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MrScorpio

(73,626 posts)
234. It's quite clear that you're not all that familiar with N/S Korea politics
Tue Mar 21, 2017, 10:57 AM
Mar 2017

Everything you've suggested would make things much worse there.

If you attack NK's nuke sites.... VMA131Marine Mar 2017 #1
That's kind of the point. DemocratSinceBirth Mar 2017 #4
So we do nothing while he keeps building bigger missiles ? Rustyeye77 Mar 2017 #5
Nobody is saying that nothing should be done... VMA131Marine Mar 2017 #10
I hope they will.....but I doubt it. Rustyeye77 Mar 2017 #13
Here's my idea Yupster Mar 2017 #83
I think that's been done. It's eliminated family members and generals, but the pissant remains... WestSeattle2 Mar 2017 #151
Just like Hitler though Yupster Mar 2017 #158
The Soviet Red Army got rid of Hitler, fwiw, not his generals. Technically speaking, Hitler KingCharlemagne Mar 2017 #186
The generals tried Yupster Mar 2017 #199
Actually Russia Separation Mar 2017 #230
We use non- war methods like diplomacy and sanctions. Demsrule86 Mar 2017 #242
Came to post nearly exactly your point... Docreed2003 Mar 2017 #8
The US would go nuclear on Pyongyang if it looked like an invasion of the South were succeeding VMA131Marine Mar 2017 #14
Plus, there will be NK defections and complete chaos Alice11111 Mar 2017 #68
An invasion would be fraught with peril for the North Yupster Mar 2017 #86
The only way I see NK attacking SK is if we attack NK. The problem is China still_one Mar 2017 #91
What's this "By the time we have enough troops to prepare for an invasion"? former9thward Mar 2017 #148
It's not a knock on South Korea Docreed2003 Mar 2017 #161
China won't sit idly on the sidelines Mendocino Mar 2017 #9
That is the wild card Mendocino. Trump has pissed off China in a major way, by his comments still_one Mar 2017 #93
LOL. What were MacArthur's last words? - nt KingCharlemagne Mar 2017 #187
Either never get involved in a land war in Asia or Mendocino Mar 2017 #195
Where the fuck did all those Chinamen come from? :) KingCharlemagne Mar 2017 #196
Little Big Man Mendocino Mar 2017 #198
That's right. Seoul would be in immediate danger. Kimchijeon Mar 2017 #51
+1 Alice11111 Mar 2017 #90
no one here is a fan of nk's government and everyone wants pressure on them. unblock Mar 2017 #2
+1! Cha Mar 2017 #208
just out of curiosity, is there a trump hotel in south korea? unblock Mar 2017 #3
North Korea is probably safe DemocratSinceBirth Mar 2017 #6
yeah, my take on this is that tin-pot dictators love saber-rattling, and that fits donnie to a 't'. unblock Mar 2017 #7
Except this punk tin dictator is reported to have 16-20 nukes. Rustyeye77 Mar 2017 #11
NK's nukes are still too big to fit on an ICBM VMA131Marine Mar 2017 #16
I was talking about donnie;) unblock Mar 2017 #45
Most 'tin-pot dictators' do not have access to the world's largest stockpiles of chemical weapons. bathroommonkey76 Mar 2017 #18
Chem/bio attack by NK on SK would trigger a US nuclear response VMA131Marine Mar 2017 #21
Which would probably begin the end of the world...and if there is a world left Demsrule86 Mar 2017 #75
We only wish...like he's been held to task for anything. Alice11111 Mar 2017 #95
Trump is so dangerous...I an surprised the GOP hasn't got rid of him already...they have Pence after Demsrule86 Mar 2017 #177
Because their own arses are tied up in all of these scandals Alice11111 Mar 2017 #180
Must be true...why else would they not let the chips fall where they may? Demsrule86 Mar 2017 #225
I agree with you too. Demsrule86 Mar 2017 #238
Stop! We do not fall under The Hague!!!!!!! yeoman6987 Mar 2017 #134
Is that an order, yeoman6987? Kingofalldems Mar 2017 #166
Crimes against humanity do fall under the Hague which is why Bush can't travel abroad. Demsrule86 Mar 2017 #176
