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In reply to the discussion: Biden: "Dems ignored middle class in 2016 campaign" [View all]delisen
(7,380 posts)119. Lost because of voter suppression & propaganda not Biden's middle class analysis
Failure of Democrats to deal with voter suppression, Republican and in 2016, Russian modern warfare techniques is what has lost elections since 2010.
It is comforting to some to think that the solution to the loss of over 900 Democratic seats in 6-8 years and the loss of "rust belt" states by 100,000 votes is due to failure to message to a now mythic white working class.
One of the major mistakes by self-styled progressives (I say self-styled because progressive has many different definitions) in 2016 is not acknowledging or understanding Russian warfare techniques or their own susceptibility to propaganda, and failure to address Republican propaganda on healthcare over the past six years.
It's possible to win most voters, but focusing mainly presidential politics is akin to building on sand and it produces things like the Scott Walker "miracle" - in 2010 the Democratic Party lost the governorship of Wisconsin to an anti-union regressive Republican. A man who is acknowledged to be a failure at creating jobs-yet he is re-elected. Why?
Did many in the working class vote for Trump because he was going to radically change NAFTA? Well now he is not going to make that change and I predict that his voters won't care--because that was not why they voted for him.
Joseph Biden has jumped on the anti-Russia influence bandwagon forcefully since the election but not during the election. Too little, too late.
Many who consider themselves progressive were, we now know, repeating Russian propaganda deliberately targeting them. Why were they susceptible?
Michael Moore missed the Russian interference totally. Why ? (He too has now jumped on the anti-Russia bandwagon).
Clinton, at least raised the alarm on Russia in the presidential debate-but lacked the support of Democrats who were in a position to know better.
I think it is great for some people to focus on a particular segment of the voting population-and backing for example Democratic state legislators in Wisconsin who you think can win is great.
But I think the rest us us need to face the Russian threat and the fact that the Republican Party has become not just anti-Democratic party but an anti-democracy party, which is part of an anti-democracy trend around the world.
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Sorry Joe. You are flat wrong. The entire campaign was about helping the 90%.
bullimiami
Apr 2017
#1
They make themselves obvious when they bracket and go bold with their threats
Submariner
Apr 2017
#39
People always have excuses for their bias- he chose to believe bullshit coming from RT and Fox
bettyellen
Apr 2017
#66
What specific policies of OMalley's were so different? What evidence of "lying" did he actually
bettyellen
Apr 2017
#73
It would be interesting to dig deeper, I think. Have had the conversation with a lot of people and
bettyellen
Apr 2017
#85
Love Joe, but there is plenty of video evidence to show how wrong he is about this. nt
stevenleser
Apr 2017
#20
this is interesting and might be worth an OP itself. at a time when major info is coming out about
JI7
Apr 2017
#24
The sexsim and double standards from the media exhibited during the election was obvious
still_one
Apr 2017
#31
Prominent dems use this excuse because it's become politically improper to
Jonny Appleseed
Apr 2017
#32
Hillary did use them and it's one reason she gets so many attacks. people on both sides
JI7
Apr 2017
#34
I think we ignored most things other than Trump being reprehensible
Sen. Walter Sobchak
Apr 2017
#38
Meh - she came really close to winning. No 'numerology' involved at all
muriel_volestrangler
Apr 2017
#48
The worst case scenario for Obama's successor should have still been a landslide
Sen. Walter Sobchak
Apr 2017
#60
And yet you thought over a year ago we'd lose, when Bernie was still a possible primary winner
muriel_volestrangler
Apr 2017
#62
Due to alert stalkers I prefer not to mention the Senator from Vermont,
Sen. Walter Sobchak
Apr 2017
#63
No, because you thought that neither Sanders nor Clinton would have won, over a year ago
muriel_volestrangler
Apr 2017
#67
I believed that because I suspected Clinton would be the nominee and lose.
Sen. Walter Sobchak
Apr 2017
#70
So Obama's sheer blackness wasn't enough for "white nationalists" to vote for McCain and Romney?
Sen. Walter Sobchak
Apr 2017
#91
So, Clinton's campaign was perfect? I supported her but looking back there were flaws
KittyWampus
Apr 2017
#49
I thought the middle class was smarter than that. Maybe not all were. You don't vote for a bad
caroldansen
Apr 2017
#53
Good point- it's tiresome to see white men ignore their privledged position in society....
bettyellen
Apr 2017
#74
I think a better question was "Did Hillary give the rust belt hope?" because that is the region that
Quixote1818
Apr 2017
#78
Good point. I think we can win back those voters by focusing on the issues important to them.
beam me up scottie
Apr 2017
#79
It's possible to be critical of both recent and less recent strategies - or the lack of them.
beam me up scottie
Apr 2017
#106
Lost because of voter suppression & propaganda not Biden's middle class analysis
delisen
Apr 2017
#119
they weren't voting on NAFTA since they voted in even higher numbers for pro nafta republicans
JI7
Apr 2017
#86
Thank you. And she had a jobs plan and health care plan also to help the middle class. n/t
pnwmom
Apr 2017
#92
Insult who how? Seriously? Men feel insulted when they aren't the number one focus
bettyellen
Apr 2017
#96
Your reply doesn't address how you thought she was insulting white middle class men-
bettyellen
Apr 2017
#98
I asked about who you felt was being insulted, and you've backed out of that and made it about
bettyellen
Apr 2017
#103
Over 1000 Dem seats were lost between 2008 and 2016. Had nothing to do with Clinton
delisen
Apr 2017
#109