant progressive Democratic Platform.. Cha Feb 2017 #209

OK, past is past. We've been through this. Let's move on as one party and work together CTyankee Feb 2017 #213

So Agree, CTyankee! Cha Feb 2017 #215

All of them. nt msanthrope Feb 2017 #51

No. "Donor data" is not normally shared. pat_k Feb 2017 #126

+1 ciaobaby Feb 2017 #73

+2 Barack_America Feb 2017 #87

+ another 1 nt riderinthestorm Feb 2017 #95

If you would be furious if you started getting emails from organizations that you didn't donate to.. George II Feb 2017 #169

I also got emails from these organizations Gothmog Feb 2017 #172

FFS, the DNC isn't entitled to it leftstreet Feb 2017 #6

In that case, DURHAM D Feb 2017 #10

Agreed Gothmog Feb 2017 #200

Not true. To get the DNC's list he AGREED to share his list with the DNC pnwmom Feb 2017 #11

"voter contact data" is NOT "donor data" or "volunteer data" pat_k Feb 2017 #70

The he needs to acknowledge that he doesn't give a shit about the party... Adrahil Feb 2017 #179

He is cashing in on his way out. NCTraveler Feb 2017 #7

Proof? alarimer Feb 2017 #166

Didn't think proof was necessary. And I dont really mind if you call bullshit. NCTraveler Feb 2017 #173

The torture never stops ornotna Feb 2017 #8

One of my favorite Zappa tunes world wide wally Feb 2017 #150

It won't help. Those donors aren't going to necessarily donate to the DNC riderinthestorm Feb 2017 #9

He signed a contract. He needs to honor it. pnwmom Feb 2017 #13

Your link has no proof. This is just more Bernie hate nt riderinthestorm Feb 2017 #39

Here: pnwmom Feb 2017 #46

The licensed term ended riderinthestorm Feb 2017 #83

The contract allows the "perpetual' use of the data after the licensed term is over. pnwmom Feb 2017 #84

Parsing. And I reiterate, it's useless to the DNC riderinthestorm Feb 2017 #90

Lol, just call anything that refutes your claim "parsing". That'll do the trick. JTFrog Feb 2017 #112

For future claims like this... pat_k Feb 2017 #129

Thank you for this nt riderinthestorm Feb 2017 #139

How is that "parsing"? The contract is the contract as pointed out. George II Feb 2017 #187

Answered above -- not an agreement for "donor data" pat_k Feb 2017 #131

I Thought Socialism Was All About Sharing otohara Feb 2017 #176

Oh....there you are. JPR down? nt msanthrope Feb 2017 #53

Aww, I merit stalking? FWIW, I'm still the Bernie Sanders group host riderinthestorm Feb 2017 #77

Oh...there you are. With the transphobic remark. Nice reveal. nt msanthrope Feb 2017 #102

An almost interesting reply. Sorry, not playing riderinthestorm Feb 2017 #111

Actually no. You admitted you wrote in Bernie for President. Skinner has made it clear seaglass Feb 2017 #163

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My daughter, who is autistic, cares for discarded and abused dressage msanthrope Feb 2017 #106

I have 4 "lifers" right now at my farm, discarded horses who I will care for riderinthestorm Feb 2017 #124

Participating in the industry that creates these castaways negates any "charity" shown to them. msanthrope Feb 2017 #161

Your daughter is awesome bravenak Feb 2017 #141

Thank you....she's a great kid and I love her very much. nt msanthrope Feb 2017 #162

you troll a lot. Oh, and since you love the salutation yourself, enjoy your stay! nt JCanete Feb 2017 #192

Been here since the start. I am enjoying it. nt msanthrope Feb 2017 #194

Any word if Clinton released here email list? Talk Is Cheap Feb 2017 #12

To the DNC? It goes without saying. She got their support (including list) from them... Hekate Feb 2017 #14

Got proof? Talk Is Cheap Feb 2017 #17

Do you? As you say, talk is cheap. Hekate Feb 2017 #125

Proof of what? Talk Is Cheap Feb 2017 #127

Proof of your claims, which amount to smears against the DNC and Clinton Hekate Feb 2017 #128