Of course he will be in the event of a US military attack, he won't have a thing to lose workinclasszero Mar 2017 #101
I do not know about that. Doreen Mar 2017 #108
China is not giving S Korea weapons Progressive dog Mar 2017 #153
I thought I heard that on the news but I could have just Doreen Mar 2017 #156
Speaking of non-signers: guillaumeb Mar 2017 #28
Nat? What would we expect? Alice11111 Mar 2017 #109
I was talking about donnie ;) unblock Mar 2017 #46
Interesting, thanks. More than I knew. Most insurance Alice11111 Mar 2017 #88
If the Trump's buildings get destroyed Progressive dog Mar 2017 #154
Condos GP6971 Mar 2017 #12
R U stationed on the DMZ right now? jpak Mar 2017 #15
Nope... Rustyeye77 Mar 2017 #22
A law suit jpak Mar 2017 #34
And you laugh at me. Rustyeye77 Mar 2017 #42
How many American troops do you want to send? edhopper Mar 2017 #17
Good point...whats your practical solution? Rustyeye77 Mar 2017 #19
China is leveling serious sanctions against NK...give it time to work. Demsrule86 Mar 2017 #25
The real reason China wont exert economic pressure on North Korea Rustyeye77 Mar 2017 #31
I don't give a damn-not war! This article is from the South China Morning Post. Demsrule86 Mar 2017 #66
No Fox link available? tazkcmo Mar 2017 #141
Very well put...and anyone who thinks we should go to war with North Korea Demsrule86 Mar 2017 #237
They are using coal sanctions now...we do not need to go into a war Demsrule86 Mar 2017 #178
+ Alice11111 Mar 2017 #98
Even the U.S. Civil War? Even WW II? - nt KingCharlemagne Mar 2017 #188
Of course I hate all war...now the civil war was the most awful in our history...brother against Demsrule86 Mar 2017 #224
A while back I asked a friend of mine who is an A-A elected office-holder (was, not any longer is) Yupster Mar 2017 #233
Everyone has an opinion... Demsrule86 Mar 2017 #236
Not many edhopper Mar 2017 #44
What containment is that ? Rustyeye77 Mar 2017 #53
you're willing to start edhopper Mar 2017 #77
If we set off a nuke near China, we are dead. The fallout Blue_true Mar 2017 #164
North Korea has just over a million troops ready to fight. Blue_true Mar 2017 #163
My solution Motownman78 Mar 2017 #192
The North Korea problem does not have a good ending in any scenario, imo. PearliePoo2 Mar 2017 #20
He can do that to SK now. Rustyeye77 Mar 2017 #23
I have no answer or solution, but I think it's quickly coming to a head. I'm really frightened. PearliePoo2 Mar 2017 #41
Sounds like we should move them to a safer location Alice11111 Mar 2017 #100
I posted last night about Generals on MSNBC gaming this. adigal Mar 2017 #49
I posted my solution above Yupster Mar 2017 #87
Really ? Rustyeye77 Mar 2017 #103
No spies involved Yupster Mar 2017 #137
These people have nukes...it would be insane to do as you suggest. Demsrule86 Mar 2017 #24
Its easy to dismiss the idea. Rustyeye77 Mar 2017 #36
I posted my solution...China is working on it now as we speak... Demsrule86 Mar 2017 #59
I've seen no evidence that "China is working on it" Rustyeye77 Mar 2017 #63
There are sanctions...we should use diplomacy to get tougher ones. Demsrule86 Mar 2017 #72
China is trying to weaken Kim. That could be why Kim killed Blue_true Mar 2017 #168
We need to weaken Kim, but war won't do that. Blue_true Mar 2017 #167
If there had been a simple solution, previous administrations would have attempted it dalton99a Mar 2017 #26
exactly-- there are no good answers even for SMART administrations Fast Walker 52 Mar 2017 #73
Is your solution pre-emptive strikes? Thor_MN Mar 2017 #27
Those are direct questions. Iggo Mar 2017 #146
Didnt see it, sorry. Rustyeye77 Mar 2017 #150
So, you are in favor of being the aggressor if the opponent gains a weapon Thor_MN Mar 2017 #165
If we strike NK with even one conventional missile Blue_true Mar 2017 #169
We heard the same argument regarding Iran and Iraq. guillaumeb Mar 2017 #29
