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Warren DeMontague

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349. You're not going to get it, because I'm right.

Fri Dec 30, 2011, 02:05 AM

Dec 2011

Your goofy "I know what I know, namely that pornification and sexualization of the breast is interfering with breastfeeding" point is indicative of EXACTLY what I'm objecting to in the larger op- namely, trying to pass off opinion ---based on nothing more than a personal axe to grind--- as science and quantifiable fact pertaining to reality, irrespective of not just a total lack of data backing the point up, but even a large amount of data directly CONTRADICTING it.

Your point was totally fucking goofy, and it's clearly contraindicated by the facts- the so-called pornification you decry has come at the same time as an increase in breastfeeding. To argue that, somehow, all this breastfeeding is taking place indoors because pornification has made it MORE difficult for women to breastfeed outside... I mean, come on... to say you're grasping at straws is to be generous.

I can see why you'd want to change the subject, because your goofy assertion is being flatly refuted- but let me state again that there is NO evidence of decreased tolerance for breastfeeding, public or otherwise, breastfeeding rates are up, and if porn and sexy Rolling Stone covers have somehow interfered with ANYONE breastfeeding anywhere, it is NOT indicated in any available statistical analysis.

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LUV capitalism!!! Study shows hyper-sexualization of women by the media has increased 10 fold... [View all] Sarah Ibarruri Dec 2011 OP

Painful and important. Brickbat Dec 2011 #1

Quite. It was no surprise to me. One would have to be an idiot to not notice... Sarah Ibarruri Dec 2011 #13

Why? No, seriously. Why? Warren DeMontague Dec 2011 #165

It's sad that some liberals don't believe in pure science research. Bucky Dec 2011 #194

Phony statistical quantifications of bs terms like "hypersexualization" AREN'T 'science' at all. Warren DeMontague Dec 2011 #211

Wow.. sendero Dec 2011 #254

Did you read the study? Hissyspit Dec 2011 #266

You mean the one they're charging 35 bucks to read? Warren DeMontague Dec 2011 #294

As a sociologist, I'm a little astounded by your claims. antigone382 Dec 2011 #332

thank you getdown Dec 2011 #338

"As it turns out...." Um, I'm not a puppet on the end of your wrist. Warren DeMontague Dec 2011 #347

I'm not condemning the whole field. As I said downthread, I think sociology is a useful lens through Warren DeMontague Dec 2011 #346

Speaking of astounding claims: Warren DeMontague Dec 2011 #369

word games getdown Dec 2011 #374

It's striking because they made up the criteria and then -surprise- found a 'striking' increse in it Warren DeMontague Dec 2011 #380

you claim it's "fucking idiotic" getdown Dec 2011 #385

I already found out Warren DeMontague Dec 2011 #399

The Kardashians also did their part Kingofalldems Dec 2011 #2

The Kardashians ARE part of the media. We wouldn't even know who they are without the media. Sarah Ibarruri Dec 2011 #6

Media is selling sexuality as a commodity. lapislzi Dec 2011 #17

I have only one quibble with your post whathehell Dec 2011 #132

i think the social environment has change. significantly in last decade. seabeyond Dec 2011 #134

I know what you are saying....To a certain extent, whathehell Dec 2011 #139

there is a better way. we had it for a little while until we went to pornification and girls/women seabeyond Dec 2011 #142

*** Warren DeMontague Dec 2011 #163

i get it. you are part of the asshole group. and you wear it with pride. i hear ya..... seabeyond Dec 2011 #167

Either that, or you're mad Warren DeMontague Dec 2011 #168

wha???? lol. ah ha. nt seabeyond Dec 2011 #176

It's never been the same since the indigo children bombed the moon Warren DeMontague Dec 2011 #182

Don't be mean to the man. Everything on earth exists for a reason. Sarah Ibarruri Dec 2011 #184

hey... i am not being mean. it is a hoot. they brag, they say seabeyond Dec 2011 #189

For the record, I didn't think "you" were being mean. Warren DeMontague Dec 2011 #192

i dont know why you put you in quotes, but, i am glad you did not think i was being mean. nt seabeyond Dec 2011 #198

If I posted Denis Leary's "I'm an asshole" in the "assholes check in thread" Warren DeMontague Dec 2011 #201

no... not with naked women, but you sure do flappy armed if women seabeyond Dec 2011 #204

challenge away, I say Warren DeMontague Dec 2011 #205

i dont give a shit what you buy. it is really not about rolling stone. but no surprise seabeyond Dec 2011 #206

Wait. What about the Rolling Stones? Warren DeMontague Dec 2011 #208

hey, i am sorry you can't get no... satisfaction. hey hey hey..... i know you have tried and tried seabeyond Dec 2011 #215

