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guillaumeb

(42,649 posts)
Wed May 10, 2017, 07:15 PM May 2017

Is calling people "far left idiots" a way to promote dialogue? [View all]

I am a Sanders supporter, and I find the "blame Bernie" or "blame the far left" or "blame Jill Stein" posts to be far too simplistic.

In all of the finger pointing, any argument must take note of the following tiny factors:

1) Systematic GOP voter suppression. Think Interstate Cross check, think voter ID suppression, think closing polling places, think endless GOP schemes to make voting difficult.

2) A conservative corporate media that dominates and frames the debate.

3) GOP gerrymandering that nearly insures continued GOP dominance.

4) Talk radio. Nearly all conservative.

So when we talk about why the GOP won the Electoral College, it helps to remember the real reasons rather than attempting to blame the nearly non-existent far left.

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idiots is a terrible word djsunyc May 2017 #1
And many people are guilty of not focusing on the real reasons guillaumeb May 2017 #3
3rd party assholes who LIE to get the Voters sucked Cha May 2017 #12
In my view, Jill Stein is a self-promoter. guillaumeb May 2017 #13
pawn for putin, stein, LIED her damn head Off to get suckers Cha May 2017 #14
True, or at least arguably so. guillaumeb May 2017 #18
Who the hell said she did.. stein FUBARED Enough Cha May 2017 #26
Sorry- there is no defense for a supposed "progressive" who votes for Stein redstateblues May 2017 #32
Exactly. Cha May 2017 #37
Why so hostile? melman May 2017 #53
LOL NurseJackie May 2017 #54
Yeah, why have any animosity toward jill ratfucker stein? Cha May 2017 #63
Why do you need to ask? Cha May 2017 #62
Just as I thought melman May 2017 #64
Right.. Just as you "thought". lol Cha May 2017 #65
Who specifically is arguing Stein removed voters from the rolls? LanternWaste May 2017 #72
Stein and the JPR idiots did swing enough votes to potentially affect the POTUS race Gothmog May 2017 #81
Gerrymandering is one aspect of the GOP playbook. guillaumeb May 2017 #85
Gerrymandering was not a part of the POTUS race where Stein and the BOB had their main effect Gothmog May 2017 #87
Everytime I see that pic of Flynn at Putin's dinner table..STEIN is there. mhw May 2017 #107
Alt left. nt LexVegas May 2017 #2
Nailed it! nt Kahuna7 May 2017 #68
Certainly not idiots. Intelligent, gullible purists maybe but not idiots. n/t CincyDem May 2017 #4
Again, too simple and ignores the real reasons. guillaumeb May 2017 #5
Think You're Missing A Factor In Your Summary ProfessorGAC May 2017 #70
Agreed with your last point. eom guillaumeb May 2017 #84
I think the "far left" were really right wing trolls tenderfoot May 2017 #6
Apparently quite a few think so... WoonTars May 2017 #7
Agreed. guillaumeb May 2017 #8
...and that was his biggest failing...treating them like responsible adults... WoonTars May 2017 #10
You left out "in my opinion" SticksnStones May 2017 #73
What did Obama call them? Historic NY May 2017 #9
I am uncertain of your question. eom guillaumeb May 2017 #11
What did Rahm call them? bahrbearian May 2017 #24
Sorry, if you're on the left and voted for Stein, you're an idiot. NewDealProgressive May 2017 #15
But the main reason that Trump won the Electoral College guillaumeb May 2017 #19
Jill Stein was part of it. Bradical79 May 2017 #86
No, it's pushed by our enemies and useful D-Krugerians who haven't clued in... Shandris May 2017 #16
So those of us who felt that BoB or Jill Stein supporters helped to hurt our chances wasupaloopa May 2017 #17
Allow me to respond: guillaumeb May 2017 #21
It is all our responsibility to vote. wasupaloopa May 2017 #60
I agree with you. Voter suppression exists, but can be overcome. Blue_true May 2017 #110
you are right I think wasupaloopa May 2017 #111
And you left out the #1 reason...Racism countryjake May 2017 #20
Great point. guillaumeb May 2017 #22
This WellDarn May 2017 #25
But stein had a right to LIE her damn head off about Cha May 2017 #27
Lying in politics? ZX86 May 2017 #44
jstein's a fucking 3rd party LIAR.. fucking Pawn for Putin. Cha May 2017 #61
