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In reply to the discussion: David Frum: "It's a coup." [View all]DeminPennswoods
(17,479 posts)31. Here's some relevent info from the New Yorker
Link: http://www.newyorker.com/magazine/2017/05/08/how-trump-could-get-fired
By far the most valuable lessons about impeachment come from Richard Nixon. In 1974, Nixon resigned shortly before he could be impeached, but his misjudgmentspolitical, psychological, and legalhave illuminated the risks to Presidents ever since. In 1972, Nixons White House oversaw the bugging of the Democratic National Committee offices at the Watergate complex and the ensuing coverup. That was illegal and unethical, but it did not guarantee Nixons downfall, which came about because of two critical mistakes.
First, when the scandal emerged, the President underestimated the threat. There were any number of steps that could have made it go away, Evan Thomas, the author of Being Nixon, told me. They could have cleaned house and fired people. But Nixon assumed that his supporters would never believe the accusations. He was ahead by thirty-four points in the polls in August, 1972, Thomas went on. He could have taken his clothes off and run around the White House front yard and he was going to win reëlection.
As the scandal ground on, Nixon made his second mistake: he flouted the authority of a coequal branch of government. In October, 1973, Nixon refused to obey a federal appellate-court ruling that ordered him to turn over tapes of conversations in the Oval Office, and he forced out the investigations special prosecutor, Archibald Cox. For nine months, Nixon continued to resistin effect threatening the basic constitutional systemuntil, in July, 1974, the Supreme Court ruled that he had to comply. By then, the damage was done, and the House Judiciary Committee launched impeachment hearings. By thwarting other branches, Nixon weakened his support in Congress and convinced the country that he had something to hide. Until that point, much of the public had not focussed on the slow, complex investigation, but interviews at the time show that Nixons stonewalling made people pay attention, and he never recovered. Well, everything has added up to his incompetence over the last few months, and I dont think the American people should stand for it any longer, a woman interviewed in New York by the Associated Press said. In fact, I just signed an impeach petition.
By August, many of his top aides had been indicted, and polls showed that fifty-seven per cent of the public believed that Nixon should be removed from office. On August 6th, after a tape recording surfaced which captured him orchestrating the coverup, he was abandoned by Republicans who had previously derided the Watergate scandal as a witch hunt. Senator Barry Goldwater, of Arizona, told colleagues, Nixon should get his ass out of the White Housetoday! On August 9th, Nixon sent a letter to Secretary of State Henry Kissinger: Dear Mr. Secretary, I hereby resign the Office of President of the United States. Sincerely, Richard Nixon.
First, when the scandal emerged, the President underestimated the threat. There were any number of steps that could have made it go away, Evan Thomas, the author of Being Nixon, told me. They could have cleaned house and fired people. But Nixon assumed that his supporters would never believe the accusations. He was ahead by thirty-four points in the polls in August, 1972, Thomas went on. He could have taken his clothes off and run around the White House front yard and he was going to win reëlection.
As the scandal ground on, Nixon made his second mistake: he flouted the authority of a coequal branch of government. In October, 1973, Nixon refused to obey a federal appellate-court ruling that ordered him to turn over tapes of conversations in the Oval Office, and he forced out the investigations special prosecutor, Archibald Cox. For nine months, Nixon continued to resistin effect threatening the basic constitutional systemuntil, in July, 1974, the Supreme Court ruled that he had to comply. By then, the damage was done, and the House Judiciary Committee launched impeachment hearings. By thwarting other branches, Nixon weakened his support in Congress and convinced the country that he had something to hide. Until that point, much of the public had not focussed on the slow, complex investigation, but interviews at the time show that Nixons stonewalling made people pay attention, and he never recovered. Well, everything has added up to his incompetence over the last few months, and I dont think the American people should stand for it any longer, a woman interviewed in New York by the Associated Press said. In fact, I just signed an impeach petition.
By August, many of his top aides had been indicted, and polls showed that fifty-seven per cent of the public believed that Nixon should be removed from office. On August 6th, after a tape recording surfaced which captured him orchestrating the coverup, he was abandoned by Republicans who had previously derided the Watergate scandal as a witch hunt. Senator Barry Goldwater, of Arizona, told colleagues, Nixon should get his ass out of the White Housetoday! On August 9th, Nixon sent a letter to Secretary of State Henry Kissinger: Dear Mr. Secretary, I hereby resign the Office of President of the United States. Sincerely, Richard Nixon.
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Yes. Nixon's Saturday Night Massacre backfired on him. He went down. Emboldened the investigation.
Bernardo de La Paz
May 2017
#5
Yes. Got put pressure on Republicon members to smell tRump's toxic fumes and cough. Repeatedly. . nt
Bernardo de La Paz
May 2017
#16
Yup. Chao was a payoff. McCONnell is complicit & will not hurt a hair on tRump ass. . . nt
Bernardo de La Paz
May 2017
#36
WH stupid enough to believe Dems stupid enough to believe Comey fired for being too hard on Hillary.
Bernardo de La Paz
May 2017
#28
The success of this attempted coup will depend on whether the Senate realizes it's a co-equal branch
Hekate
May 2017
#10
Good thing Trump didnt lie about sex. Then the GOP would have to do something.
L. Coyote
May 2017
#20
But initially the GOPers defended Nixon and tried to downplay Watergate
The Velveteen Ocelot
May 2017
#26