General Discussion

Calculating

(3,000 posts)

104. Well it might come to that

Sun Mar 19, 2017, 02:50 PM

Mar 2017

It took a lot of casualties stopping Hitler and the Japanese in WW2, but that was no reason to just give up and say "sure, have Europe". Stopping evil isn't free. There's always a price to be paid. Ignoring evil tends to just make the problem worse in the future though. In 10 years the price of stopping little Kimmy will probably be even higher. This guy is a serious problem and he isn't going away on his own. He seems to just get bolder and crazier as time goes by.

In other news, NK is threatening to nuke us again....

http://www.dailystar.co.uk/news/latest-news/598029/North-Korea-Nuclear-Kim-Jong-un-US-Strike-Single-Bullet-South-Japan-Foal-Eagle-USS-Carl
North Korea issues SHOCK war warning: ‘If a single bullet is fired, we WILL nuke the US’

In a statement, North Korea’s Foreign Ministry said: "The Korean People’s Army will reduce the bases of aggression and provocation to ashes with its invincible Hwasong rockets tipped with nuclear warheads and reliably defend the security of the country and its people’s happiness in case the US and the South Korean puppet forces fire even a single bullet at the territory of the DPRK."

Edit history

Please sign in to view edit histories.

Recommendations

0 members have recommended this reply (displayed in chronological order):

254 replies

= new reply since forum marked as read

Highlight:

I'm going to be in the minority here re NK but... [View all] Rustyeye77 Mar 2017 OP

If you attack NK's nuke sites.... VMA131Marine Mar 2017 #1

That's kind of the point. DemocratSinceBirth Mar 2017 #4

So we do nothing while he keeps building bigger missiles ? Rustyeye77 Mar 2017 #5

Nobody is saying that nothing should be done... VMA131Marine Mar 2017 #10

I hope they will.....but I doubt it. Rustyeye77 Mar 2017 #13

Here's my idea Yupster Mar 2017 #83

I think that's been done. It's eliminated family members and generals, but the pissant remains... WestSeattle2 Mar 2017 #151

Just like Hitler though Yupster Mar 2017 #158

The Soviet Red Army got rid of Hitler, fwiw, not his generals. Technically speaking, Hitler KingCharlemagne Mar 2017 #186

The generals tried Yupster Mar 2017 #199

Actually Russia Separation Mar 2017 #230

We use non- war methods like diplomacy and sanctions. Demsrule86 Mar 2017 #242

Came to post nearly exactly your point... Docreed2003 Mar 2017 #8

The US would go nuclear on Pyongyang if it looked like an invasion of the South were succeeding VMA131Marine Mar 2017 #14

Plus, there will be NK defections and complete chaos Alice11111 Mar 2017 #68

An invasion would be fraught with peril for the North Yupster Mar 2017 #86

The only way I see NK attacking SK is if we attack NK. The problem is China still_one Mar 2017 #91

What's this "By the time we have enough troops to prepare for an invasion"? former9thward Mar 2017 #148

It's not a knock on South Korea Docreed2003 Mar 2017 #161

China won't sit idly on the sidelines Mendocino Mar 2017 #9

That is the wild card Mendocino. Trump has pissed off China in a major way, by his comments still_one Mar 2017 #93

LOL. What were MacArthur's last words? - nt KingCharlemagne Mar 2017 #187

Either never get involved in a land war in Asia or Mendocino Mar 2017 #195

Where the fuck did all those Chinamen come from? :) KingCharlemagne Mar 2017 #196

Little Big Man Mendocino Mar 2017 #198

That's right. Seoul would be in immediate danger. Kimchijeon Mar 2017 #51

+1 Alice11111 Mar 2017 #90

no one here is a fan of nk's government and everyone wants pressure on them. unblock Mar 2017 #2

+1! Cha Mar 2017 #208

just out of curiosity, is there a trump hotel in south korea? unblock Mar 2017 #3

North Korea is probably safe DemocratSinceBirth Mar 2017 #6

yeah, my take on this is that tin-pot dictators love saber-rattling, and that fits donnie to a 't'. unblock Mar 2017 #7

Except this punk tin dictator is reported to have 16-20 nukes. Rustyeye77 Mar 2017 #11

NK's nukes are still too big to fit on an ICBM VMA131Marine Mar 2017 #16

I was talking about donnie;) unblock Mar 2017 #45

Most 'tin-pot dictators' do not have access to the world's largest stockpiles of chemical weapons. bathroommonkey76 Mar 2017 #18

