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TreasonousBastard

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58. Infinitely worse. I'm going to get into trouble again seeming to defend Nixon, but...

Wed May 10, 2017, 01:10 PM

May 2017

for all of his faults, he was not a self-interested traitor using the office for personal gain.

Nixon truly believed he was working in the interest of the nation. He opened China and proposed universal health care. He gave us the EPA. Does that make up for the rest of it? Probably not, but he was a complex crook with a tragic flaw. Many tragic flaws.

Watergate was just a stupid petty crime he tried to cover up.

Trump has no interest in the nation at all. He is a carnival barker and flim-flam man with absolutely no interests but his own. The Presidency is not service to the nation as it has been for every one of his predecessors, but merely a way to put his name on more projects.

Trump's dealings are not simply crooked election business, but possibly treason-- selling the country out to Russia.

We have never seen this before.

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Simple question: Is this crisis worse than Watergate? [View all] kentuck May 2017 OP

Yes we had the Congress back then. Demsrule86 May 2017 #1

TTBOOK, Nixon did not conspire with an adversary to steal the Executive branch! L. Coyote May 2017 #55

Nixon had all sorts of things he wanted to do ...we dodge a bullet...but nothing he actually Demsrule86 May 2017 #57

Exponentially so....nt 2naSalit May 2017 #2

This Cosmocat May 2017 #8

Yes, Nixon was a paranoid crook. lapfog_1 May 2017 #3

Way worse Johnny2X2X May 2017 #4

YEP Cosmocat May 2017 #9

Yes! nt frogmarch May 2017 #23

Agreed. I was 18 then and it's still in accessible memory banks. Kittycow May 2017 #29

I think it is... Wounded Bear May 2017 #5

Most definitely! redwitch May 2017 #6

But not nearly as bad as a blowjob in the Oval Office. Orrex May 2017 #7

Or the proverbial... 2naSalit May 2017 #14

Absolutely. PoindexterOglethorpe May 2017 #10

The New York Times scooped the Post on occasion. mahatmakanejeeves May 2017 #26

No, never got to the garage. PoindexterOglethorpe May 2017 #38

Yes it is much worse. gademocrat7 May 2017 #11

Yes. hamsterjill May 2017 #12

There's nobody to save us. Kittycow May 2017 #34

Yes zipplewrath May 2017 #13

Yes. WhiteTara May 2017 #15

far, far worse. mopinko May 2017 #16

Exactly The Blue Flower May 2017 #61

There is no doubt. dalton99a May 2017 #17

In my estimation yes Proud Liberal Dem May 2017 #18

it's an abomination of it's own scale. spanone May 2017 #19

We don't know yet. The Velveteen Ocelot May 2017 #20

Also worth noting Kentonio May 2017 #25

We DO know. WinkyDink May 2017 #50

No, we don't even know if there is an issue, we think so, but..... CK_John May 2017 #21

You're kidding, right?! Flynn's ADMITTED to being a foreign agent. Manafort WinkyDink May 2017 #49

Speak for yourself- I trust DiFi, Waters and that Stuart Smalley and not Kellyanne or Spicer. bettyellen May 2017 #62

Yes. The crime is worse - and we obviously have less means today to remove this criminal President. ElementaryPenguin May 2017 #22

Simple Answer: yes. Exponentially so. nt SticksnStones May 2017 #24

YES!!!! Doreen May 2017 #27

I wasn't alive during Watergate but it seems worse. nycbos May 2017 #28

Much much worse msdogi May 2017 #30

Welcome to DU wryter2000 May 2017 #73

I think so JustAnotherGen May 2017 #31

Damn right it is and we need to do something about it! democratisphere May 2017 #32

yes, much larger if you confine attention to "Watergate" itself jberryhill May 2017 #33

M.U.C.H. FiveGoodMen May 2017 #35

I wonder if Weather Underground -types and other Kittycow May 2017 #40

The 60s are over. The current "subversives" are in our Executive branch. WinkyDink May 2017 #45

So this generation just lets it go by? Kittycow May 2017 #47

Then you are confusing protests with anarchic violence. WinkyDink May 2017 #52

I think I have them lumped together. Kittycow May 2017 #54

I think that whoever has the big weapons on their side wins, these days FiveGoodMen May 2017 #68