Only two people are dumb enough to not use that logic, one is in charge in NK Eliot Rosewater Mar 2017 #32
I disagree................... guillaumeb Mar 2017 #33
You do? BTW I am not making the argument that fuckface or bannon should do anything, but I Eliot Rosewater Mar 2017 #37
Given that most people have a self-preservation instinct. guillaumeb Mar 2017 #118
Great...its easy to criticize . Rustyeye77 Mar 2017 #38
Criticize Trump? You think I am too hard on fuckface? Eliot Rosewater Mar 2017 #40
i thought you were criticizing me. Rustyeye77 Mar 2017 #47
The problem is who is in power. Pre emptive strike is not the solution in my opinion Eliot Rosewater Mar 2017 #50
Absolutely! We are not in Kansas anymore...no Obama, no adult. Alice11111 Mar 2017 #117
+1 Alice11111 Mar 2017 #113
Here is what we all know, the last human being alive you want in charge of any Eliot Rosewater Mar 2017 #30
Here is a question ProudLib72 Mar 2017 #35
How badly do you wish now all those 3rd party voters and non voters would have Eliot Rosewater Mar 2017 #39
Well we aren't going to get any help ProudLib72 Mar 2017 #64
Fuckface doesn't know for sure they can't reach California...but since they didn't vote for him, Demsrule86 Mar 2017 #67
Right, and in the hopes that calling him names is not productive I wont call him that Eliot Rosewater Mar 2017 #70
I don't care what you call him... so fine with me. Demsrule86 Mar 2017 #78
It's a good but troubling question that you pose, ProudLib True Dough Mar 2017 #92
Some website suggested recognizing NK as a legitimate state Renew Deal Mar 2017 #96
If that's what it takes ProudLib72 Mar 2017 #102
We may need to consider alternatives, like wIran, but we don't have the brain power at the helm now Alice11111 Mar 2017 #125
It's called nuclear blackmail. BunkieBandit Mar 2017 #179
I agree honestly. Calculating Mar 2017 #43
Wow...I figured I'd be alone. Rustyeye77 Mar 2017 #52
I just think your opinion is foolish, no flames adigal Mar 2017 #48
+1 demmiblue Mar 2017 #54
Those are great words..BTW...What containment is that? Rustyeye77 Mar 2017 #55
You isolate him even more than he is...and you hit him in HIS financial interests adigal Mar 2017 #184
+1 Alice11111 Mar 2017 #60
China has put pressure on NK. Stopped buying their coal. Alice11111 Mar 2017 #56
I'm afraid that move is largely symbolic. NWCorona Mar 2017 #65
That is precisely why China's recent cutbacks make a difference Alice11111 Mar 2017 #81
I'll agree that China is the only one with any sway in NK NWCorona Mar 2017 #85
That is quite true. I forgot about that. This is a real blow to Demsrule86 Mar 2017 #79
+1 Alice11111 Mar 2017 #82
+2 stillcool Mar 2017 #121
If Putin could install a puppet in the USA without firing a shot it seems we should be able to KittyWampus Mar 2017 #57
...not sure anyone can handle crazy NKs toddler dictator, but our crazy toddler Prez fucks up Alice11111 Mar 2017 #105
Given what NK just said today I think this is worth posting again. NWCorona Mar 2017 #58
Bingo Rustyeye77 Mar 2017 #69
Bernie reiterates that NK is a threat, but doesn't really have a solution. Renew Deal Mar 2017 #99
Don't really want to Bernie-side track this but I did post that clip so your comment is fair. NWCorona Mar 2017 #111
Here's a link Renew Deal Mar 2017 #129
Thanks for the link! NWCorona Mar 2017 #135
I'm not saying it will blow over Renew Deal Mar 2017 #144
What keeps Kim from unleashing? Buckeyeblue Mar 2017 #61
I think it's because he doesn't have his ultimate toy yet. PearliePoo2 Mar 2017 #71
What keeps him from unleashing? He's still in power and relatively safe. NWCorona Mar 2017 #80
...kinda like our situation w our little donnie. If the heat on him gets hot, he will launch. Alice11111 Mar 2017 #122
I don't trust Trump at all but luckily we have safe guards in place NWCorona Mar 2017 #126
