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Mike Nelson

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110. Wrong...

Mon Apr 3, 2017, 07:31 PM

Apr 2017

...respectfully disagree with Joe. The media did warp the messages, but they were clear. For example, Hillary gave many speeches targeting the voters Joe says she ignored - but the media ignored them for the latest Trump rant. The covered Hillary giving a major speech about Trump's inadequacies, but turned away if she talked about her plans. They wanted, also, to hear her talk about her use of the Clinton's email server. She could not apologize the correct way - no matter what she said... they would say she didn't use the word "sorry" so she did and then she didn't say "regret" and sorry within three words of each other... it was endless...

And, of course, she won the vote. So, Hillary's message was more popular than Trump's message.

My guess is that Joe's grief obscured some of this - and, of course, everyone thinks they could have done better; that's perfectly understandable.

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Biden: "Dems ignored middle class in 2016 campaign" [View all] FDRsGhost Apr 2017 OP

Sorry Joe. You are flat wrong. The entire campaign was about helping the 90%. bullimiami Apr 2017 #1

Yeah, that is what I say. Most of what they talked about was the middle class. Doreen Apr 2017 #57

If people didn't hear it on cable TV, then it didn't happen. lapucelle Apr 2017 #77

This was discussed earlier. {{ PROCEED WITH CAUTION }} NurseJackie Apr 2017 #2

Ahhh thanks I missed that thread. FDRsGhost Apr 2017 #4

Yes....proceed cautiously Submariner Apr 2017 #10

Why thank you FDRsGhost Apr 2017 #14

re: thought police nocalflea Apr 2017 #30

Lack of concern? synergie Apr 2017 #36

They make themselves obvious when they bracket and go bold with their threats Submariner Apr 2017 #39

Can't sow dissension if facts are allowed. synergie Apr 2017 #50

Obvious is still being obvious. nt JTFrog Apr 2017 #5

And repetitive. Squinch Apr 2017 #52

No. I love Joe, but he's wrong Bettie Apr 2017 #3

Thank you Bettie, I think I'm a lot like you and agree fully. we can do it Apr 2017 #6

This summed it up perfectly. erinlough Apr 2017 #26

I disagree to an extent FDRsGhost Apr 2017 #40

When they keep coming up with bullshit reasons Manly_Scream Apr 2017 #47

So he would have voted for a male democrat, but justnot Hillary... bettyellen Apr 2017 #59

It has nothing to do with gender FDRsGhost Apr 2017 #61

People always have excuses for their bias- he chose to believe bullshit coming from RT and Fox bettyellen Apr 2017 #66

Uh no Betty, I wasn't aware you know my cousin personally FDRsGhost Apr 2017 #69

What specific policies of OMalley's were so different? What evidence of "lying" did he actually bettyellen Apr 2017 #73

I can ask if you'd like me to FDRsGhost Apr 2017 #81

It would be interesting to dig deeper, I think. Have had the conversation with a lot of people and bettyellen Apr 2017 #85

I'll ask him today. Stay tuned. FDRsGhost Apr 2017 #87

Your cousin is the minority fun n serious Apr 2017 #108

With all due respect Joe, but that's not how I remember it. no_hypocrisy Apr 2017 #7

It is disheartening when our heroes fall for the Russian-bot talking points. nikibatts Apr 2017 #8

Want to see an interesting chart about airtime? FDRsGhost Apr 2017 #43

Maybe, because that is the largest number of voters treestar Apr 2017 #9

"They have all they need" former9thward Apr 2017 #21

They do. They have jobs, they have health coverage treestar Apr 2017 #42

My thoughts exactly.. coco22 Apr 2017 #46

Yes, but what do you expect to motivate them? Amishman Apr 2017 #93

gratitude? treestar Apr 2017 #120

That's a pretty weak sales pitch Amishman Apr 2017 #122

I don't think they are motivated by that treestar Apr 2017 #123

Well intentioned but incorrect DemocratSinceBirth Apr 2017 #11

No we didn't. We told them the truth. jrthin Apr 2017 #12

Say it ain't so, Joe! MineralMan Apr 2017 #13

I think good ole Joe is dead wrong on this one. Foamfollower Apr 2017 #15

No. She simply didn't single out the WHITE middle class. pnwmom Apr 2017 #16

I like Russian bots jpak Apr 2017 #17

Sorry but I think Biden is full of it. triron Apr 2017 #18

No Joe. That's bullshit. NT Adrahil Apr 2017 #19

Love Joe, but there is plenty of video evidence to show how wrong he is about this. nt stevenleser Apr 2017 #20

he is full of shit on this JI7 Apr 2017 #22

The media which breathlessly covered her opponents' every expulsion of GI gas synergie Apr 2017 #23

this is interesting and might be worth an OP itself. at a time when major info is coming out about JI7 Apr 2017 #24

Or ... not so weird. synergie Apr 2017 #27

The sexsim and double standards from the media exhibited during the election was obvious still_one Apr 2017 #31

Not just the media. synergie Apr 2017 #33

yes. Thank you still_one Apr 2017 #35

if they are making 90K a Year with just 2 kids, why ARen't they making it ? JI7 Apr 2017 #25