What smears against the DNC&Clinton are you referring to? Talk Is Cheap Feb 2017 #130

Of course she did. All the Democrats did -- it's a condition of sharing pnwmom Feb 2017 #15

I went to the DU link and then to the Politco link... Talk Is Cheap Feb 2017 #19

You didn't read the Appendix, page 3, item e. The language is very clear. n/t pnwmom Feb 2017 #20

There are no 'Appendices' - only Exhibits. Talk Is Cheap Feb 2017 #21

Look again. It's Appendix A and I just found it there again. I don't know why pnwmom Feb 2017 #22

Provide the actual link that you went too...that would help. Talk Is Cheap Feb 2017 #23

You said you already went there. Here it is again: pnwmom Feb 2017 #25

I went there, and there are no appendices... Talk Is Cheap Feb 2017 #35

Yeah, it sure does sound like some bull is going on bravenak Feb 2017 #43

It specifically EXCLUDES email addresses... Talk Is Cheap Feb 2017 #48

What about the rest of his donor information? Keith Ellison felt the need to speak up: pnwmom Feb 2017 #52

So, you admit your post is bogus about the email addresses... Talk Is Cheap Feb 2017 #60

Where was my post bogus? I said "email list" and changed it to "donor list" as soon as I realized -- pnwmom Feb 2017 #63

I also s did not see all those blank pages that he was describing. Maybe I missed it but... bravenak Feb 2017 #76

Me, neither. I have no idea what the poster was talking about. n/t pnwmom Feb 2017 #86

Could be from the other site that always lies about us bravenak Feb 2017 #89

Rep. Keith Ellison (D-Minn.) said for the first time that he will ask Sen. Bernie Sanders (I-Vt.) to Cha Feb 2017 #217

Give us their addresses and phone numbers then bravenak Feb 2017 #56

First, thanks for (not) admitting your error... Talk Is Cheap Feb 2017 #65

He never gave them up which is the agreement. We did our part. bravenak Feb 2017 #69

I see you are not familiar with contracts... Talk Is Cheap Feb 2017 #72

Oh!!! I see I am glad that we won't ever have this issue again. bravenak Feb 2017 #75

Not true. The contract said that upon the end of the licensed term, pnwmom Feb 2017 #93

It absolutely does - the data collected thru 12/31/2016 and excludes email addresses Talk Is Cheap Feb 2017 #98

Try reading the paragraph again. It gives the DNC the "perpetual use" pnwmom Feb 2017 #88

Reading comprehension... Talk Is Cheap Feb 2017 #92

So? My post -- and Keith Ellison's statement -- referred to the "donor list." n/t pnwmom Feb 2017 #94

Nothing to do with the DNC contract and campaigns... Talk Is Cheap Feb 2017 #100

Thank you Bravenak. I couldn't figure out how to do that. n/t pnwmom Feb 2017 #50

Just a screenshot. People being decietful is annoying and harmful at this point bravenak Feb 2017 #58

Deceitful? You said Appendix A and there was no Appendix A. Talk Is Cheap Feb 2017 #79

I said nothing about appendices. bravenak Feb 2017 #80

pnwmom, who I originally responded to, DID. Talk Is Cheap Feb 2017 #82

The page Bravenak posted was part of the Appendix. nt pnwmom Feb 2017 #91

There are no 'Appendices' - only Exhibits. Talk Is Cheap Feb 2017 #97

There is a 16 page Appendix, and the clause is on page 3. pnwmom Feb 2017 #96

Thanks for proving my statement... Talk Is Cheap Feb 2017 #101

Funny that Bravenak was smart enough to know that the Exhibit was an appendix pnwmom Feb 2017 #103

Funny that the word appendix did not appear in the doc... Talk Is Cheap Feb 2017 #110

The original document referred to an appendix which turned out to be the Exhibit. pnwmom Feb 2017 #117

Asked and answered... Talk Is Cheap Feb 2017 #118

And, most importantly, you were incorrect about the emails... Talk Is Cheap Feb 2017 #114

I fixed that as soon as I noticed -- which was before anyone mentioned it. pnwmom Feb 2017 #115