Yes, because I'm Mick Jagger. Warren DeMontague Dec 2011 #216

hey, i thought you were telling me sumthin. lol. bah hahaha. nt seabeyond Dec 2011 #217

each one of my words is a multi-faceted font of wisdom pearls which operates on multiple levels Warren DeMontague Dec 2011 #219

can't get no.... seabeyond Dec 2011 #221

Just ignore him. whathehell Dec 2011 #232

*** Warren DeMontague Dec 2011 #243

Of course he does....Typical. n/t whathehell Dec 2011 #227

He should embrace it! You're doing him a favor. nt Sarah Ibarruri Dec 2011 #195

see. glass half full. accepting them for who they claim to be. seabeyond Dec 2011 #197

One of me is plenty, thanks. Warren DeMontague Dec 2011 #199

Ignore. Ignore. Ignore PhoenixAbove Dec 2011 #256

there it is PhoenixAbove getdown Dec 2011 #335

Amazing how many people seem to have signed up for the sole purpose Warren DeMontague Dec 2011 #348

you are getdown Dec 2011 #357

Maybe I just don't have enough selves. Warren DeMontague Dec 2011 #362

La La La Warren DeMontague Dec 2011 #368

ah, yes, the good old days of prudery. Warren DeMontague Dec 2011 #164

I'm not for prudery or "sticky" and I think you know that...Good try, though n/t whathehell Dec 2011 #186

"You" think "old fashioned prudery" was a "good thing" Warren DeMontague Dec 2011 #193

Read the post again...This time with your "thinking cap" on, lol. whathehell Dec 2011 #210

So you said it, but you qualified it. Warren DeMontague Dec 2011 #213

And? whathehell Dec 2011 #223

More like got y'all Warren DeMontague Dec 2011 #242

Funny.. whathehell Dec 2011 #264

perhaps you should take a poll Warren DeMontague Dec 2011 #311

even when they were property? getdown Dec 2011 #229

No more or less than African American slaves. whathehell Dec 2011 #231

you think getdown Dec 2011 #234

Um...No....The original statement went to what they "were" whathehell Dec 2011 #239

you may quibble getdown Dec 2011 #276

Getdown, whathehell Dec 2011 #355

got it getdown Dec 2011 #358

Thanks, and whathehell Dec 2011 #367

had a feeling getdown Dec 2011 #370

Wow. whathehell Dec 2011 #378

well getdown Dec 2011 #379

Did you see this? It's AMAZING! Warren DeMontague Dec 2011 #381

don't play that getdown Dec 2011 #388

I'm sure it's way easier if you're fielding a whole shitload of paddles. Warren DeMontague Dec 2011 #396

heh heh whathehell Dec 2011 #384

I blame OJ. Warren DeMontague Dec 2011 #166

Yeah, but I would question what they use as the definition of 'sexualized'. randome Dec 2011 #3

Here's where you will find those answers - the actual study Sarah Ibarruri Dec 2011 #12

Paywall. boppers Dec 2011 #230

Sarah JustAnotherGen Dec 2011 #4

May an article post be posted twice? nt Sarah Ibarruri Dec 2011 #8

I dunno JustAnotherGen Dec 2011 #11

Luvin' is good lol Sarah Ibarruri Dec 2011 #14

I concluded JustAnotherGen Dec 2011 #70

Seems to me like you need to either write a book on this or teach a class Sarah Ibarruri Dec 2011 #74

I write JustAnotherGen Dec 2011 #95

Yes, I think so. People cross-post articles a lot. MineralMan Dec 2011 #36

Thanks, Mineral Man! nt Sarah Ibarruri Dec 2011 #37

Yes you may post twice. I'm GLAD you posted in GD, actually BlancheSplanchnik Dec 2011 #88

Draining and infuriating. I get pissed off when I see women pornified in magazines, TV and movies Sarah Ibarruri Dec 2011 #136

I have the same kind of reaction BlancheSplanchnik Dec 2011 #141

Is Rolling Stone now a adequate scientific proxy for "the media" or "capitalism"? cthulu2016 Dec 2011 #5

Here - read the study Sarah Ibarruri Dec 2011 #9

The methodological fine points are irrelevant to this particular objection cthulu2016 Dec 2011 #18

I agree. Gormy Cuss Dec 2011 #50

Having trouble with this lapislzi Dec 2011 #7

I'm going to help you... Sarah Ibarruri Dec 2011 #10

don't forget JustAnotherGen Dec 2011 #15

not only empowering, but an excitement and titillation at seeing 2 hour and 45 minute of violence seabeyond Dec 2011 #21

