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In reply to the discussion: Dear Allies: Use WHATEVER WORKS. [View all]
hughee99
(16,113 posts)168. On the bright side, it's encouraging to see a good share of DUers stand up and speak out
on why the OP is wrong. It would have been much worse, IMHO, if all the responses were in enthusiastic, or even passive, agreement.
Even the premise is that "it works" is faulty. Is there any evidence that supports the idea that using homophobic language has changed a single person's mind about Trump? I haven't seen any.
That's not really the point, though. Even if it did change some people's minds, if you have to use homophobic language to get through to someone, you've already lost. You haven't won an ally, you've just tricked a bigot into temporarily supporting you. A week or two down the road, someone on the other side will trick them into switching back, and you will have compromised your morals and hurt or alienated a lot of people for nothing anyway.
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You are saying that dehumanizing gay people -- weaponizing them -- is okay if it works.
pnwmom
May 2017
#81
pretty much. some people will dump morality at the slightest excuse; it tells you a lot about a per
TheFrenchRazor
May 2017
#191
There's plenty of strong, profane and vulgar language that doesn't demean ourselves.
RedWedge
May 2017
#3
Awesome. It's probably best to realize that you aren't the arbiter of 'demeaning', then
LaydeeBug
May 2017
#9
Yes. The one who told me to use 'vulgar languange not demaning to ourselves'. nt
LaydeeBug
May 2017
#13
I can't figure out why the OP is so bent on being able to use certain terms, even when
RedWedge
May 2017
#57
I do not know why she is willing to sacrifice a group of allies. It's appalling. n/t
pnwmom
May 2017
#65
It can SEEM any way you want, but the TRUTH is something else. No weapons removed from
LaydeeBug
May 2017
#51
You don't get to claim the moral high ground while you're standing in quick sand
LaydeeBug
May 2017
#78
You are insisting on your right to USE a specific group of vulnerable allies in the fight.
pnwmom
May 2017
#89
More so than you are. It doesn't matter if a random gay person here or there agrees with you.
pnwmom
May 2017
#59
A-motherFUCKING-men to that. We can't *have* those small squabbles. We need to fight THEM
LaydeeBug
May 2017
#12
We will lose our own souls if we sacrifice other vulnerable people to this fight.
pnwmom
May 2017
#71
Using gay sexual acts to insult Putin and DT contributes to our cultures's homophobia,
pnwmom
May 2017
#30
That's exactly the problem- it's sexist and homophobic. I don't want to see "bitch" thrown around
bettyellen
May 2017
#169
I'm wondering if you can walk us through your reasoning, instead of just saying "nope, that's
RedWedge
May 2017
#58
What she doesn't understand is her INTENT is irrelevant.. She is USING gay slurs,
pnwmom
May 2017
#72
No, I'm insisting that you not USE gay people. Unless you have a very limited imagination
pnwmom
May 2017
#77
I don't think men are entitled to use female slurs. Women are free to, if that's what they want.
pnwmom
May 2017
#150
You are being hypocritical. If right-wingers were using the exact same language to attack
pnwmom
May 2017
#32
In my opinion it isn't possible to overdo it. Would it be okay to use racial slurs to insult them?
pnwmom
May 2017
#64
No, I strongly disagree. Anytime you use a gay-related term as a SLUR, or an attack word,
pnwmom
May 2017
#25
I'd love to know how many of the people dismissing the significance of this are gay themselves. n/t
pnwmom
May 2017
#31
I'd love to see the gay community fight *THEM* instead of complaining about *us*
LaydeeBug
May 2017
#38
You are dehumanizing gay people -- turning them into weapons -- with every use of gay slurs.
pnwmom
May 2017
#73
Exactly. She can't understand why using hate talk isn't okay. And that she's not much of an ally. nt
pnwmom
May 2017
#76
What do you lose if people ask you not to use a word that's often heard as a slur?
RedWedge
May 2017
#87
I am asking you not to become the enemy in your defense of us. But that's what you're doing.
pnwmom
May 2017
#90
I'm not. Pick any words that aren't hate speech against a group of vulnerable allies.
pnwmom
May 2017
#114
Oh wait, I've got it! To stay 'woke,' why not call the RUSSIANS racial slurs?
RedWedge
May 2017
#100
No, I'm laser-focused on the Russians here. If you can make them and their Republican supporters
RedWedge
May 2017
#109
Again with thinking it's yours to *assign*. Please, please, get off of my dick. nt
LaydeeBug
May 2017
#113
Why won't you use whatever arsenal you can to insult people? What's holding you back?
RedWedge
May 2017
#131
Why won't you stand up for yourself and refuse to be hamstrung on ALL words, not just ones that
RedWedge
May 2017
#154
Thank *YOU* KPN. Your last sentence is *truth*, and these haters are gonna hate anyway.
LaydeeBug
May 2017
#126
Meh. I don't need that language in my arsenal. I'm not interesting in subjecting
fishwax
May 2017
#132
Thank you, fishwax. That's exactly what they're doing -- making gay people collateral damage. nt
pnwmom
May 2017
#133
Yeah, if this sort of language is "what works" then that's PART OF THE PROBLEM, not a means to the
hughee99
May 2017
#146
And while some people die on that hill to use gross language at Trump and Putin
Saviolo
May 2017
#153
On the bright side, it's encouraging to see a good share of DUers stand up and speak out
hughee99
May 2017
#168
So, when racism was exploited by Democrats in order to win it was for the common good?
loyalsister
May 2017
#201