Chem/bio attack by NK on SK would trigger a US nuclear response VMA131Marine Mar 2017 #21

Which would probably begin the end of the world...and if there is a world left Demsrule86 Mar 2017 #75

We only wish...like he's been held to task for anything. Alice11111 Mar 2017 #95

Trump is so dangerous...I an surprised the GOP hasn't got rid of him already...they have Pence after Demsrule86 Mar 2017 #177

Because their own arses are tied up in all of these scandals Alice11111 Mar 2017 #180

Must be true...why else would they not let the chips fall where they may? Demsrule86 Mar 2017 #225

I agree with you too. Demsrule86 Mar 2017 #238

Stop! We do not fall under The Hague!!!!!!! yeoman6987 Mar 2017 #134

Is that an order, yeoman6987? Kingofalldems Mar 2017 #166

Crimes against humanity do fall under the Hague which is why Bush can't travel abroad. Demsrule86 Mar 2017 #176

Of course he will be in the event of a US military attack, he won't have a thing to lose workinclasszero Mar 2017 #101

I do not know about that. Doreen Mar 2017 #108

China is not giving S Korea weapons Progressive dog Mar 2017 #153

I thought I heard that on the news but I could have just Doreen Mar 2017 #156

Speaking of non-signers: guillaumeb Mar 2017 #28

Nat? What would we expect? Alice11111 Mar 2017 #109

I was talking about donnie ;) unblock Mar 2017 #46

Interesting, thanks. More than I knew. Most insurance Alice11111 Mar 2017 #88

If the Trump's buildings get destroyed Progressive dog Mar 2017 #154

Condos GP6971 Mar 2017 #12

R U stationed on the DMZ right now? jpak Mar 2017 #15

Nope... Rustyeye77 Mar 2017 #22

A law suit jpak Mar 2017 #34

And you laugh at me. Rustyeye77 Mar 2017 #42

How many American troops do you want to send? edhopper Mar 2017 #17

Good point...whats your practical solution? Rustyeye77 Mar 2017 #19

China is leveling serious sanctions against NK...give it time to work. Demsrule86 Mar 2017 #25

The real reason China wont exert economic pressure on North Korea Rustyeye77 Mar 2017 #31

I don't give a damn-not war! This article is from the South China Morning Post. Demsrule86 Mar 2017 #66

No Fox link available? tazkcmo Mar 2017 #141

Very well put...and anyone who thinks we should go to war with North Korea Demsrule86 Mar 2017 #237

They are using coal sanctions now...we do not need to go into a war Demsrule86 Mar 2017 #178

+ Alice11111 Mar 2017 #98

Even the U.S. Civil War? Even WW II? - nt KingCharlemagne Mar 2017 #188

Of course I hate all war...now the civil war was the most awful in our history...brother against Demsrule86 Mar 2017 #224

A while back I asked a friend of mine who is an A-A elected office-holder (was, not any longer is) Yupster Mar 2017 #233

Everyone has an opinion... Demsrule86 Mar 2017 #236

Not many edhopper Mar 2017 #44

What containment is that ? Rustyeye77 Mar 2017 #53

you're willing to start edhopper Mar 2017 #77

If we set off a nuke near China, we are dead. The fallout Blue_true Mar 2017 #164

North Korea has just over a million troops ready to fight. Blue_true Mar 2017 #163

My solution Motownman78 Mar 2017 #192

The North Korea problem does not have a good ending in any scenario, imo. PearliePoo2 Mar 2017 #20

He can do that to SK now. Rustyeye77 Mar 2017 #23

I have no answer or solution, but I think it's quickly coming to a head. I'm really frightened. PearliePoo2 Mar 2017 #41

Sounds like we should move them to a safer location Alice11111 Mar 2017 #100

I posted last night about Generals on MSNBC gaming this. adigal Mar 2017 #49

I posted my solution above Yupster Mar 2017 #87

Really ? Rustyeye77 Mar 2017 #103

No spies involved Yupster Mar 2017 #137

These people have nukes...it would be insane to do as you suggest. Demsrule86 Mar 2017 #24

Its easy to dismiss the idea. Rustyeye77 Mar 2017 #36

I posted my solution...China is working on it now as we speak... Demsrule86 Mar 2017 #59

I've seen no evidence that "China is working on it" Rustyeye77 Mar 2017 #63

There are sanctions...we should use diplomacy to get tougher ones. Demsrule86 Mar 2017 #72