I'm embarrassed at my ignorance but I don't know what The Girl with the Dragon Tattoo is about... Sarah Ibarruri Dec 2011 #26

why give them the money empowering hollywood to use explicit graphic drawn out rape of women as seabeyond Dec 2011 #30

I seldom watch American movies because they lend themselves to the degradation of women... Sarah Ibarruri Dec 2011 #51

Yes. European movies such as the "Irreversible" or "Tie Me Up, Tie Me Down" show rape the right way Snake Alchemist Dec 2011 #102

You assume I watch everything. However, Hollywood's plastic, surgically-altered idiotic female Sarah Ibarruri Dec 2011 #107

That Erin Brokovitch was a real hussy. n/t. Snake Alchemist Dec 2011 #130

American independent movies?....Not so much. whathehell Dec 2011 #121

Indy movies are wonderful! And they use actors that are not the typical Barbie-cookie-cutter Sarah Ibarruri Dec 2011 #123

Yes, exactly... whathehell Dec 2011 #188

British stuff is wonderful. Love Britcoms. nt Sarah Ibarruri Dec 2011 #196

No, no sex in Britain, that's for sure. Warren DeMontague Dec 2011 #209

I love the dramas....Spooks, Waking the Dead, etc. whathehell Dec 2011 #214

What is a multi-directional DVD player? I've got to have one if it can get all Sarah Ibarruri Dec 2011 #218

Oh, yes!...Glad to help out..A mult-directional DVD player will play DVDs whathehell Dec 2011 #224

That's going to be my own personal Xmas gift to myself... Sarah Ibarruri Dec 2011 #260

Good for you!....Enjoy. n/t whathehell Dec 2011 #263

Yes, it is a saga-3 books. ceile Dec 2011 #153

Yes, Hollywood does ruin things. I recently took my niece - she's 11 - to see Breaking Dawn, the Sarah Ibarruri Dec 2011 #155

Is that the one where the girl Control-Z Dec 2011 #222

Vulgar, and not at all like the book. I'm not saying the book was a classic... Sarah Ibarruri Dec 2011 #262

Are you aware that there is a charge for that article? JHB Dec 2011 #99

It's not an article. It's the complete, published study, if you desire to examine it. nt Sarah Ibarruri Dec 2011 #117

It is a research journal article... JHB Dec 2011 #140

This message was self-deleted by its author Warren DeMontague Dec 2011 #251

That pricing is not unusual for academic journals JHB Dec 2011 #267

So someone who has defined "sexualization" and "objectification"- two totally subjective, bs terms- Warren DeMontague Dec 2011 #158

you would not be confused by getdown Dec 2011 #233

" We keep churning out degrees in crap like "sociology" when we should be teaching students math" Hissyspit Dec 2011 #235

Yeah, the right wing just LOVES science. Warren DeMontague Dec 2011 #240

Utter nonsense. You prove my point. Hissyspit Dec 2011 #252

yup getdown Dec 2011 #279

froth away getdown Dec 2011 #278

"pornified."says it all. this is what we do to our women and girls today. and IF seabeyond Dec 2011 #16

Yeah, don't you love it? Automatically 2 or 3 guys that love the pornification of women cry and Sarah Ibarruri Dec 2011 #20

yup. AND seabeyond Dec 2011 #24

Yup! Sarah Ibarruri Dec 2011 #53

i dont much indulge in grudges, either. seabeyond Dec 2011 #56

Absolutely. nt Sarah Ibarruri Dec 2011 #67

You know, Sarah, Zorra Dec 2011 #238

Sometimes it sure seems that way. Sarah Ibarruri Dec 2011 #259

I totally understand. Zorra Dec 2011 #281

I never thought about it, that homophobia and sexism could go hand in hand. I suppose the same Sarah Ibarruri Dec 2011 #282

and I think the people who get all angry over depictions of hetero sex are bugged by gay sex too. Warren DeMontague Dec 2011 #302

two words riverwalker Dec 2011 #19

Toddlers and tiaras takes the pornification to women all the way to the level of little girls - sick Sarah Ibarruri Dec 2011 #22

Yeah, that's a pretty sick show (nt) The Straight Story Dec 2011 #28

K&R. PeaceNikki Dec 2011 #23

with ya.... sistaaaah. i won't shut up, if you dont. lol seabeyond Dec 2011 #27

No, I will not shut up. PeaceNikki Dec 2011 #33

damn that is good. i was listening to a poster saying women leave the house to be looked at. seabeyond Dec 2011 #44

These would probably be the same people who think women BREATHE for them. n/t whathehell Dec 2011 #125

PeaceNikki, I'm with you too. You're right. This bullshit needs to be stopped. Sarah Ibarruri Dec 2011 #46

