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That Guy 888

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24. She didn't campaign enough in the states that Obama won and she lost.

Mon May 8, 2017, 04:06 PM

May 2017

According to what I've read (non-right wing, non-russian) Clinton's campaign was chasing non-existent moderate republican votes to hit it out of the park. As per Schumer: “For every blue-collar Democrat we lose in western Pennsylvania, we will pick up two moderate Republicans in the suburbs in Philadelphia, and you can repeat that in Ohio and Illinois and Wisconsin.”

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Lecturing Clinton About 'Taking Responsibility' For Her Defeat is Bizarre - Josh Marshall [View all] DonViejo May 2017 OP

she is a woman, of course she is supposed to take on all the responsibility, and shut up. niyad May 2017 #1

Yes. Uppity women need to shut up and take it. nt DURHAM D May 2017 #2

This. Turn CO Blue May 2017 #5

Especially since McCain, Romney, etc never had to... Blue_Tires May 2017 #7

Bingo...America doesnt deserve Hillary, we didnt deserve Obama. Eliot Rosewater May 2017 #26

i agree samnsara May 2017 #28

Exactly. "Shut up" being the key phrase there. athena May 2017 #27

She didn't BEG for forgiveness NastyRiffraff May 2017 #54

and cut off all her hair. I mean, really. . . niyad May 2017 #59

Yep. And she was also told to do the same even when she WON. NYC Liberal May 2017 #60

sadly, you are absolutely correct. niyad May 2017 #61

Why does Clinton need to talk about it at all? geek tragedy May 2017 #3

I welcome her analysis. Women's voice in the public sphere delisen May 2017 #29

"those who do not learn from history are condemned to repeat it" niyad May 2017 #46

She hasn't said anything for months and comes out finally and mentions the huge elephant ... brush May 2017 #53

amen, Josh spanone May 2017 #4

Marshall shouldn't distinctly limit the Comey announcement mythology May 2017 #6

and Kerry is to blame for the Purple Heart stuff too dsc May 2017 #8

Kerry should have known that Republicans would lie about his war service delisen May 2017 #34

I agree that the Russian stuff pale in comparison to what Comey did. StevieM May 2017 #13

Hillery Clinton was ultimately responsible for her loss. That Guy 888 May 2017 #9

Miscalculating political weaknesses lies in the realm of political malpractice loyalsister May 2017 #10

Self-knowledge is difficult, and most unsuccessful campaigns are rooted in that. That Guy 888 May 2017 #15

You make many, many unsupported allegations. LanternWaste May 2017 #17

Other than my mistake re: HillEry - HillAry I have no idea what you're talking about. That Guy 888 May 2017 #22

Yes, that person makes many unsupported allegations while dismissing the one firm fact stevenleser May 2017 #49

It's not necessarily all on her loyalsister May 2017 #25

I think those people confused the publics hatred of GOP propaganda (RWNM) that attacked the Clintons That Guy 888 May 2017 #36

That confusion is really good point loyalsister May 2017 #41

Why are you comparing white men ismnotwasm May 2017 #11

None of those people were up by 8 points with 11 days to go before receiving StevieM May 2017 #12

acknowledging the effect of Comey's letter and his poor judgement... JHan May 2017 #14

Irrelevant if she had run a better campaign. Look at her record, look at his record. That Guy 888 May 2017 #16

Post hoc ergo prompter hoc. LanternWaste May 2017 #18

Interesting label, can you support it? n/t That Guy 888 May 2017 #23

You are the one who made the assertion to which we are all responding. You need to prove it. stevenleser May 2017 #48

I think she ran a good enough campaign to be up by about 8 points with 11 days to go. StevieM May 2017 #19

And she did win by more than three million murielm99 May 2017 #20

She didn't campaign enough in the states that Obama won and she lost. That Guy 888 May 2017 #24

Which is always easy to say with Monday morning quarterbacking. stevenleser May 2017 #47

See JHan's #14 nt stevenleser May 2017 #50

Nah, she got 3m more votes. Comey and repugs cheated. I know it's hard for you, but just admit it. brush May 2017 #55

Except she did run a good campaign, with an excellent message obamanut2012 May 2017 #56

It a new world with new rules. Men may cave but women don't. delisen May 2017 #35

It's not about caving - the impression I have is that Clinton feels she made no mistakes. That Guy 888 May 2017 #38

Thanks for explaining. I haven't heard all that in what she said. delisen May 2017 #40

I know I'm wrong on this, but I really wish someone in our gov't had been willing That Guy 888 May 2017 #43

yawn obamanut2012 May 2017 #57

I don't know why anybody would work so hard to legitimize Trump standingtall May 2017 #21

It's more about not repeating the same mistakes in 2020 - like wasting time trying to woo That Guy 888 May 2017 #30

based on your posts thus far, for you, it's about blaming her and blaming her alone. JHan May 2017 #39

We see things differently. That Guy 888 May 2017 #42

Right, we're reading what you wrote. You are claiming you didnt write it. nt stevenleser May 2017 #51

Yup obamanut2012 May 2017 #58

Lecturing Clinton About 'Taking Responsibility' For Her Defeat: musette_sf May 2017 #31

Good points treestar May 2017 #32

Josh Marshall is right Progressive dog May 2017 #33

where the media fails is.......... Takket May 2017 #37

No one expected Al Gore to apologize, and no one lectured him about winning even less than she did. ehrnst May 2017 #44

Translation: Nonhlanhla May 2017 #45

I agree with Josh Marshall Gothmog May 2017 #52