Post removed Post removed Apr 2017 #28

Wow where to even start... FDRsGhost Apr 2017 #44

I disagree with him in many ways Warpy Apr 2017 #29

The DLC... FDRsGhost Apr 2017 #45

It was disbanded as an official organization Warpy Apr 2017 #58

Prominent dems use this excuse because it's become politically improper to Jonny Appleseed Apr 2017 #32

Hillary did use them and it's one reason she gets so many attacks. people on both sides JI7 Apr 2017 #34

Look the TrumpRussia investigation is classified and for good reason. underthematrix Apr 2017 #37

I think we ignored most things other than Trump being reprehensible Sen. Walter Sobchak Apr 2017 #38

Meh - she came really close to winning. No 'numerology' involved at all muriel_volestrangler Apr 2017 #48

The worst case scenario for Obama's successor should have still been a landslide Sen. Walter Sobchak Apr 2017 #60

And yet you thought over a year ago we'd lose, when Bernie was still a possible primary winner muriel_volestrangler Apr 2017 #62

Due to alert stalkers I prefer not to mention the Senator from Vermont, Sen. Walter Sobchak Apr 2017 #63

I have no idea what purpose that question serves muriel_volestrangler Apr 2017 #64

No, I think you know exactly and just don't want to answer it. Sen. Walter Sobchak Apr 2017 #65

No, because you thought that neither Sanders nor Clinton would have won, over a year ago muriel_volestrangler Apr 2017 #67

I believed that because I suspected Clinton would be the nominee and lose. Sen. Walter Sobchak Apr 2017 #70

Obama may've done worse than Hillary, radius777 Apr 2017 #75

So Obama's sheer blackness wasn't enough for "white nationalists" to vote for McCain and Romney? Sen. Walter Sobchak Apr 2017 #91

They see Obama as a disaster and voted for the piece of shit birther JI7 Apr 2017 #68

What many fail to understand is kacekwl Apr 2017 #41

So, Clinton's campaign was perfect? I supported her but looking back there were flaws KittyWampus Apr 2017 #49

Oh, look. It's you again. Doing the same thing again. Squinch Apr 2017 #51

I thought the middle class was smarter than that. Maybe not all were. You don't vote for a bad caroldansen Apr 2017 #53

Hillary talked about the working class. Media chose to talk about emails sharedvalues Apr 2017 #54

$32,000 as a hostess!! Eko Apr 2017 #55

Biden let Republicans take over Dem states in 2010. He did nothing about it. delisen Apr 2017 #56

Good point- it's tiresome to see white men ignore their privledged position in society.... bettyellen Apr 2017 #74

Biden let the Republicans take over??? former9thward Apr 2017 #84

Tell us how Hillary stood up to Putin FDRsGhost Apr 2017 #90

This is going to sound stupid and impudent... jmowreader Apr 2017 #71

Coastal Housing Costs, Property Taxes and Private School Sen. Walter Sobchak Apr 2017 #72

College may very well factor into this equation FDRsGhost Apr 2017 #82

Biden makes it sound like ALL $92k families are on the verge of starvation jmowreader Apr 2017 #83

Well if you happen to live in Denver & have 2 kids in college FDRsGhost Apr 2017 #88

They did but the media was only interested in Trump nt doc03 Apr 2017 #76

I think a better question was "Did Hillary give the rust belt hope?" because that is the region that Quixote1818 Apr 2017 #78

Good point. I think we can win back those voters by focusing on the issues important to them. beam me up scottie Apr 2017 #79

Rick Scott gov Wisconsin elected in 2010, won recall, Wisconsin Dems delisen Apr 2017 #105

It's possible to be critical of both recent and less recent strategies - or the lack of them. beam me up scottie Apr 2017 #106

Lost because of voter suppression & propaganda not Biden's middle class analysis delisen Apr 2017 #119

they weren't voting on NAFTA since they voted in even higher numbers for pro nafta republicans JI7 Apr 2017 #86

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Yes, HUGE mistake, elleng Apr 2017 #107

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I guess so, and I agree about the on the ground people being blown off. elleng Apr 2017 #116

Right, you and Michael Moore. elleng Apr 2017 #104

The middle class was not ignored during the campaign. warmfeet Apr 2017 #80

Hillary Clinton Announces New Details of Middle Class Tax Cut Plan oberliner Apr 2017 #89

Thank you. And she had a jobs plan and health care plan also to help the middle class. n/t pnwmom Apr 2017 #92

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Insult who how? Seriously? Men feel insulted when they aren't the number one focus bettyellen Apr 2017 #96

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Your reply doesn't address how you thought she was insulting white middle class men- bettyellen Apr 2017 #98

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Didn't expect you to be so coy about this, and you're wasting my time bettyellen Apr 2017 #101

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I asked about who you felt was being insulted, and you've backed out of that and made it about bettyellen Apr 2017 #103

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Sending me be same link over and over again doesn't answer my question... bettyellen Apr 2017 #117

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+10000 betsuni Apr 2017 #121

Over 1000 Dem seats were lost between 2008 and 2016. Had nothing to do with Clinton delisen Apr 2017 #109

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Recommended. H2O Man Apr 2017 #95

Wrong... Mike Nelson Apr 2017 #110

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LMAO! beam me up scottie Apr 2017 #115