Well, two things. It is Rolling stone and women have more sexual parts than men The Straight Story Dec 2011 #25

Okay now... Sarah Ibarruri Dec 2011 #32

Men's Journal wryter2000 Dec 2011 #78

In many ways, capitalism has made women's magazines even more nefarious since they are propaganda Sarah Ibarruri Dec 2011 #79

You are so right about women's magazines wryter2000 Dec 2011 #81

?? You puzzle me. lapislzi Dec 2011 #34

I didn't write the study about what is/is not sexual The Straight Story Dec 2011 #43

That was my whole problem with the fragment of the article lapislzi Dec 2011 #47

I'm going to post about that. :) Are women who run around half naked, surgically-altered, and Sarah Ibarruri Dec 2011 #115

Bullshit.....Sarah I. is correct....Rolling Stone is about MUSIC, it's not a "men's magazine". n/t whathehell Dec 2011 #126

is this a surprise? maggiesfarmer Dec 2011 #29

Oops! You didn't read the post or the article.... Sarah Ibarruri Dec 2011 #35

correct, you have to follow the rest of my points as well maggiesfarmer Dec 2011 #59

1 study in the 80's with questionairre proved that out hence, it becomes fact. NOT reality. seabeyond Dec 2011 #38

Despite my problems with the article, Sarah has the right of it. lapislzi Dec 2011 #31

Thanks, lapislzi. Capitalism is the culprit here. It sells everything, people's lives, people's Sarah Ibarruri Dec 2011 #40

Always enjoy your posts, Sarah lapislzi Dec 2011 #48

Wait a moment. I can't let this one stand. Shandris Dec 2011 #87

I actually qualify downthread lapislzi Dec 2011 #103

Okay, yah, now it makes much more sense. Shandris Dec 2011 #173

That's really informative. Delphinus Dec 2011 #110

A race to the bottom, in all it's obscene glory. bemildred Dec 2011 #39

It's always the bottom line, and increasing profits till they blow up into the stratosphere. nt Sarah Ibarruri Dec 2011 #42

I know! Rolling Stone used to be such a family-oriented magazine. Warren DeMontague Dec 2011 #171

LOL. bemildred Dec 2011 #271

Thank you for the article Sarah. MuseRider Dec 2011 #41

Thanks, MuseRider. It might not make a huge difference now, but if all of us start to mention this Sarah Ibarruri Dec 2011 #45

My experience with this MuseRider Dec 2011 #58

i couldnt agree more with the whole of your post. absolutely. nt seabeyond Dec 2011 #61

Muse, I get very frustrated too. It's hard to discuss something that is so pervasive, and be told Sarah Ibarruri Dec 2011 #62

my husband said the same to me. nt seabeyond Dec 2011 #66

No you are not wrong. MuseRider Dec 2011 #72

Rolling Stones Cover Descent Started In the Early 1990s NashVegas Dec 2011 #49

Rolling Stone was used in this study, but honestly, they could've taken any magazine at all... Sarah Ibarruri Dec 2011 #52

"even" womens' magazines or "especially" womens' magazines... NYC_SKP Dec 2011 #60

Oh yes. Myriad articles telling women "how to give him better orgasms" and "how to look like a Ho" Sarah Ibarruri Dec 2011 #63

Women's mags (Cosmo, etc.) discuss female orgasm lapislzi Dec 2011 #68

The woman as workhorse, robot, and mannequin. nt Sarah Ibarruri Dec 2011 #77

I wonder if that indeed is a cause or an effect of Madison Avenue's branding LanternWaste Dec 2011 #54

The female body was branded centuries ago lapislzi Dec 2011 #64

That's exactly it, and capitalism is raking in the dough now by degrading women. On the other hand Sarah Ibarruri Dec 2011 #69

Now, HERE'S a cart-and-horse question: lapislzi Dec 2011 #85

Hmm... good question! I think what's going on right now is unbridled capitalism Sarah Ibarruri Dec 2011 #90

i think another part of the equation is in the 70's and 80's seabeyond Dec 2011 #93

well said (nt) Tumbulu Dec 2011 #246

yep, objectification of the attractive female form is embedded deeply. Madison Avenue is made up BlancheSplanchnik Dec 2011 #97

Yes, absolutely, to the suggestion that women are pushed to triumph only via their looks Sarah Ibarruri Dec 2011 #147

agree!!! (nt) Tumbulu Dec 2011 #247

The elder branding does not deny the new branding... : LanternWaste Dec 2011 #116

It makes money. If you put a naked woman in front of a man, he'll spend money on it... Sarah Ibarruri Dec 2011 #65

it is pretty damn degrading to men, too. most just do not get the insult. nt seabeyond Dec 2011 #73

