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Ninsianna

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29. I do not, and I don't think anyone who actually listened to all of her words would
Fri May 5, 2017, 03:34 AM
May 2017

think so either.

She didn't actually say that it was unimportant to Democrats, she also stated that she didn't think anyone could get an nomination if they were anti-choice. It's in the part that was snipped out, and you can hear it in the video.

The reason it was fading as an issue is that we were united on that question, until a few weeks ago, no one imagined that anyone would endorse a candidate that was proposing abortion bans. THAT is not what our party is about, it's why the outcry and the blowback was so hard and why people are still so angry at Bernie Sanders for what he said and the man he and his Revolution endorsed. That man was also pro-Keystone, and signed a letter begging for Kerry to approve it for the 30 jobs it would bring.

Her words were spun by people who didn't listen very well and who seem to enjoy attacking female Democratic leaders when they deliberately misunderstand her words.

She didn't say we should promote anti-choice ideology or candidates that sponsor bills that seek to violate women's basic human rights, or that this was okay, or that this made them "true progressives".

She said that she didn't think such people would get the nomination, but the party itself should not have purity test, from her words in the video in your link, she seems pretty confident that the voters wouldn't nominate or support such a candidate themselves.

Note that the Mello is a candidate for mayor Omaha, that's not exactly highly visible, high priority office. I wonder how many people in that city actually were paying attention to the race at all until Bernie and the Our Revolution person, who was anti-choice herself, and who felt she could overlook her own previous anti-Keystone activism to ask Bernie to come down to shine a huge spotlight onto a deeply offensive candidate whose record is worse than many Republicans.

Until people started digging into who Mello was, who knew what he was trying to legislate? I'm guessing Bernie did not, if he did and still endorsed this guy, then that's a whole lot more problematic.

I think that people who seek to push these types of candidates who violate our POLICY positions with their legislative records threaten our rights. It's why all that deflection about Manchin and Kaine were such poor arguments to excuse the endorsement of Mello, THEY never tried to propose a 20 week ban, they never tried to keep insurance from covering elective procedures, they never tried to prevent women in rural areas from accessing care via telemedicine. Mello did.

Pelsosi didn't suggest that people like Mello should be embraced, she pointed out that Democrats would raise their voices and not nominate such people. A more prominent position that would draw more attention would not have allowed a person with the legislative record of a Mello to get that far.

In the current atmosphere, women are angry, we are activated, and we're paying very close attention to which men are saying what, now that being a woman is a pre-existing condition, you can bet that people like Mello and those who are "soft" on such things as abortion, will be getting some close scrutiny.

As to the issue of Choice as a political concern, it's the dying old farts on the right who seem to still use it as a wedge issue. Catholics use contraception, they understand that pregnancies go wrong and they know the danger they're exposed to in Catholic hospitals. It's "fading" as an issue because more and more people are against the right wing movement to ban abortion, attack planned parenthood, and force pregnancies. That's why the anti-choice groups need to bus in bodies from their religious schools, with kids eager for a field trip and time off school and why those same kids don't apply those beliefs to their own bodies, and why by the time they get to college, they're no longer so interested in the "cause" that was so fun in high school.

The backlash you're seeing right now is what happens when it's assumed that women have the right to access safe, affordable abortion. We're the generation that only heard about the women dying in back allies, and who know the names and the faces of the women who are dying around the world when they're denied this access.

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