For what? Talk Is Cheap Feb 2017 #116

Nothing. And me, neither. n/t pnwmom Feb 2017 #119

Wait. You misrepresented the truth on several points. That requires an apology. Talk Is Cheap Feb 2017 #121

You "misrepresented the truth" pnwmom Feb 2017 #122

I said. "the DNC had the right to *use* most info collect thru the contract term." Talk Is Cheap Feb 2017 #123

No. Donor data is not normally shared pat_k Feb 2017 #132

Everyone knows I'm a Bernie fanatic Nevernose Feb 2017 #16

He signed a contract with the DNC to use THEIR database, which he acknowledged pnwmom Feb 2017 #18

Like I said: Nevernose Feb 2017 #33

Agreement is not for "donor data" pat_k Feb 2017 #133

self-delete pnwmom Feb 2017 #152

If the DNC really cares about people and not corporations.. ananda Feb 2017 #26

this party cant afford to be divided... samnsara Feb 2017 #27

Bernie's list is largely independents who the Dem party has no claim to. Barack_America Feb 2017 #85

The agreement being referred to does not appear to cover "donor data" pat_k Feb 2017 #134

Amazing how many times you have to say the same thing. pangaia Feb 2017 #142

I tend to get a little "testy" when... pat_k Feb 2017 #143

Good for him. Sienna86 Feb 2017 #29

It is completely hypocritical for those who claim they want the Dems to not take pnwmom Feb 2017 #32

yeah.. keep your list sanders.. all to yourself.. we'll move forward without it. Cha Feb 2017 #38

I hope Sanders will try to do every thing possible to get progressive ideas enacted. Thinkingabout Feb 2017 #30

That's right, it's only choie Feb 2017 #31

She sure as hell does. Cha Feb 2017 #37

and so does Bernie N/T choie Feb 2017 #42

yeah, and he's not the only Cha Feb 2017 #45

You've been doing this months: Give it a rest! Chasstev365 Feb 2017 #34

Tell that to BS Cha Feb 2017 #36

Why would Bernie share a list with Democratic candidates who take big donations jalan48 Feb 2017 #41

Because he agreed BY CONTRACT to share it in exchange for his use of the DNC database. pnwmom Feb 2017 #44

I'm sure if a leader within the Party feels as strongly as you do they will make an issue of it. jalan48 Feb 2017 #47

Do you consider Keith Ellison to be a party leader? pnwmom Feb 2017 #55

There ya go. Let's see what happens. jalan48 Feb 2017 #59

Ellison said that a month ago. Not much has happened. nt pnwmom Feb 2017 #61

He and Ellison are friends-is there a time line? jalan48 Feb 2017 #62

Yeah. ASAP. nt pnwmom Feb 2017 #66

I'm sure Bernie will be getting right on it then. jalan48 Feb 2017 #71

Why would democrats be against the dnc having their name and phone number? boston bean Feb 2017 #99

Maybe they are not all "official" Democrats. Perhaps they are independents. jalan48 Feb 2017 #104

But these persons want a say in the dnc, no?? boston bean Feb 2017 #105

Who knows, all we know is that they gave Bernie $27 because they believed in him. jalan48 Feb 2017 #107

When he ran as a democrat. I am curious if these persons are saying they aren't dems?? boston bean Feb 2017 #109

How will we ever know. They liked Bernie is all we know. jalan48 Feb 2017 #113

I can't imagine why he would after all the list would be used to try to stop Trump... Demsrule86 Feb 2017 #181

I think Bernie's interest is well known. Taking on the rich and powerful who have rigged the system jalan48 Feb 2017 #183

Right...because getting rid of Trump wouldn't be a win for Bernie? Demsrule86 Feb 2017 #198

Oh don't be sick. I'm sure Bernie will do the right thing. jalan48 Feb 2017 #202

I hope he does the right thing. Demsrule86 Feb 2017 #222

Ask yourself if what the DNC did to him marlakay Feb 2017 #49

What exactly did they do to him. Not just the talk about him. What did they do to him? nikibatts Feb 2017 #67

My question too. LisaM Feb 2017 #78

They did nothing to him...he lost all by himself...tired of that meme. Demsrule86 Feb 2017 #199