China is trying to weaken Kim. That could be why Kim killed Blue_true Mar 2017 #168

We need to weaken Kim, but war won't do that. Blue_true Mar 2017 #167

If there had been a simple solution, previous administrations would have attempted it dalton99a Mar 2017 #26

exactly-- there are no good answers even for SMART administrations Fast Walker 52 Mar 2017 #73

Is your solution pre-emptive strikes? Thor_MN Mar 2017 #27

Those are direct questions. Iggo Mar 2017 #146

Didnt see it, sorry. Rustyeye77 Mar 2017 #150

So, you are in favor of being the aggressor if the opponent gains a weapon Thor_MN Mar 2017 #165

If we strike NK with even one conventional missile Blue_true Mar 2017 #169

We heard the same argument regarding Iran and Iraq. guillaumeb Mar 2017 #29

Only two people are dumb enough to not use that logic, one is in charge in NK Eliot Rosewater Mar 2017 #32

I disagree................... guillaumeb Mar 2017 #33

You do? BTW I am not making the argument that fuckface or bannon should do anything, but I Eliot Rosewater Mar 2017 #37

Given that most people have a self-preservation instinct. guillaumeb Mar 2017 #118

Great...its easy to criticize . Rustyeye77 Mar 2017 #38

Criticize Trump? You think I am too hard on fuckface? Eliot Rosewater Mar 2017 #40

i thought you were criticizing me. Rustyeye77 Mar 2017 #47

The problem is who is in power. Pre emptive strike is not the solution in my opinion Eliot Rosewater Mar 2017 #50

Absolutely! We are not in Kansas anymore...no Obama, no adult. Alice11111 Mar 2017 #117

+1 Alice11111 Mar 2017 #113

Here is what we all know, the last human being alive you want in charge of any Eliot Rosewater Mar 2017 #30

Here is a question ProudLib72 Mar 2017 #35

How badly do you wish now all those 3rd party voters and non voters would have Eliot Rosewater Mar 2017 #39

Well we aren't going to get any help ProudLib72 Mar 2017 #64

Fuckface doesn't know for sure they can't reach California...but since they didn't vote for him, Demsrule86 Mar 2017 #67

Right, and in the hopes that calling him names is not productive I wont call him that Eliot Rosewater Mar 2017 #70

I don't care what you call him... so fine with me. Demsrule86 Mar 2017 #78

It's a good but troubling question that you pose, ProudLib True Dough Mar 2017 #92

Some website suggested recognizing NK as a legitimate state Renew Deal Mar 2017 #96

If that's what it takes ProudLib72 Mar 2017 #102

We may need to consider alternatives, like wIran, but we don't have the brain power at the helm now Alice11111 Mar 2017 #125

It's called nuclear blackmail. BunkieBandit Mar 2017 #179

I agree honestly. Calculating Mar 2017 #43

Wow...I figured I'd be alone. Rustyeye77 Mar 2017 #52

I just think your opinion is foolish, no flames adigal Mar 2017 #48

+1 demmiblue Mar 2017 #54

Those are great words..BTW...What containment is that? Rustyeye77 Mar 2017 #55

You isolate him even more than he is...and you hit him in HIS financial interests adigal Mar 2017 #184

+1 Alice11111 Mar 2017 #60

China has put pressure on NK. Stopped buying their coal. Alice11111 Mar 2017 #56

I'm afraid that move is largely symbolic. NWCorona Mar 2017 #65

That is precisely why China's recent cutbacks make a difference Alice11111 Mar 2017 #81

I'll agree that China is the only one with any sway in NK NWCorona Mar 2017 #85

That is quite true. I forgot about that. This is a real blow to Demsrule86 Mar 2017 #79

+1 Alice11111 Mar 2017 #82

+2 stillcool Mar 2017 #121

If Putin could install a puppet in the USA without firing a shot it seems we should be able to KittyWampus Mar 2017 #57

...not sure anyone can handle crazy NKs toddler dictator, but our crazy toddler Prez fucks up Alice11111 Mar 2017 #105

Given what NK just said today I think this is worth posting again. NWCorona Mar 2017 #58

Bingo Rustyeye77 Mar 2017 #69

Bernie reiterates that NK is a threat, but doesn't really have a solution. Renew Deal Mar 2017 #99

Don't really want to Bernie-side track this but I did post that clip so your comment is fair. NWCorona Mar 2017 #111