It is. As long as men have sperm, they will be creating daughters, and it'd be good if they were Sarah Ibarruri Dec 2011 #75

but what it does to men is take them away from their authentic self and creates a caricature seabeyond Dec 2011 #76

That's true too. It draws them as a mindless penis. Men are beautiful souls and capitalism gives Sarah Ibarruri Dec 2011 #82

agreed. nt seabeyond Dec 2011 #83

Sorry, "Mindless Penis" is my band name, and I have trademarked its usage. Warren DeMontague Dec 2011 #203

oxymoron getdown Dec 2011 #237

Redundant Oxymoron is my OTHER band name. Warren DeMontague Dec 2011 #241

Ha ha ha. Major Hogwash Dec 2011 #275

rilly? getdown Dec 2011 #277

rilly trooly. Warren DeMontague Dec 2011 #295

for what reasons getdown Dec 2011 #298

I'm not derailing anything. I'm objecting to the quantification of so-called "hyper-sexualization" Warren DeMontague Dec 2011 #299

no one claimed that getdown Dec 2011 #303

Oh, and I work for Rolling Stone, and I'm terrifed that objections from a few DU members Warren DeMontague Dec 2011 #300

are you interested getdown Dec 2011 #304

"effects" like "I am harmed by the presence of a semi-naked human on a magazine cover"? Warren DeMontague Dec 2011 #307

it's an honest question getdown Dec 2011 #310

and can you consider that this is yet another exercise in 'Merkin moral panic Warren DeMontague Dec 2011 #312

moral? getdown Dec 2011 #318

right. And that 'research' is even more bullshit than this is. Warren DeMontague Dec 2011 #322

congratulations getdown Dec 2011 #324

how about you post a link to the 'science' showing 'harm' from erotic images Warren DeMontague Dec 2011 #327

do you ever consider what it's like for someone beside yourself? getdown Dec 2011 #333

No, that's a link to another post by you. Warren DeMontague Dec 2011 #345

he is afraid you may want to take his porn away seabeyond Dec 2011 #313

this seems to be his porn getdown Dec 2011 #316

look, we get that pictures of nudity and sex make you mad Warren DeMontague Dec 2011 #323

look, we that the topic of gender inequality make you mad getdown Dec 2011 #325

you mean like arguing that 'pornification' makes breastfeeding less acceptable Warren DeMontague Dec 2011 #326

that would be lying on your part. you leave out the issue of that thread. PUBLIC seabeyond Dec 2011 #328

and where's the data showing less PUBLIC breastfeeding? Warren DeMontague Dec 2011 #329

where is your acknowledgment of you post misrepresenting what i posted nt seabeyond Dec 2011 #331

You're not going to get it, because I'm right. Warren DeMontague Dec 2011 #349

passing that off as a quote of mine? you quote it, put it in italics? that is beyond what i expect seabeyond Dec 2011 #350

no, that's a paraphrase. Warren DeMontague Dec 2011 #351

quotes and italics is a paraphrase to you? and it was not a parahrase. it was made up and wrong seabeyond Dec 2011 #352

aint that the pots calling the kettle black. Warren DeMontague Dec 2011 #353

ya. right. nt seabeyond Dec 2011 #354

ah, another dip of the toe? getdown Dec 2011 #330

it could, but there's no evidence it does. Because we are complex creatures who can walk & chew gum. Warren DeMontague Dec 2011 #344

funny. every time you see a "giant goofy balloon" getdown Dec 2011 #356

what can I say Warren DeMontague Dec 2011 #361

no evidence. really. getdown Dec 2011 #359

No, that's something you wrote. Warren DeMontague Dec 2011 #360

you can find getdown Dec 2011 #363

Ah, the old "go find it yourself". Bullshit. The "studies" are bogus "science" which is then used to Warren DeMontague Dec 2011 #364

you don't seem really interested getdown Dec 2011 #365

I'm very interested. Warren DeMontague Dec 2011 #366

um getdown Dec 2011 #371

Right. Again, another case of "I know what I know, because I know it"... except that's not science. Warren DeMontague Dec 2011 #372

i'm sorry getdown Dec 2011 #373

The onus is on you to back up the claim. You can't. Warren DeMontague Dec 2011 #382

total getdown Dec 2011 #386

exactly. Warren DeMontague Dec 2011 #397

Agree strongly. Delphinus Dec 2011 #111

Mexican TV channels were way ahead of the curve on this slackmaster Dec 2011 #55

it is also way ahead of the curve in a patriarchal misogynist society. so? nt seabeyond Dec 2011 #57

Mexico is what I view as a perfect capitalistic society - anything goes - mass poverty, mega-wealthy Sarah Ibarruri Dec 2011 #71