It might be better for him to keep the list karynnj Feb 2017 #54

Do you have a link for your statement about Kerry? pnwmom Feb 2017 #57

2004 predates that contract karynnj Feb 2017 #64

Well, Sanders did sign the contract, so he should honor it pnwmom Feb 2017 #68

Agreement with DNC referenced does not appear to cover "donor data" anyway. pat_k Feb 2017 #140

Read the contract. The licensed term ended. Sienna86 Feb 2017 #74

"Upon termination of the Licensed Term, the Campaign grants to the DNC a perpetual, irrevocable JTFrog Feb 2017 #108

Thank you, JTFrog. n/t pnwmom Feb 2017 #120

You are still ignoring the answer from 10:07 pat_k Feb 2017 #135

And you're ignoring what Keith Ellison said: pnwmom Feb 2017 #145

No, I'm not ignoring Ellison's comment. pat_k Feb 2017 #146

You haven't proved I was wrong. Thanks for sharing your theory. pnwmom Feb 2017 #149

What you quote is irrelevant. pat_k Feb 2017 #153

"Voter contact data" IS NOT donor data. "Volunteer data" IS NOT donor data. pat_k Feb 2017 #155

None of which is "donor data" pat_k Feb 2017 #138

Actually, it does not appear that it ever was for "donor data" pat_k Feb 2017 #137

Thank you for your patience. You are much too rational for this discussion. jalan48 Feb 2017 #144

Dutch Apple GP6971 Feb 2017 #136

Perhaps the reason he does not want to share is DURHAM D Feb 2017 #147

Are you suggesting he has been receiving Russian money ? OnDoutside Feb 2017 #154

I can't find anything about any outstanding FEC requests. pat_k Feb 2017 #158

He got two extensions and then when he withdrew didn't file a final report. pnwmom Feb 2017 #207

Thanks for the link. Bookmarked. pat_k Feb 2017 #208

Right and get rid of trump and his gang of cutthroats... Cha Feb 2017 #148

I'm going to surprise you by agreeing with you that he should because it would be conciliatory Ken Burch Feb 2017 #151

He can send... pat_k Feb 2017 #159

That's also an option. Ken Burch Feb 2017 #160

Yes. pat_k Feb 2017 #180

Aything anyone can do to heal Democratic divisions is a good idea. Demsrule86 Feb 2017 #182

If Bernie had given his word, then that's poor form however OnDoutside Feb 2017 #156

This twee pretty much says it all: BlueCaliDem Feb 2017 #157

Yawn. More Bernie bashing for no purpose. alarimer Feb 2017 #164

Oh please... what a stupid post. Motown_Johnny Feb 2017 #165

This infighting is what will destroy the party. Screw the list. Just develop a new one. mfcorey1 Feb 2017 #167

I suspect much of that donor list is already on the DNC server. George II Feb 2017 #168

Yup. KPN Feb 2017 #177

K&R Gothmog Feb 2017 #171

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What's the point of this OP other than to bash Bernie. KPN Feb 2017 #178

There is none. QC Feb 2017 #186

I think there's a lot more to it than that. NurseJackie Feb 2017 #188

Of course. n/t QC Feb 2017 #191

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Let us be grateful for small mercies. n/t QC Feb 2017 #201

Tell that to BS.. Keith is asking him for his donor list.. Cha Feb 2017 #218

I agree with the analysis in the OP Gothmog Feb 2017 #184

Good for Bernie. nt StubbornThings Feb 2017 #185

No.. Good on Keith Ellison.. Cha Feb 2017 #219

really really sick of the bernie bashing dembotoz Feb 2017 #197

Sanders needs to either support the Democratic Party wholeheartedly The Sand Reckoner Feb 2017 #203

Let's call for "party unity"...by four years of non-stop Sanders-bashing! regnaD kciN Feb 2017 #204

At this point, the list is the only leverage lapucelle Feb 2017 #205

Keith Tweet.. all about Unity. BS needs to take a cue.. Cha Feb 2017 #216

It's just a theory mind you. ornotna Feb 2017 #220

I've gotten enough spammy, clickbaiting DNC fundraising emails to know... killbotfactory Feb 2017 #221