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In reply to the discussion: HOW BERNIE SANDERS IDEAS ARE WINNING IN THE TRUMP ERA [View all]synergie
(1,901 posts)even as a human who might make mistakes sometimes. He has a habit of saying things that are wrong, that are incorrect and that are offensive. But stating that is not allowed, and if one is not silenced, one is certainly attacked, and accused of being a "hater".
Both siderism doesn't work here. There should be room for discussion that doesn't involve name calling, epithets both aggressively aggressive and passively so.
I believe that the message is to blame, especially when the message is "your vote doesn't count because" [insert vague reference to rigging], [insert comments displaying ignorance about who actually runs official State elections], and that both sides are the same, regardless of what either side in question in actually stating, and what the actual facts are.
My points are indeed made by supporters of others, including Trump supporters and Stein supporters, but the validity isn't even remotely equal. Facts are facts and hiding them doesn't change that reality. This is why bothsiderism fails, anyone viewing objectively can see that it's a platitude that is rarely backed up, though the sentiment might be, the actual actions tell a different story.
We should be able to discuss, like adults, what our leaders say and handle respectful criticism of them, with emphasis on the "RESPECTFUL", but some elements have proven they literally cannot be respectful themselves of whom they attack and insist that a lack of adulation in and of itself is "disrespectful".
That's not a "both sides" thing, it's a one side thing, that's after months of most of us coming together and getting over the "sides" nonsense. I'm not saying we were perfect there was some friction, but in the past week or so, that friction has turned to flames by deliberate provocation. There is no place for that here, we have work to do, and quite a lot of actual stuff to be keeping up with, without all this distraction from forces whose sole goal is to divide and distract us.
We've got elements now pushing the "tea party of the left", attacking the party, attacking Democrats, etc. And by attacking, I mean attacking, not criticizing for constructive purposes. Where did they come from and why the sudden uptick in the inflammatory posts? They want us divided, they want us fighting among ourselves, they know how effective we are when we're not fighting the purity wars that broke out in the GOP. There are more of us, and facts, truth, reality and compassion have a "liberal" bias, their only hope is to distract and divide.