Yup, and the honest businessmen put more food for the birds chrisa Dec 2011 #80

Exactly. nt Sarah Ibarruri Dec 2011 #84

I stopped buying Rolling Stone YEARS ago, because of their brazen imbalance BlancheSplanchnik Dec 2011 #86

Let me ask you a question. Have you noticed an increase in shows about women tortured to death? Sarah Ibarruri Dec 2011 #98

We could start a whole new discussion thread about the link between porn and violence* lapislzi Dec 2011 #106

Yes! It would get crazy. the same 3 or 4 guys would be all nervous and jittery, proclaiming we are Sarah Ibarruri Dec 2011 #135

Well when you say things like Occulus Dec 2011 #341

sort of like how people would freak out over a thread saying abortion=breast cancer Warren DeMontague Dec 2011 #170

Breastfeeding=less breast cancer marzipanni Dec 2011 #305

as the race driver said... nasty. think when a woman sticks tits out for him, he is saying nasty? seabeyond Dec 2011 #306

funny, I'm in favor of breastfeeding AND I'm not mad about sex in magazines Warren DeMontague Dec 2011 #309

funny, ... then i am not addressing you, am i? nt seabeyond Dec 2011 #315

guess not, huh. Warren DeMontague Dec 2011 #317

Come back when getdown Dec 2011 #376

wait... Phish are coming back? Warren DeMontague Dec 2011 #383

nice try getdown Dec 2011 #387

hubby and i went thru this thread this morning. got a chuckle at some of it. seabeyond Dec 2011 #391

yes getdown Dec 2011 #392

This message was self-deleted by its author Warren DeMontague Dec 2011 #400

as a matter of fact,this morning i asked if he wanted to check out du. there are forums he would seabeyond Dec 2011 #401

This message was self-deleted by its author Warren DeMontague Dec 2011 #402

hm... well, if you ever got out of the sex threads, you would hear plenty over the years seabeyond Dec 2011 #403

This message was self-deleted by its author Warren DeMontague Dec 2011 #398

did the study suggest they never sexualize men? i think not. i believe your argument is a strawman seabeyond Dec 2011 #404

This message was self-deleted by its author Warren DeMontague Dec 2011 #405

you go getdown Dec 2011 #408

This message was self-deleted by its author Warren DeMontague Dec 2011 #409

"many of the reasons for not breastfeeding are linked to the sexualization of breasts" - um, ok Warren DeMontague Dec 2011 #308

yes, I have. BlancheSplanchnik Dec 2011 #108

Marginalization and contempt toward anything female is a good way to put it. Sarah Ibarruri Dec 2011 #122

thanks for all your excellent replies here! BlancheSplanchnik Dec 2011 #143

Same to you! I think you must be an instructor on the topic, or a writer! nt Sarah Ibarruri Dec 2011 #145

Awww, thanks! BlancheSplanchnik Dec 2011 #283

Sign language interpreters rock. I attended a wedding with a sign language interpreter. Sarah Ibarruri Dec 2011 #284

Wow wow wow!! I AM in Roch! BlancheSplanchnik Dec 2011 #285

OH MY GOD. NO WAY. Sarah Ibarruri Dec 2011 #286

YES WAY!! That would be Father Ray! BlancheSplanchnik Dec 2011 #289

Father Ray is a sweetiepie! Everyone feels good around him. Sarah Ibarruri Dec 2011 #290

Blanche, please explain and cite your source maggiesfarmer Dec 2011 #112

Here are just a few of many. Also note one that *directly* corrects your impression: BlancheSplanchnik Dec 2011 #138

thanks for taking the time to reply maggiesfarmer Dec 2011 #159

The more people complain the more it'll happen. Quartermass Dec 2011 #89

really? so we should just shut up? how has that been working for us? oh wait seabeyond Dec 2011 #91

Please explain nt Sarah Ibarruri Dec 2011 #92

In the entertainment world, there is no such thing as bad publicity. Quartermass Dec 2011 #105

You're right that it's said better bad publicity than none at all, HOWEVER, it is possible to label Sarah Ibarruri Dec 2011 #114

separate themselves from the oppressed group and be accepted as part of the positive majority seabeyond Dec 2011 #120

That explains Bobble Head Women perfectly. They want to side with what they interpret as 'victors' Sarah Ibarruri Dec 2011 #128

If you adore men, well, I know some feminists who would negatively criticize you for that. Quartermass Dec 2011 #129

and i do not know a single feminist that would have an issue with adoring men. especially as many seabeyond Dec 2011 #131

Nothing more wonderful than a male body, is there? If there is, I don't know it! Sarah Ibarruri Dec 2011 #133