There are no safeguards...Trump could nuke North Korea anytime he chooses. Demsrule86 Mar 2017 #239
No clue about what to do democrank Mar 2017 #62
Kim Jong Loon vs Trumpster Calculating Mar 2017 #74
don't want our punk/thug dictator doing anything - especially without our allies. spanone Mar 2017 #76
I think it will happen eventually Bradical79 Mar 2017 #84
Not Yet citood Mar 2017 #89
I think a lot of DUers agree with you Renew Deal Mar 2017 #94
Iminent ? ...No Rustyeye77 Mar 2017 #116
"imminent" I've learned a long time ago that anything dealing with time is a matter of perspective NWCorona Mar 2017 #120
Do you think that NK would pull the trigger on a war? Renew Deal Mar 2017 #123
I dont know...but I'm not willing to gamble on that. Rustyeye77 Mar 2017 #128
Some won't admit it now, but they made the mistake of thinking Bush's middle east war was neccessary Demsrule86 Mar 2017 #240
It's complicated Renew Deal Mar 2017 #243
How many South Korean casualties are you willing to accept? workinclasszero Mar 2017 #97
Well it might come to that Calculating Mar 2017 #104
Hitler didn't have nuclear ICBM's or nerve agents either. workinclasszero Mar 2017 #110
Ok so what happens when Calculating Mar 2017 #136
If we or our allies are attacked then we defend ourselves or them workinclasszero Mar 2017 #204
What nations has North Korea invaded? DemocratSinceBirth Mar 2017 #119
We could at least wait until we have a sane CIC. Crunchy Frog Mar 2017 #197
Agree 1000%! workinclasszero Mar 2017 #205
What?? They launched this today? PearliePoo2 Mar 2017 #106
No this was tested about a year ago I guess workinclasszero Mar 2017 #115
So you want to start a war with Russia too? sharedvalues Mar 2017 #107
So your solution is ? Rustyeye77 Mar 2017 #124
False dichotomy. My solution is: have a real state dept, Secy of State, and President sharedvalues Mar 2017 #159
I don't actually think Putin gives a shit about North Korea. Warren DeMontague Mar 2017 #216
His missles can already reach Washington state. Doreen Mar 2017 #112
I'm fine with that lies Mar 2017 #114
I believe that was a great policy ... before the advent of nuclear weapons. Rustyeye77 Mar 2017 #133
Germany never attacked the US in either WW1 or WW2. oneshooter Mar 2017 #244
Cmon lies Mar 2017 #245
Lets hear it. I am willing to listen. n/t oneshooter Mar 2017 #248
Ok lies Mar 2017 #249
Listen very closely to what I am typing. oneshooter Mar 2017 #250
Which is a ridiculous basis for anything lies Mar 2017 #252
Then by all means tazkcmo Mar 2017 #127
I'd rather put the money... stillcool Mar 2017 #130
So give me your allowable edhopper Mar 2017 #131
No deaths are "acceptable". Rustyeye77 Mar 2017 #138
So you are advocating a first strike edhopper Mar 2017 #142
It will 100 x worse if he gets weaponized nukes. Rustyeye77 Mar 2017 #152
what makes you think edhopper Mar 2017 #162
The point that was made to you that you don't get. Blue_true Mar 2017 #171
CHINA, CHINA, CHINA Cosmocat Mar 2017 #132
Would've been nice to have someone with international experience steering the ship Calculating Mar 2017 #139
E-MAILS, BENGHAIZI, MAKE AMERICA GREAT AGAIN Cosmocat Mar 2017 #143
Patience can be a virtue re China and N Korea delisen Mar 2017 #140
Actually in spite of the bluster - of both Trump and Tillerson -- it looks like they will do karynnj Mar 2017 #145
Just one question . . . ChicagoRonin Mar 2017 #147
All true Rustyeye77 Mar 2017 #149
Look, North Korea has had the capacity to destroy Seoul Blue_true Mar 2017 #172
Diplomacy matt819 Mar 2017 #155
Countries like NK want nukes to protect themselves from us, the only country to have used nukes. Hoyt Mar 2017 #157
We should negotiate one on one with NK. No one has tried that. Blue_true Mar 2017 #173
I agree. I once calculated that we could have paid every Iraqi more than their per capita income Hoyt Mar 2017 #183