That makes sense. Kittycow May 2017 #69

No need to be sorry. FiveGoodMen May 2017 #76

I hope the same. Kittycow May 2017 #80

This message was self-deleted by its author Kittycow May 2017 #36

Definitely Jarqui May 2017 #37

Way worse - the whole damn party is in on it. Initech May 2017 #39

But my mom said trump was redeemable. Kittycow May 2017 #46

Treason? A coup by a foreign enemy? Why is this even a question? WinkyDink May 2017 #41

Yes, for the reasons you cite. yardwork May 2017 #42

Yes. tallahasseedem May 2017 #43

It's numerous orders of magnitude worse. GoCubsGo May 2017 #44

Yes infinitely worse workinclasszero May 2017 #48

I also followed Watergate closely. Probably still have some of the newspapers. Trump. Is. Worse. nt Hekate May 2017 #51

Thank you. Boomers are good for something: We lived through interesting WinkyDink May 2017 #53

I was glued to the Watergate hearings, paid attention to every detail. WA POst too. L. Coyote May 2017 #56

Infinitely worse. I'm going to get into trouble again seeming to defend Nixon, but... TreasonousBastard May 2017 #58

I agree LeftInTX May 2017 #107

This is much much worse. old guy May 2017 #59

Worse than Watergate? I would say... yuiyoshida May 2017 #60

IL drumpf has already begun the process of destruction The Blue Flower May 2017 #63

Most diehard Republicans now see nothing wrong with what Nixon did. Oneironaut May 2017 #64

YES, because it involves TREASON Martin Eden May 2017 #65

Here is one reason Russiagate is worse than Watergate workinclasszero May 2017 #66

If congress fails to act it is bighart May 2017 #67

Two orders of magnitude worse madokie May 2017 #70

Yes mcar May 2017 #71

The underlying crime is far, far worse than Watergate wryter2000 May 2017 #72

Yes. The White House occupant is a lot crazier. (nt) Paladin May 2017 #74

Don't know yet. We didn't know how "worse" Watergate was at first, either. TygrBright May 2017 #75

I think it's far worse. LisaM May 2017 #77

I remember the Saturday Night Massacre in 73. Koch Ebola May 2017 #78

Without a doubt! BlueJac May 2017 #79

Much worse. Nixon was going to win handily and did not sell out to foreign adversary. . . nt Bernardo de La Paz May 2017 #81

Message deleted by DU the Administrators redstatebluegirl May 2017 #82

Yes. Five reasons. CanonRay May 2017 #83

Watergate was about interfering in the election Voltaire2 May 2017 #110

Yes, but it had little or no impact CanonRay May 2017 #111

The Nixon administration used the executive Voltaire2 May 2017 #112

We survived Nixon and Watergate. Not so sure we will survive this with a GOP Congress world wide wally May 2017 #84

two reasons... Javaman May 2017 #85

Yes, Watergate was straight up dirty partisan politics. This appears to be treason for hire. OregonBlue May 2017 #86

Yes. This President has no sense of decency. ginnyinWI May 2017 #87

IMO, yes. Because the admin. may be a puppet admin. for an enemy foreign nation. Honeycombe8 May 2017 #88

No question. volstork May 2017 #89

Yes radical noodle May 2017 #90

Yes, it is. LudwigPastorius May 2017 #91

Yes LVNVblue May 2017 #92

that's almost a rhetorical question mnmoderatedem May 2017 #93

Order of magnitude worse. byronius May 2017 #94

No...Trump is not Nixon.... Sancho May 2017 #95

It is, because back then Bettie May 2017 #96

And it's another Republican created crisis. ffr May 2017 #97

I think so because of Congress being so divided lunatica May 2017 #98

Yes. Watergate was a 3rd rate burglary & its coverup. This is treason & the security of our catbyte May 2017 #99

Back when GOP feared an insurgent liberal from a small state IronLionZion May 2017 #100

Yes Moral Compass May 2017 #101

yes MFM008 May 2017 #102

Yes Auggie May 2017 #103

Yes both the crimes and the GOP is putting Party before country. That Guy 888 May 2017 #104

That isn't a "simple" question. onenote May 2017 #105

It's much worse, because it involves foreign collusion with an avowed enemy. Texin May 2017 #106

Underlying crime is worse DeminPennswoods May 2017 #108

Simple answer: Yes. tavalon May 2017 #109