You should read Valeri Solanas's Scum Manifesto. That's the kind of thing I've often encountered. Quartermass Dec 2011 #137

Okay, I went there... Sarah Ibarruri Dec 2011 #144

You should really read through the whole thing. Quartermass Dec 2011 #152

Well, you gotta admit... Sarah Ibarruri Dec 2011 #154

You are aware that pretty much nobody takes Valerie Solanas, a mentally ill woman, seriously REP Dec 2011 #225

You'd be surprised. Quartermass Dec 2011 #226

Yeah, and I knew this guy once who couldn't trust anything that bled every month and didn't die REP Dec 2011 #228

But is it really capitalism? Or simply culture? randome Dec 2011 #94

There's a culture thing, yes, but capitalism just drives it in, seals it, makes it solid. The media Sarah Ibarruri Dec 2011 #104

heh heh heh Warren DeMontague Dec 2011 #169

India and China are both far larger, very diverse, as well. closeupready Dec 2011 #109

Eh. India, for all its different religious viewpoints, is still a very religious country. randome Dec 2011 #127

A fairly strong majority of its readers are men…. NCTraveler Dec 2011 #96

X( Fire Walk With Me Dec 2011 #100

Hmm... :) nt Sarah Ibarruri Dec 2011 #101

I believe that we are not falling into negativity, in general, Fire Walk With Me Dec 2011 #148

That's definitely what I'm striving for! nt Sarah Ibarruri Dec 2011 #149

interesting perspective. seabeyond Dec 2011 #150

Anything more specific would be off-topic, but I hope the Trend will quickly become visible. Fire Walk With Me Dec 2011 #175

You are making claims that are not reportedly in the journal article... Taitertots Dec 2011 #113

We're a dysfunctional society when it comes to sex and relationships. dawg Dec 2011 #118

Scary to me too, and it is dysfunctional. Thank you for pointing that out. nt Sarah Ibarruri Dec 2011 #119

you got it right on. the issue here, is one gender may feel they have a oneupmanship seabeyond Dec 2011 #124

K&R Soylent Brice Dec 2011 #146

ROLLING STONE covers?!?! Eliminator Dec 2011 #151

Do you wear cleavage around your groin when you go out, so women can feast themselves on peeking Sarah Ibarruri Dec 2011 #157

My wife & I saw quite possibly the longest penis shot I've ever seen in a motion picture last night Warren DeMontague Dec 2011 #161

Whoever heard of SEX in ROCK AND ROLL??!?!?! What's next???? Warren DeMontague Dec 2011 #162

I love the Wiggles. Too bad my kids have kind of outgrown it. Jennicut Dec 2011 #183

After I saw Bill O'Reilly do a guest appearance on their show Warren DeMontague Dec 2011 #190

ZOMG! Think of the Children! Warren DeMontague Dec 2011 #156

I'll say it again: This is why we're getting our ass kicked by China and India. We churn out degrees Warren DeMontague Dec 2011 #160

I resent that sociology remark... Modern_Matthew Dec 2011 #187

I took soc classes in college, too. Warren DeMontague Dec 2011 #191

Economic demand for engineers is finite, just like the demand for everything else Hippo_Tron Dec 2011 #406

And what is the demand for studies quantifying "hyper-sexualization" in Rolling Stone covers? Warren DeMontague Dec 2011 #407

As I already said, there's little demand for that Hippo_Tron Dec 2011 #410

I agree wholeheartedly with your last sentence, and think that's absolutely what we should do. Warren DeMontague Dec 2011 #411

Again, there aren't a lot of jobs with 17th century French Poetry as a pre-requisite Hippo_Tron Dec 2011 #412

I'm also totally in favor of learning for the sake of learning. Warren DeMontague Dec 2011 #413

I should be able to access this article at my university. aikoaiko Dec 2011 #172

Thank you! nt Sarah Ibarruri Dec 2011 #181

I love this thread lapislzi Dec 2011 #174

well, except maybe the posts of beavis and butthead. i am assuming that is who a poster seabeyond Dec 2011 #177

LOL, for the amount of replies lapislzi Dec 2011 #178

ahhh seabeyond Dec 2011 #180

They do this shit to toddlers even Burma Jones Dec 2011 #179

Let's all be fuddy duddies. nt Modern_Matthew Dec 2011 #185

That's nothing. In Russia it went from zero to US levels in 20 years of Fool Count Dec 2011 #200

yes. and they have quite a nationwide scam for young hot chicks and really stupid seabeyond Dec 2011 #207

So, dawg Dec 2011 #212

Nice. Isn't capitalism just lovely. nt Sarah Ibarruri Dec 2011 #220

I think the word "hypersexualized" was made up expressly for the purpose of this one "study" Warren DeMontague Dec 2011 #202

