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4. yikes...

Thu Dec 29, 2011, 09:26 PM

Dec 2011

I wonder if the oceans rising will be a gradual thing, or if we will just one day wake to our ports under water???

...and here in tahoe, after a hellacious winter last year that snowed till june... nothing, not even a good rain...no snow at all and it's forecast to be 60 the day after New Years...

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All-time record high temperature recorded at South Pole [View all] Newsjock Dec 2011 OP

But ,NO it's a normal cycle. n/t orpupilofnature57 Dec 2011 #1

Facts have a well-known liberal bias. Science is Socialism. Etc, etc... nt onehandle Dec 2011 #2

NOT good, NOT good derby378 Dec 2011 #3

I don't know about Kilimanjaro, but the upper rurallib Dec 2011 #5

I was on top of Kilimanjaro five years ago (in August). former9thward Dec 2011 #17

Wow... derby378 Dec 2011 #29

It was. former9thward Dec 2011 #34

yikes... FirstLight Dec 2011 #4

This is meaningless happyslug Dec 2011 #6

Temperatures ON the pole can go up more before that ice melts mindwalker_i Dec 2011 #7

I am curious about your statements... xocet Dec 2011 #8

My point was the temperature at the pole is much less important then temperatures elsewhere happyslug Dec 2011 #12

Thanks for your detailed response. It is appreciated. xocet Dec 2011 #13

No, I just read a lot and have been concerned about this for over ten years happyslug Dec 2011 #16

In the dead of winter here in northern MI 17 isn't too bad JNelson6563 Dec 2011 #11

I gotta agree. AverageJoe90 Jan 2012 #55

Looks like 2012 will be as hot if not hotter than 2010. Definitely in top 5 hottest years. joshcryer Dec 2011 #9

How much ya got? Edweird Dec 2011 #20

How much you willing to risk? joshcryer Dec 2011 #21

Risk? There's no risk on my part. Edweird Dec 2011 #23

Ahh, so you would dismiss the GISS temperature record if 2012 was in the 5th hottest on that record. joshcryer Dec 2011 #26

You are aware that the Earth is roughly 500,000,000 years old, correct? Edweird Dec 2011 #27

Ahh, yes. It's clear I am discussing the instrumental temperature record. joshcryer Dec 2011 #28

The OP says "all-time" and yours says the 'top 5' - both of which are incorrect. Edweird Dec 2011 #30

But, I never intended your intepretion, and neither did the OP. And you know that. joshcryer Dec 2011 #32

What bet? You mean the one where I showed that we are nowhere near "All-time" highs? Edweird Jan 2012 #35

You're dismissing the instrumental temperature record. Should I even continue this with you? joshcryer Jan 2012 #36

How long have instruments been around? How long has the Earth existed? Edweird Jan 2012 #38

Ahh, my friend. This is too easy. Your graph "starts" at 1950 (+95 year delay). joshcryer Jan 2012 #39

So? That changes the preceding 10,500 years in what way? Edweird Jan 2012 #40

The Holoscene was relatively stable. joshcryer Jan 2012 #44

You're having a real hard time accepting geological history. Edweird Jan 2012 #45

Haha, now you're using hundred thousand year variance. How far back do you want to go? joshcryer Jan 2012 #46

The blue link is the 10,000 year record, but here it is a 3rd time. Edweird Jan 2012 #47

That's a 3C variance. Compared to the 100ky variance, that is stable. joshcryer Jan 2012 #48

It's not stable. Edweird Jan 2012 #49

Ahh, so you agree temperature rise of a mere 2.0C would be catastrophic. joshcryer Jan 2012 #50

Pope Innocent VIII was wrong, and so are you. Edweird Jan 2012 #51

So what do you think the CO2 is doing? Is there a mechanism to equal out the *physical*... joshcryer Jan 2012 #52

Dude, get real. In the grand scheme of things we aren't squat. Edweird Jan 2012 #58

We put more excess CO2 into the atmosphere than all natural sources. joshcryer Jan 2012 #60

Wow, sarcastic I see. Logical Dec 2011 #31

The Earth is 500 million years old? You're off by an order of magnitude. TheWraith Jan 2012 #37

At least he didn't say 6,000. He's got that goin' for him. Hassin Bin Sober Jan 2012 #41

That was, unfortunately, 'off the cuff'. Edweird Jan 2012 #42

Yeah, my bad. Edweird Jan 2012 #43

So if you're so wrong about that, what else might you be wrong about? TheWraith Jan 2012 #53

By all means, go over it with a fine toothed comb. Edweird Jan 2012 #57

I assume you're holding yourself to the same standard. Edweird Jan 2012 #59

Scrapitalism. Kids there isn't a Santa, and there soon will be no north pole either. lonestarnot Dec 2011 #10

Good news for Santa. MilesColtrane Dec 2011 #14

"All time"? I don't believe that's remotely accurate. Edweird Dec 2011 #15

not just broken, but broken by ~10 degrees? Motown_Johnny Dec 2011 #18

But... but... it's snowing in Michigan! There's no climate change! Fawke Em Dec 2011 #19

Not in southeast Michigan. marmar Dec 2011 #25

Well WE have snow! DeathToTheOil Dec 2011 #22

Sobering. marmar Dec 2011 #24

but...but...but CLIMATEGATE!!!!11 jpak Dec 2011 #33

Was Polar Temperature Increases Predicted? Dirty Socialist Jan 2012 #54

What does this have to do with Glenn Greenwald? DeathToTheOil Jan 2012 #56