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wildeyed

(11,243 posts)
46. My guess, they are conservative on social issues, not so much on economic.
Sat May 6, 2017, 08:57 AM
May 2017

People ALWAYS vote values over economics, at least to a point. So when the Dems became the party of social change, we lost them. This is exacerbated by Fox News and gerrymandering. The general intolerance/cluelessness of many white urban Dems for groups outside of their culture does not help.

The key to getting them back is to let leaders from the area do the messaging, IMO. People here get so mad at Manchin, but he needs to convince THEM, not us, to vote for him. And we NEED his seat if we want any chance at talking the majority back. Dems are not in a position to throw that away right now.

BTW, *I* proudly vote against my own economic interest pretty much every time I vote for a Democrat. I vote to pay higher taxes even though I make more than the average amount of money. I support immigrants, POC and LGBT rights, even when it is against my own self interest. I live in Charlotte. Ask me about what the HB2 boycott does to my bottom line and if I supported continuing (spoiler: It hurt my income and I did support continuing.) All of this is against my self interest, but everyone here EXPECTS that I would do these things. Because it is part of our shared values as liberals. So why is it hard to grasp that other groups have different values and are ALSO willing to sacrifice income to support them?

I don't usually like joe Manchin but... [View all] bagelsforbreakfast May 2017 OP
His constituents are pretty dumb Proud liberal 80 May 2017 #1
'Ignorant' is better than 'dumb,' imo. elleng May 2017 #8
I would refrain from making judgmental comments about their mental capacity altogether. wildeyed May 2017 #9
Yes. elleng May 2017 #10
Absolutely. tecelote May 2017 #19
It really bothers me that they can't acknowledge Ilsa May 2017 #23
Yep. wildeyed May 2017 #26
I don't think his party affiliation is the problem . . . EffieBlack May 2017 #32
Unfortunately true loyalsister May 2017 #57
They are willfully dumb. Texin May 2017 #12
Please stay away from any you perceive as such, elleng May 2017 #14
Thank you. You speak for me as well. Amaryllis May 2017 #37
You're welcome, Amaryllis. elleng May 2017 #38
It really bothers me when people say all Trump voters are either stupid or racist. Some are, but Amaryllis May 2017 #40
Lots of the baloney 'reasons' for thus and so on this thread. elleng May 2017 #41
This has really been going on since the election, though. People who insist all Trump voters are Amaryllis May 2017 #42
its useless trying to reach these voters Proud liberal 80 May 2017 #17
They vote for Manchin. wildeyed May 2017 #22
This is from the journalist who took pictures of empty seats at Dump's latest pep rally hatrack May 2017 #43
How are comments on an online article representative of an entire state? wildeyed May 2017 #45
Did you read the whole thread? The screeching, the crazy, the rabid - 100s of posts . . . hatrack May 2017 #48
Of course I didn't read it all. wildeyed May 2017 #49
Well, you keep on "reaching out" . . . hatrack May 2017 #50
I agree EffieBlack May 2017 #33
Where's does willfully ignorant fall on the scale? BannonsLiver May 2017 #31
Repugs have spent years dumbing down public (and private) education, elleng May 2017 #39
184,000 West Virginians are projected to lose insurance if the ACA is repealed PA Democrat May 2017 #2
Hey Manchin, they'd know who got 'em ACA plans if you hadn't taken shots at it. Literally. KeepItReal May 2017 #3
Hmm...wasn't Manchin the DINO who expressed his opposition to the ACA upon taking office? regnaD kciN May 2017 #4
i don't think it's that they don't know how they got it JI7 May 2017 #5
Yeah, it's ACA.. NOT Obamacares. Cha May 2017 #30
They don't care. Pissing off "the liberals" is more important than medical care.* FenwayDonkey May 2017 #6
Nah..they'll blame Obama mountain grammy May 2017 #7
That's what they voted for. BigDemVoter May 2017 #11
That's where I am too. 47of74 May 2017 #27
This EffieBlack May 2017 #34
Exactly just what the pukes said they promised they would do it. onecaliberal May 2017 #52
Dems might have a better shot at WV soon. wildeyed May 2017 #13
and Jay Rockefeller. elleng May 2017 #15
Manchin is from there and wins. wildeyed May 2017 #16
Yes, Manchin does well there. elleng May 2017 #18
Video may not be available, but I tried: elleng May 2017 #20
Until they find out he's a Jewish Socialist EffieBlack May 2017 #35
Maybe. wildeyed May 2017 #44
They even voted for Mike Dukakis! They are not beyond our reach. Tanuki May 2017 #21
Right, not at ALL beyond our reach. elleng May 2017 #24
Is it A CHICKEN OR EGG THING? SJMULE May 2017 #25
Thank you! Staph May 2017 #28
Not calling you dumb Proud liberal 80 May 2017 #36
and Thank You, Staph k8conant May 2017 #53
God, what a breath of fresh air... thank you. SMC22307 May 2017 #54
My guess, they are conservative on social issues, not so much on economic. wildeyed May 2017 #46
Yep.. Cha May 2017 #29
so true bigtree May 2017 #47
For everyone making sweeping negative generalizations about all West Virginians... fuck off Bucky May 2017 #51
Another breath-of-fresh-air post. SMC22307 May 2017 #55
It's the fault of Obama and the Democratic Party... SMC22307 May 2017 #56
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