You do understand Warren DeMontague Mar 2017 #217
I understand that there are countries who have not advanced as we did from Hoyt Mar 2017 #218
I'm not "warmongering". Warren DeMontague Mar 2017 #220
Read Howard Zinn's description of how slaves lived. NK is better than that, Hoyt Mar 2017 #223
I've read Howard Zinn, thanks. Warren DeMontague Mar 2017 #226
So, what is gained by thrashing NK except to give the GOPers more support to bomb them. You think Hoyt Mar 2017 #227
What's "gained"? Speaking the truth, is what's gained. Saying that this is not okay. Warren DeMontague Mar 2017 #229
+Infinity - nt KingCharlemagne Mar 2017 #190
North Korea is a totalitarian shithole where families of dissidents are put in concentration camps Warren DeMontague Mar 2017 #209
Sounds about like us at times. America First and bomb/nuke em is foolish too. Hoyt Mar 2017 #211
Go on, Keep digging. Warren DeMontague Mar 2017 #212
I agree with you JesterCS Mar 2017 #160
North Korea has viewed us as a threat since the Korean War Blue_true Mar 2017 #174
Wouldn't work Calculating Mar 2017 #175
There is a much simpler and infinitely less dangerous option to try first: Direct diplomacy. stevenleser Mar 2017 #170
I guess those 8 international agreements we made don't count. Rustyeye77 Mar 2017 #189
Is your post a reply to mine? nt stevenleser Mar 2017 #201
Yes Rustyeye77 Mar 2017 #213
No, we haven't. Being part of a multiparty effort isn't the same as 1 on 1 negotiations. stevenleser Mar 2017 #219
I'm very patient. Rustyeye77 Mar 2017 #221
Publicly approach South Korea and Japan with the possibility of nuking up themselves. Trust Buster Mar 2017 #181
My wife's parents are in Seoul. You threaten them with this propaganda. yodermon Mar 2017 #182
This message was self-deleted by its author roamer65 Mar 2017 #191
You going to enlist, bucko? Or is this more a "Let's you and KingCharlemagne Mar 2017 #185
Breaking the ceasefire would be the start of World War 3. roamer65 Mar 2017 #193
Maybe. Rustyeye77 Mar 2017 #228
Look, I agree that NK has liberalhistorian Mar 2017 #194
I have this discussion frequently with an Asian woman I'm seeing. Here are some things we've said: NBachers Mar 2017 #200
What if they nuke Seoul or Tokyo in retaliation ? DemocratSinceBirth Mar 2017 #202
This message was self-deleted by its author GP6971 Mar 2017 #203
One of the precious few benefits of this catastrophic "presidency" would be if it went after China Azathoth Mar 2017 #206
Calling Jimmy Carter! Rhiannon12866 Mar 2017 #207
One of our best Presidents because of his humility Cooley Hurd Apr 2017 #253
His priorities were human rights, telling the truth and keeping the peace Rhiannon12866 Apr 2017 #254
I'm not going to flame. I will only say that North Korea is a textbook example of why you want Warren DeMontague Mar 2017 #210
If MacArthur had listened to Truman instead of his own ego Warren DeMontague Mar 2017 #214
The simple truth is that there is no easy solution. Kentonio Mar 2017 #215
We're also screwed if NK gets ICBMs capable of hitting mainland US Calculating Mar 2017 #222
This doesn't change the truth of what I said though. Kentonio Mar 2017 #231
We should bomb them now and thereby starve their impoverished citizens Orrex Mar 2017 #246
My bet is that the Chinese are watching this a LOT more closely than they're letting on DFW Mar 2017 #232
It's quite clear that you're not all that familiar with N/S Korea politics MrScorpio Mar 2017 #234
I'm unlikely to get on board with any surgical-strike sales pitch for yet another war. Orsino Mar 2017 #235
I agree completely. Demsrule86 Mar 2017 #241
It's easy to forget that only one nation has ever dropped atomic bombs, isn't it? On civilians, too. WinkyDink Mar 2017 #247
Problem is SJMULE Mar 2017 #251
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