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MichaelMcGuire

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Sun Jul 1, 2012, 04:02 PM Jul 2012

British, English, Scottish - Who do you think you are? [View all]

In England, people of Pakistani origin feel more British than members of the white population, according to a new survey, whereas in Scotland a sense of British identity is much weaker.


British versus English

Britishness has been successfully promoted as an open identity that is multi-cultural and multi-ethnic - but it is important to ask why people from ethnic minorities almost never describe themselves as English. It is still perceived as an ethnic identity.

Labour leader Ed Miliband touched on this in a recent speech when he said: "We were too nervous to talk of English pride and English character. Connecting it to the kind of nationalism that left us ill at ease."

North of the border, Scottishness trumps Britishness, even among ethnic minorities.
He did not say it so bluntly, but Mr Miliband's concern is that for too long English national identity has remained the preserve of racists.

The debate is different in Scotland where British identity is much weaker than in other parts of the UK.


According to the report, if there are two persons who are exactly similar in every respect other than country of residence, then the person living in Scotland is predicted to report a Britishness score that is 1.04 points lower than a person living in London.


North of the border, Scottishness trumps Britishness, even among ethnic minorities.

Questions of identity

Professor John Curtice, from Strathclyde University, told Channel 4 News: "In Scotland, Scottishness has been sold as a multi-cultural identity and it does not have the same association with xenophobia as Englishness."

Prof John Curtice
Scotland's most prominent Asian MSP, Humza Yousaf, says that questions of identity have become more fluid and unrestricted -

"Take my own example. As an Asian Scot born in Glasgow to a father from Pakistan and a mother from Kenya, I went on to marry my wife, Gail, who is a white Scot born in England to an English father and Scottish mother.

He adds: "I would challenge anyone to accurately define the identity of any children we may have in the future. Will they be a quarter Scottish, a quarter Pakistani, a quarter English?”


http://www.channel4.com/news/british-english-scottish-who-do-you-think-you-are
https://www.iser.essex.ac.uk/2012/06/30/ethnic-minorities-living-in-the-uk-feel-more-british-than-white-britons
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If the UK votes to leave the EU, will the Scots vote to leave the UK and stay in the EU? FarCenter Jul 2012 #1
We vote in 2014, on the political union. I'm not sure Whitehall will give a vote on the EU anyway.nt MichaelMcGuire Jul 2012 #3
Cameron to face rebellion over EU plans FarCenter Jul 2012 #7
I don't follow Westminster politics too much. MichaelMcGuire Jul 2012 #10
They'd also need to vote dipsydoodle Jul 2012 #5
Shift+Alt+4 ikri Jul 2012 #8
I tried what you said dipsydoodle Jul 2012 #12
There is a magazine that is popular among the geezer set in UK called THIS ENGLAND. MADem Jul 2012 #2
I couldn't tell you, as a Scot, I'm not English. So I'll take your word for it. MichaelMcGuire Jul 2012 #6
I'm not English either....I just lived over that way and am familiar with some peculiarities of the MADem Jul 2012 #19
I could tell by the title, sounds like a play on "This is England" they don't take kindly. MichaelMcGuire Jul 2012 #22
I think it's from the Richard II speech muriel_volestrangler Jul 2012 #23
I'll give it a miss 'This England'. DC Thomson is a large publishing co it doesn't surprise. MichaelMcGuire Jul 2012 #24
Geezers ? This a geezer - dipsydoodle Jul 2012 #14
That's a scream! nt MADem Jul 2012 #18
Almost everything on the Fast Show was. dipsydoodle Jul 2012 #20
Just a shame Brits still regard them as immigrants.. HipChick Jul 2012 #4
I read somewhere that people across the UK are more open than we used to be. MichaelMcGuire Jul 2012 #11
When I think about 'British' vs 'English,' yewberry Jul 2012 #9
To me British is geographical, which has personally been superseded. MichaelMcGuire Jul 2012 #13
I agree - mr blur Jul 2012 #15
Remember, we have very different lines of sight on this. yewberry Jul 2012 #16
Its just Identity it can mean different things to different people. MichaelMcGuire Jul 2012 #17
So true. yewberry Jul 2012 #21
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