But she snookered lefties to accept those lies- that's the issue. They gave the media a sideshow and bettyellen May 2017 #90
I might have said this already WellDarn May 2017 #41
Welcome to DU! countryjake May 2017 #51
There's pretty much no doubt WellDarn May 2017 #23
Exactly. And welcome to DU. guillaumeb May 2017 #28
You sure have shown a lot of concern for those who rat-fucked us. JTFrog May 2017 #35
1% WellDarn May 2017 #43
Gee thanks for your permission. JTFrog May 2017 #49
This is really sad WellDarn May 2017 #71
... NurseJackie May 2017 #77
Some people ONLY show up to DU to try and pick fights with other people. Warren DeMontague May 2017 #29
It does seem that way. guillaumeb May 2017 #31
Here's a big story many seem to have missed: Warren DeMontague May 2017 #34
Major major story WellDarn May 2017 #45
It's a failed strategy if you want to win elections. ZX86 May 2017 #30
Agreed. It is inspiring people with a message, guillaumeb May 2017 #33
That's how Obama won. ZX86 May 2017 #50
Not only 'simplistic,' but also elleng May 2017 #36
As if the far-left were ever a factor in US politics. eom guillaumeb May 2017 #40
Oh THAT TOO! elleng May 2017 #42
Continuing to defend Jill Stein doesn't do much to promote dialog. The_Casual_Observer May 2017 #38
I have never personally defended Stein. guillaumeb May 2017 #39
If you are not WellDarn May 2017 #48
Every factor on your list has been discussed many times. brer cat May 2017 #46
Not really, but the far left idiots aren't worth attempting to have a dialogue with. Foamfollower May 2017 #47
I didn't see any blaming Bernie BainsBane May 2017 #52
+100000000 betsuni May 2017 #55
+1 uponit7771 May 2017 #57
Well said. JHan May 2017 #59
Mic drop. nt JTFrog May 2017 #66
+1000 Starry Messenger May 2017 #83
So lifelong Democrats who voted twice for Obama and then for Trump are white nationalists? YoungDemCA May 2017 #89
My post was not directed against the Trump voters, guillaumeb May 2017 #91
Trump won by two votes per precinct in Michigan BainsBane May 2017 #94
And she lost by similar numbers in WI and Penn Volstagg May 2017 #96
She actually did go to many of those states BainsBane May 2017 #100
Of course voters are responsible, too Volstagg May 2017 #103
And those 2 votes could have been supressed by the GOP. guillaumeb May 2017 #98
Bill Maher was absolutely right about what far left idiots should do with organically grown betsuni May 2017 #56
There is no 'far left' in the Democratic party. nt William769 May 2017 #58
No. There are moderates of many variations. guillaumeb May 2017 #92
I don't like the term "far left" because.... MountCleaners May 2017 #67
There are some who have witnessed the term Centrist Democrat become a slur SticksnStones May 2017 #74
Agreed that it is a way of shutting off debate and silencing people. guillaumeb May 2017 #93
Well there are those who wish to be divisive n2doc May 2017 #69
If they are so non-existent, why is there such an effort to defend them? JTFrog May 2017 #75
i think it was a little of everything okieinpain May 2017 #76
With all that you have written...the fact remains had Hillary Demsrule86 May 2017 #78
Jill Stein and her supporters deserve mocking. hrmjustin May 2017 #79
Stein and the BOB idiots did help elect trump Gothmog May 2017 #80
It is when it's apt... Blue_Tires May 2017 #82
Dialog with any set of extremists too often devolves down into LanternWaste May 2017 #88
No jalan48 May 2017 #95
It isn't meant to promote dialogue. stranger81 May 2017 #97
This probably applies to a few people. guillaumeb May 2017 #99
I wholeheartedly agree. [n/t] stranger81 May 2017 #101
My world view will magically save us all, if only all you heathens would just believe what I do. Thomas Hurt May 2017 #102
If only you had said this earlier. guillaumeb May 2017 #104
So why aren't Bernie Sanders and Jill Stein talking about those issues? dansolo May 2017 #105
I remember Jonathan Alter dissing "Fire breathing liberals" Tursiops May 2017 #106
I seriously hate people that let their "principles" get in the way of the greater good. Blue_true May 2017 #108
Obama won despite all the conservative dirty tricks listed... brooklynite May 2017 #109
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