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loyalsister

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41. That confusion is really good point

Mon May 8, 2017, 08:51 PM

May 2017

I talked to people who didn't feel economic love in the 90s or during Obama's administration. Some went to college wound up stuck managing a fast food restaurant or some other low paying job. They were still struggling with student loan payments.
Unable to send their kids to college, they now have adult kids children are having trouble feeding their own kids. The common denominator in their economic nightmares was not going to get their vote.

I keep hearing the voice of Jerry Seinfeld's mother. "Who doesn't like you? How could anyone not like you?"

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Lecturing Clinton About 'Taking Responsibility' For Her Defeat is Bizarre - Josh Marshall [View all] DonViejo May 2017 OP

she is a woman, of course she is supposed to take on all the responsibility, and shut up. niyad May 2017 #1

Yes. Uppity women need to shut up and take it. nt DURHAM D May 2017 #2

This. Turn CO Blue May 2017 #5

Especially since McCain, Romney, etc never had to... Blue_Tires May 2017 #7

Bingo...America doesnt deserve Hillary, we didnt deserve Obama. Eliot Rosewater May 2017 #26

i agree samnsara May 2017 #28

Exactly. "Shut up" being the key phrase there. athena May 2017 #27

She didn't BEG for forgiveness NastyRiffraff May 2017 #54

and cut off all her hair. I mean, really. . . niyad May 2017 #59

Yep. And she was also told to do the same even when she WON. NYC Liberal May 2017 #60

sadly, you are absolutely correct. niyad May 2017 #61

Why does Clinton need to talk about it at all? geek tragedy May 2017 #3

I welcome her analysis. Women's voice in the public sphere delisen May 2017 #29

"those who do not learn from history are condemned to repeat it" niyad May 2017 #46

She hasn't said anything for months and comes out finally and mentions the huge elephant ... brush May 2017 #53

amen, Josh spanone May 2017 #4

Marshall shouldn't distinctly limit the Comey announcement mythology May 2017 #6

and Kerry is to blame for the Purple Heart stuff too dsc May 2017 #8

Kerry should have known that Republicans would lie about his war service delisen May 2017 #34

I agree that the Russian stuff pale in comparison to what Comey did. StevieM May 2017 #13

Hillery Clinton was ultimately responsible for her loss. That Guy 888 May 2017 #9

Miscalculating political weaknesses lies in the realm of political malpractice loyalsister May 2017 #10

Self-knowledge is difficult, and most unsuccessful campaigns are rooted in that. That Guy 888 May 2017 #15

You make many, many unsupported allegations. LanternWaste May 2017 #17

Other than my mistake re: HillEry - HillAry I have no idea what you're talking about. That Guy 888 May 2017 #22

Yes, that person makes many unsupported allegations while dismissing the one firm fact stevenleser May 2017 #49

It's not necessarily all on her loyalsister May 2017 #25

I think those people confused the publics hatred of GOP propaganda (RWNM) that attacked the Clintons That Guy 888 May 2017 #36

That confusion is really good point loyalsister May 2017 #41

Why are you comparing white men ismnotwasm May 2017 #11

None of those people were up by 8 points with 11 days to go before receiving StevieM May 2017 #12

acknowledging the effect of Comey's letter and his poor judgement... JHan May 2017 #14

Irrelevant if she had run a better campaign. Look at her record, look at his record. That Guy 888 May 2017 #16

Post hoc ergo prompter hoc. LanternWaste May 2017 #18

Interesting label, can you support it? n/t That Guy 888 May 2017 #23

You are the one who made the assertion to which we are all responding. You need to prove it. stevenleser May 2017 #48

I think she ran a good enough campaign to be up by about 8 points with 11 days to go. StevieM May 2017 #19

And she did win by more than three million murielm99 May 2017 #20

She didn't campaign enough in the states that Obama won and she lost. That Guy 888 May 2017 #24

Which is always easy to say with Monday morning quarterbacking. stevenleser May 2017 #47

See JHan's #14 nt stevenleser May 2017 #50

Nah, she got 3m more votes. Comey and repugs cheated. I know it's hard for you, but just admit it. brush May 2017 #55

Except she did run a good campaign, with an excellent message obamanut2012 May 2017 #56

It a new world with new rules. Men may cave but women don't. delisen May 2017 #35

It's not about caving - the impression I have is that Clinton feels she made no mistakes. That Guy 888 May 2017 #38

Thanks for explaining. I haven't heard all that in what she said. delisen May 2017 #40

I know I'm wrong on this, but I really wish someone in our gov't had been willing That Guy 888 May 2017 #43

yawn obamanut2012 May 2017 #57

I don't know why anybody would work so hard to legitimize Trump standingtall May 2017 #21

It's more about not repeating the same mistakes in 2020 - like wasting time trying to woo That Guy 888 May 2017 #30

based on your posts thus far, for you, it's about blaming her and blaming her alone. JHan May 2017 #39

We see things differently. That Guy 888 May 2017 #42

Right, we're reading what you wrote. You are claiming you didnt write it. nt stevenleser May 2017 #51

Yup obamanut2012 May 2017 #58

Lecturing Clinton About 'Taking Responsibility' For Her Defeat: musette_sf May 2017 #31

Good points treestar May 2017 #32

Josh Marshall is right Progressive dog May 2017 #33

where the media fails is.......... Takket May 2017 #37

No one expected Al Gore to apologize, and no one lectured him about winning even less than she did. ehrnst May 2017 #44

Translation: Nonhlanhla May 2017 #45

I agree with Josh Marshall Gothmog May 2017 #52