Capitalism causing erectile dysfunction? Under Dog Dec 2011 #236

I'll check them out. :) Sarah Ibarruri Dec 2011 #258

Assigning numbers to a subjective judgment doesn't make it science. LeftyMom Dec 2011 #244

thank you. Warren DeMontague Dec 2011 #245

Do schools not explain how research works, or do kids not pay attention? LeftyMom Dec 2011 #248

Like I said upthread, it's by sociologists, for sociology professors, teaching sociology students Warren DeMontague Dec 2011 #249

Funny how your comments all through this thread sound almost exactly like GOP Florida Governor Rick Hissyspit Dec 2011 #255

Whatever. Sociology- which I studied in school myself- is a useful lens through which to look. Warren DeMontague Dec 2011 #293

As people have discussed in this thread, it is not completely subjective. Hissyspit Dec 2011 #253

I took a look at the methodology. LeftyMom Dec 2011 #270

Even trying to lodge that objection seems useless. People know what they know, and they're gonna be Warren DeMontague Dec 2011 #301

I have been observing this my adult life- am in my mid 50's Tumbulu Dec 2011 #250

Yes, but what happens if a child grows up with this garbage... Sarah Ibarruri Dec 2011 #257

Yes, I have a daughter who is ten and I am made crazy by it Tumbulu Dec 2011 #272

It's sad that little girls think dressing up like something out of Cosmopolitan is just fine... Sarah Ibarruri Dec 2011 #273

the parents say no. i had one mom tell me, all the girls do it, how can i say no seabeyond Dec 2011 #274

some here need help understanding the point you made getdown Dec 2011 #314

I'd venture to say that some in here get defensive every time a feminist speaks... Sarah Ibarruri Dec 2011 #319

well some women fall for it too, right? getdown Dec 2011 #320

Oh, absolutely! I call them Bobble Head Women. They nod to anything their man says Sarah Ibarruri Dec 2011 #321

Young women gain from this behavior flamingdem Dec 2011 #280

If a space alien watched TV in the US for four hours, he would conclude we sell three things.... Scuba Dec 2011 #261

EXACTLY. American TV is geared to males, and not to the wise ones, either! nt Sarah Ibarruri Dec 2011 #265

Pretty much EVERYTHING is geared toward men. And I'm one. randome Dec 2011 #268

FEMALE sexuality is being sold everywhere. nt Sarah Ibarruri Dec 2011 #269

This isn't all just geared to males. dawg Dec 2011 #287

Yes, however, this is also true: Why would a woman want to buy a product, if it weren't: Sarah Ibarruri Dec 2011 #288

This is not a surprise to me. Rex Dec 2011 #291

It sure does. Capitalism is not about love, goodness, fairness, or helping. Only $$$$$. Sarah Ibarruri Dec 2011 #292

Agree 100% Rex Dec 2011 #296

and getdown Dec 2011 #297

IMO this is why I often wonder if the "sexual revolution" was a complete disaster. Odin2005 Dec 2011 #334

misogynist "woman as virgin" meme to the equally misogynist "woman as whore" seabeyond Dec 2011 #336

that's a good answer getdown Dec 2011 #339

Yes! It went from the woman as helpless virgin, to the woman as whore Sarah Ibarruri Dec 2011 #337

And it encourages our rape culture. Odin2005 Dec 2011 #340

it seems the disconnect getdown Dec 2011 #342

Being prudish. But the problem lies with the media, TV, Hollywood, comics, videogames Sarah Ibarruri Dec 2011 #343

You're so right. Women continue to be placed in the role of either virgins or whores Sarah Ibarruri Dec 2011 #395

2 words getdown Dec 2011 #375

There's no doubt that playing whore makes money, but it sure as hell Sarah Ibarruri Dec 2011 #377

a form of pimping ensho Dec 2011 #389

Yes indeed, but all in the name of capitalism. Capitalism has no soul, and is amoral. nt Sarah Ibarruri Dec 2011 #394

K&R proverbialwisdom Dec 2011 #390

Good heavens! It's worse than I'd thought! nt Sarah Ibarruri Dec 2011 #393

The STUDY was of ROLLING STONE, IOW, the sexualization is in POP MUSIC. WinkyDink Dec 2011 #414

And you live in which country? nt Sarah Ibarruri Dec 2011 #418

and even when women aren't trying to be sexualized noamnety Dec 2011 #415

yup. so true, so true. a disgusting thread. nt seabeyond Dec 2011 #416

You're right. This isn't done only to Repuke females. It's worse with Sarah Ibarruri Dec 2011 #417