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kctim

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179. Oh, brother

Mon Jul 2, 2012, 04:50 PM

Jul 2012

Kucinich was so far left he couldn't garner but maybe 10% of votes from Democrats.

If you left your fantasy world for a bit, you would see that in reality, there are different degrees to what people, Republican and Democrat, believe on all of the issues you bring up. There are anti-abortion Democrats and pro-abortion Republicans. There are anti government run health care Democrats and mandate friendly Republicans. Pro 2nd Amendment right Democrats and Republicans who live in fear of their 2nd Amendment right.

The fact of the matter is that you use personal opinion, not fact, to stereotype people as being "anti" whatever issue they don't agree with you in lock-step on. Pretty easy to label people negatively when you are the one defining.

Save your forgiveness for somebody insecure enough to need it. I believe people are responsible for their own actions, not some left or right wing media conspiracy.

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K & R! lonestarnot Jun 2012 #127

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! Phlem Jun 2012 #146

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