Here's a link Renew Deal Mar 2017 #129

Thanks for the link! NWCorona Mar 2017 #135

I'm not saying it will blow over Renew Deal Mar 2017 #144

What keeps Kim from unleashing? Buckeyeblue Mar 2017 #61

I think it's because he doesn't have his ultimate toy yet. PearliePoo2 Mar 2017 #71

What keeps him from unleashing? He's still in power and relatively safe. NWCorona Mar 2017 #80

...kinda like our situation w our little donnie. If the heat on him gets hot, he will launch. Alice11111 Mar 2017 #122

I don't trust Trump at all but luckily we have safe guards in place NWCorona Mar 2017 #126

There are no safeguards...Trump could nuke North Korea anytime he chooses. Demsrule86 Mar 2017 #239

No clue about what to do democrank Mar 2017 #62

Kim Jong Loon vs Trumpster Calculating Mar 2017 #74

don't want our punk/thug dictator doing anything - especially without our allies. spanone Mar 2017 #76

I think it will happen eventually Bradical79 Mar 2017 #84

Not Yet citood Mar 2017 #89

I think a lot of DUers agree with you Renew Deal Mar 2017 #94

Iminent ? ...No Rustyeye77 Mar 2017 #116

"imminent" I've learned a long time ago that anything dealing with time is a matter of perspective NWCorona Mar 2017 #120

Do you think that NK would pull the trigger on a war? Renew Deal Mar 2017 #123

I dont know...but I'm not willing to gamble on that. Rustyeye77 Mar 2017 #128

Some won't admit it now, but they made the mistake of thinking Bush's middle east war was neccessary Demsrule86 Mar 2017 #240

It's complicated Renew Deal Mar 2017 #243

How many South Korean casualties are you willing to accept? workinclasszero Mar 2017 #97

Well it might come to that Calculating Mar 2017 #104

Hitler didn't have nuclear ICBM's or nerve agents either. workinclasszero Mar 2017 #110

Ok so what happens when Calculating Mar 2017 #136

If we or our allies are attacked then we defend ourselves or them workinclasszero Mar 2017 #204

What nations has North Korea invaded? DemocratSinceBirth Mar 2017 #119

We could at least wait until we have a sane CIC. Crunchy Frog Mar 2017 #197

Agree 1000%! workinclasszero Mar 2017 #205

What?? They launched this today? PearliePoo2 Mar 2017 #106

No this was tested about a year ago I guess workinclasszero Mar 2017 #115

So you want to start a war with Russia too? sharedvalues Mar 2017 #107

So your solution is ? Rustyeye77 Mar 2017 #124

False dichotomy. My solution is: have a real state dept, Secy of State, and President sharedvalues Mar 2017 #159

I don't actually think Putin gives a shit about North Korea. Warren DeMontague Mar 2017 #216

His missles can already reach Washington state. Doreen Mar 2017 #112

I'm fine with that lies Mar 2017 #114

I believe that was a great policy ... before the advent of nuclear weapons. Rustyeye77 Mar 2017 #133

Germany never attacked the US in either WW1 or WW2. oneshooter Mar 2017 #244

Cmon lies Mar 2017 #245

Lets hear it. I am willing to listen. n/t oneshooter Mar 2017 #248

Ok lies Mar 2017 #249

Listen very closely to what I am typing. oneshooter Mar 2017 #250

Which is a ridiculous basis for anything lies Mar 2017 #252

Then by all means tazkcmo Mar 2017 #127

I'd rather put the money... stillcool Mar 2017 #130

So give me your allowable edhopper Mar 2017 #131

No deaths are "acceptable". Rustyeye77 Mar 2017 #138

So you are advocating a first strike edhopper Mar 2017 #142

It will 100 x worse if he gets weaponized nukes. Rustyeye77 Mar 2017 #152

what makes you think edhopper Mar 2017 #162

The point that was made to you that you don't get. Blue_true Mar 2017 #171

CHINA, CHINA, CHINA Cosmocat Mar 2017 #132

Would've been nice to have someone with international experience steering the ship Calculating Mar 2017 #139

E-MAILS, BENGHAIZI, MAKE AMERICA GREAT AGAIN Cosmocat Mar 2017 #143

Patience can be a virtue re China and N Korea delisen Mar 2017 #140

Actually in spite of the bluster - of both Trump and Tillerson -- it looks like they will do karynnj Mar 2017 #145

Just one question . . . ChicagoRonin Mar 2017 #147

All true Rustyeye77 Mar 2017 #149

Look, North Korea has had the capacity to destroy Seoul Blue_true Mar 2017 #172

Diplomacy matt819 Mar 2017 #155

Countries like NK want nukes to protect themselves from us, the only country to have used nukes. Hoyt Mar 2017 #157

We should negotiate one on one with NK. No one has tried that. Blue_true Mar 2017 #173

I agree. I once calculated that we could have paid every Iraqi more than their per capita income Hoyt Mar 2017 #183

You do understand Warren DeMontague Mar 2017 #217

I understand that there are countries who have not advanced as we did from Hoyt Mar 2017 #218

I'm not "warmongering". Warren DeMontague Mar 2017 #220

Read Howard Zinn's description of how slaves lived. NK is better than that, Hoyt Mar 2017 #223

I've read Howard Zinn, thanks. Warren DeMontague Mar 2017 #226

So, what is gained by thrashing NK except to give the GOPers more support to bomb them. You think Hoyt Mar 2017 #227

What's "gained"? Speaking the truth, is what's gained. Saying that this is not okay. Warren DeMontague Mar 2017 #229

+Infinity - nt KingCharlemagne Mar 2017 #190

North Korea is a totalitarian shithole where families of dissidents are put in concentration camps Warren DeMontague Mar 2017 #209

Sounds about like us at times. America First and bomb/nuke em is foolish too. Hoyt Mar 2017 #211

Go on, Keep digging. Warren DeMontague Mar 2017 #212

I agree with you JesterCS Mar 2017 #160

North Korea has viewed us as a threat since the Korean War Blue_true Mar 2017 #174

Wouldn't work Calculating Mar 2017 #175

There is a much simpler and infinitely less dangerous option to try first: Direct diplomacy. stevenleser Mar 2017 #170

I guess those 8 international agreements we made don't count. Rustyeye77 Mar 2017 #189

Is your post a reply to mine? nt stevenleser Mar 2017 #201

Yes Rustyeye77 Mar 2017 #213

No, we haven't. Being part of a multiparty effort isn't the same as 1 on 1 negotiations. stevenleser Mar 2017 #219

I'm very patient. Rustyeye77 Mar 2017 #221

Publicly approach South Korea and Japan with the possibility of nuking up themselves. Trust Buster Mar 2017 #181

My wife's parents are in Seoul. You threaten them with this propaganda. yodermon Mar 2017 #182

This message was self-deleted by its author roamer65 Mar 2017 #191

You going to enlist, bucko? Or is this more a "Let's you and KingCharlemagne Mar 2017 #185

Breaking the ceasefire would be the start of World War 3. roamer65 Mar 2017 #193

Maybe. Rustyeye77 Mar 2017 #228

Look, I agree that NK has liberalhistorian Mar 2017 #194

I have this discussion frequently with an Asian woman I'm seeing. Here are some things we've said: NBachers Mar 2017 #200

What if they nuke Seoul or Tokyo in retaliation ? DemocratSinceBirth Mar 2017 #202

This message was self-deleted by its author GP6971 Mar 2017 #203

One of the precious few benefits of this catastrophic "presidency" would be if it went after China Azathoth Mar 2017 #206

Calling Jimmy Carter! Rhiannon12866 Mar 2017 #207

One of our best Presidents because of his humility Cooley Hurd Apr 2017 #253

His priorities were human rights, telling the truth and keeping the peace Rhiannon12866 Apr 2017 #254

I'm not going to flame. I will only say that North Korea is a textbook example of why you want Warren DeMontague Mar 2017 #210

If MacArthur had listened to Truman instead of his own ego Warren DeMontague Mar 2017 #214

The simple truth is that there is no easy solution. Kentonio Mar 2017 #215

We're also screwed if NK gets ICBMs capable of hitting mainland US Calculating Mar 2017 #222

This doesn't change the truth of what I said though. Kentonio Mar 2017 #231

We should bomb them now and thereby starve their impoverished citizens Orrex Mar 2017 #246

My bet is that the Chinese are watching this a LOT more closely than they're letting on DFW Mar 2017 #232

It's quite clear that you're not all that familiar with N/S Korea politics MrScorpio Mar 2017 #234

I'm unlikely to get on board with any surgical-strike sales pitch for yet another war. Orsino Mar 2017 #235

I agree completely. Demsrule86 Mar 2017 #241

It's easy to forget that only one nation has ever dropped atomic bombs, isn't it? On civilians, too. WinkyDink Mar 2017 #247

Problem is SJMULE Mar 2017 #251